Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

Since: Oct 12

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#150524 Jan 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Calm down I would let her see them if she wanted to. Freedom for the girls is a positive thing. I just want verification they have indeed been set free of the confines of the demon bra and devil blouse.
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Not until i get proof that u have let the boys out to play!

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#150525 Jan 27, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And Dr. Collins, while an evangelical Christian, understands that evolution is true and that creationism and ID are garbage. He is very explicit about this in his book.
Once again, I have no problem with someone who can do science rigorously but still believes in a deity (I think they are wrong about the latter, but that is there right). That means accepting that the universe is about 13.7 billion years old and that humans have evolved from earlier apes (we are apes still). Dr. Collins is fine with these things.
***EXPLOREFAITH: You have said that DNA is “God’s language.” Do you mean that in a literal, or more metaphorical, sense?

FRANCIS COLLINS: A little of both. I believe that the universe was created by God with the specific intention of giving rise to intelligent life. Given that we observe DNA to be the information molecule of all living things, one can regard therefore it as the “Logos” that God has used to speak life into being. Don’t misunderstand me, it is clear that the process of evolution by natural selection over hundreds of millions of years is the “how” that explains the marvelous diversity of life. But that doesn’t provide the answer to “why.” I think God provides that answer.

EXPLOREFAITH: As a scientist, you test your assumptions and beliefs. But as a Christian, you have said that you took “a leap of faith.” Why the two different paths?

FRANCIS COLLINS: Maybe they aren’t that different. Both science and faith are ways of seeking the truth. Science seeks truth about how the natural world works, and faith seeks answers to more profound questions such as, Why is there something instead of nothing?, or What is the meaning of life?, and Is there a God? All require a certain element of faith—you can’t be a scientist unless you have faith in the fact that there is order in nature, and that nature will behave in reproducible and predictable ways.

When I was an atheist and I decided to explore the rational underpinnings of belief in God, I expected to find none—and was astounded to discover that there are strong arguments from nature and philosophy that point to God’s existence. But those do not constitute a proof—apparently God intended to leave it up to us to make this decision. Perhaps such a leap of faith sounds rash to a committed materialist—but can you prove beauty? love?

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While I see no irreconcilable conflicts between the book of Genesis and evolutionary science, what we are learning about the relatedness of all living things through the information molecule of DNA offers the chance of a new and exciting interpretation of God’s plan in creating humans in His image.

http://www.explorefaith.org/faces/my_faith/dr... ****

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#150526 Jan 27, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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This was apparently taken from the "Agnostic Review of Christianity" web site, which should have been properly cited.(took less than 10 sec. to find via Google)
But, now that you've attacked the person for posting without proper citation, why don't you try to actually address the content of his post.
Or is that too hard?
Because it was you that asked. I shall address the issue posted however I must say a lot has already been said in the last 30 days.

Deut 20:10-11

10.{When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it}.

11.{And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee}.

What is so horrendous about making peace with an enemy? Notice peace was the very first option.

Now the key word here in verse 11 is “tributaries.” This word “tributaries,” does not mean slavery. How does one take this word and redefine it to mean something other than it’s intended purpose? Tributaries means; “branch off of,” meaning the city will come under the jurisdiction of Israel.

Deut 20:12-16

Now Deut 20-16 deals with the alternative the enemy chooses to take.

12.{And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:}

14.{But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee}.

Notice the women and children will be spared. I would say that’s not immoral but a moral action.

In the early days of American History. When Europeans were coming to the East Coast. This land from coast to coast was occupied by varying sects of Indians. The land belonged to the occupiers. The Europeans who later became Americans waged war and pushed the Indians off of their land. In many instances killing women and children.

Would you consider taking occupied land away from a sect of people moral? It happened here in history and also just about every place on the earth where people occupy land. We see these turf wars also in the animal kingdom as well.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#150527 Jan 27, 2013
Clementia wrote:
WHAT BABIES? Where r u taking this?
I'm telling Catcher about u! Just coz i said some things to him, it don't mean i broke the link, watch out, liberty guy!
Tide, take him down!
Nobody comes back from a Tide take down.

