Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“In the beginning God Created..”

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
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Moral God?
Read the Bible
When a person reads declarations like this, they must always keep in mind that to a zealous Christian, all other belief systems are false by definition.
Nothing moral exists outside of the theological cocoon Christians reside in.
So of course, when these zealots speak of a "belief in and love for God", it must be the Bible God and no other. In other words, unless you believe in and love the Bible God, you can never be "totally" moral.
There are many examples of God's "morals" which are anything but moral according to modern "civilized" societies.
Perhaps the most obvious example of God's questionable morals can be found regarding the issue of slavery.
The Bible God endorsed slavery. That's a fact according to the Bible. Christians however, don't like this to be pointed out about their God so they'll attempt to dilute this ugly fact by claiming that God simply "tolerated" slavery but never endorsed it.
A few quotes from the Bible dissolve this cozy notion and rather lame attempt to wash God's hands of this ugly doctrine.
The Bible God gave instructions on how his chosen people should wage war against their various neighbors:
Deut 20:10-11
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries(forced laborers) unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
Notice that if the people of the attacked city accept the "offer of peace" they will become slaves of God's chosen people. Forced labor is slavery.
Deut 20:12-16
And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
Notice that God instructs his people to completely annihilate nearby nations, killing anything that "breathes", while nations further outside an immediate zone of holiness will have their men killed, their women, children, livestock and everything else taken as plunder by God's chosen people.
Does any of this actually sound "moral" ? This is the same Bible God which Christians say that society must believe in and love in order to have a totally moral society.
Are slavery and mass genocide "moral" just because this deity commanded it?
Read the Bible... It is obvious you enjoy scant knowledge of its contents.
we to believe these are your words and not from an Atheist web site?

I find it so odd that if a Christian goes to a Christian site and repost something already in print. The Atheist cast repulsive comments for such action.

You have also failed to list your source which can be found. This is plagiarism, my good Atheist friend. It is taking what someone else owns and claiming it for yourself.

These are not your arguments but repost from off the shelf Atheist web sites. I would challenge you to come up with your own words and research.

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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I don't know this goon guy you're talking about.
BLACKLAGOON!

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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I have been meaning to ask you something, Dave.
Are you getting your Rocky Mountain high?
Do you have a dispensary nearby?
That is something I gave up a long time ago.

It will be a while before it gets out to the hinterlands here.

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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For shame, Eagle.
Look at the mess you have made of the English language, and weep.
LMAO, ROFL!!!

This is why you're the best!

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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I'll say it in a way. That you perhaps. May understand me. That your first name was l, not m. Is what I thought.
By the way, you make scrolling easy.
He's giving Bob a run for his money.

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Lol!
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Yh, u just keep LOLing! Tide is coming for u, so wave bye-bye, u gonna be swept away!

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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I find it so odd that if a Christian goes to a Christian site and repost something already in print.
One thing is certain.

Nobody could accuse you of plagiarizing from a website.

Why, you may ask?

I'll tell you why.

The content of the sites is contained in complete sentences.

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
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BLACKLAGOON!
REDSEA!
YELLOWRIVER!

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#150508
Jan 27, 2013
 
Do you pay royalties to the apologetics you steal from word for word?

Hey do Shock of God next or that creepy dude with a sheet of paper and a pen who draws a circle that represents all the knowledge in the universe and then wants you to use the pen to fill in the amount of knowledge we have of everything and then gasp and say but look at all that open space! Isn't it possible that god is somewhere in that?

I mean the, limited knowledge argument will just get you laughed at by people of reason but hey maybe you take requests for your future humiliation?

You were going to use this yes? Wow Isaiah 13:16 dash their infants to pieces, next rob their house and lastly rape their grieving wife crying for the loss of her infant before killing her to. Goodness that one scripture speaks volumes about your god's absolute morality yes?

In that it's absolutely barbaric.

Thankfully as a society we have progressed beyond the musings of the bible into a more progressive, secular, humanist society.
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Your erudite refutations tend to be a little bit arbitrary.:-)

“ecrasez l'infame”

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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we to believe these are your words and not from an Atheist web site?
I find it so odd that if a Christian goes to a Christian site and repost something already in print. The Atheist cast repulsive comments for such action.
You have also failed to list your source which can be found. This is plagiarism, my good Atheist friend. It is taking what someone else owns and claiming it for yourself.
These are not your arguments but repost from off the shelf Atheist web sites. I would challenge you to come up with your own words and research.
This was apparently taken from the "Agnostic Review of Christianity" web site, which should have been properly cited.(took less than 10 sec. to find via Google)

But, now that you've attacked the person for posting without proper citation, why don't you try to actually address the content of his post.

Or is that too hard?

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Jan 27, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
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He's giving Bob a run for his money.
Shhhh.

Don't encourage Bob.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Thanks.
And I'm glad that you appreciate pugs. I have a puggle - half pug, half beagle.
Ahhhh.... Pugs are a grand breed! I have my 2nd Pug now, a black male, and he lights up my life :)

They are also a very old dog, been around since 450 BC and bred as lapdogs for the Emperor's of China. The little wrinkle in their forehead is as close as they could get to the Chinese symbol for Prince. Glad that the wrinkle hasn't evolved away, it is very cute.

Just Googled Puggle and they are very cute :)

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

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Jan 27, 2013
 
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That is correct, but my eyes and ears are wide open. Maybe today.
Perhaps you have experienced amazing coincidences or deja vu?

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#150513
Jan 27, 2013
 
So an Arab yonder converted your dad into being a Christian?

Daffy we all know you made it up ok? You lied and that is a huge part of your Christian heritage.
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Out goes through yonder open window the noxious words of a immoralist. Sardonic by nature and perfidious in action. These drossy words of a unlettered katzenjammer ninnyhammer do I cast threw into the abyss from which it came.

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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REDSEA!
YELLOWRIVER!
Oh damn it, u win!

I meant the blacklagoon poster guy!

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

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Jan 27, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Just like Richard Dawkins.
Who makes it his purpose in life to persuade people there is no purpose...
Except for the fact that he never once did that.

YOU may not have a purpose without your god, but don't think that everybody needs a god in order to have a purpose.

It ain't necessarily so.

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Jan 27, 2013
 
So where is my picture of your girls being set free before I am swept away?:))
Clementia wrote:
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Yh, u just keep LOLing! Tide is coming for u, so wave bye-bye, u gonna be swept away!

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

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Atheists have a respect for truth?
How do you account for the concept of "truth" if there are no absolutes?
Well...for instance

It's an absolute truth that you're an absolute idiot.

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Did meatball speak to you today?:))
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<quoted text>Perhaps you have experienced amazing coincidences or deja vu?

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Jan 27, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
So where is my picture of your girls being set free before I am swept away?:))
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U...U...U...HAVE SOME SHAME, U R A MARRIED MAN! SHAME ON U!!!

What would your wife say, just think about it!

They're my girls, i'll set them free when i want to!

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