Are you really really sure?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#150528 Jan 27, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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You're really scaring me today, kitty!
Pft, you ain't seen nothing yet!

I'm bored right now.

Since: Oct 12

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#150529 Jan 27, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Nobody comes back from a Tide take down.
Are you really really sure?
No, I do like him, he's funny!

I think we should let him off this time, if that's OK with u?

Since: Oct 12

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#150530 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Pft, you ain't seen nothing yet!
I'm bored right now.
U wanna pole dance?

U'll get to show more and u won't be bored!

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#150531 Jan 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Our selves are not part of the larger scheme of things. Or the smaller scheme of things. At the galactic and subatomic levels we are undetectable. So what? Over eons and nanoseconds, we don't make an impact. So what.
We exist at the scale of a few decades, and experience a few thousand square miles of the surface of a specific planet. At remote addresses and scales of existence, we don't matter. We aren't detectable. So what?
And a god wouldn't change that if it existed. Do you think that you matter more because of one? You probably matter less if there is a god.
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What authority?
Who is claiming authority over my life. No god has - just some churches claiming to speak for a god.
***We believe that God created the universe, the earth, and all life over billions of years. God continues to sustain the existence and functioning of the natural world, and the cosmos continues to declare the glory of God. Therefore, we reject ideologies such as Deism that claim the universe is self-sustaining, that God is no longer active in the natural world, or that God is not active in human history.
We believe that the diversity and interrelation of all life on earth are best explained by the God-ordained process of evolution with common descent. Thus, evolution is not in opposition to God, but a means by which God providentially achieves his purposes. Therefore, we reject ideologies that claim that evolution is a purposeless process or that evolution replaces God.
We believe that God created humans in biological continuity with all life on earth, but also as spiritual beings. God established a unique relationship with humanity by endowing us with his image and calling us to an elevated position within the created order.

http://biologos.org/about ***

Run with the Scientists then?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#150532 Jan 27, 2013
scaritual wrote:
As soon as I see you present something that goes beyond mere assertion, I'll engage you, as it is, all I've seen you do do far is dodge questions and the only response I see you give to a question is a question of your own, as if yours must be answered first.
I understand why most in the forum don't do much more with you than play.
He drives a Dodge Query.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#150533 Jan 27, 2013
Clementia wrote:
No, I do like him, he's funny!
I think we should let him off this time, if that's OK with u?
That sounds just fine to me.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#150534 Jan 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Do you pay royalties to the apologetics you steal from word for word?
Hey do Shock of God next or that creepy dude with a sheet of paper and a pen who draws a circle that represents all the knowledge in the universe and then wants you to use the pen to fill in the amount of knowledge we have of everything and then gasp and say but look at all that open space! Isn't it possible that god is somewhere in that?
I mean the, limited knowledge argument will just get you laughed at by people of reason but hey maybe you take requests for your future humiliation?
You were going to use this yes? Wow Isaiah 13:16 dash their infants to pieces, next rob their house and lastly rape their grieving wife crying for the loss of her infant before killing her to. Goodness that one scripture speaks volumes about your god's absolute morality yes?
In that it's absolutely barbaric.
Thankfully as a society we have progressed beyond the musings of the bible into a more progressive, secular, humanist society.
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Date December 15, 2012

A gunman has opened fire at a primary school in Newtown, a small town in rural Connecticut, USA. Twenty children were shot dead.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/live-updates-us--... ****

Once upon a time ...... children were safe in school!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#150535 Jan 27, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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U wanna pole dance?
U'll get to show more and u won't be bored!
Naw. Not my style. ;)

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#150536 Jan 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Did meatball speak to you today?:))
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Her name is Gillian, and actually, I am speaking for her today :):):) And she is sending you smiles.....

Since: Jan 13

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#150537 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You make your own purpose. Mine is to seek evidence. Since you present no evidence all your claims about your religion are dismissed as mythology.
Does the "evidence" in your life reflect your morality? That's what you should really be concerned about.

Scienc teaches that you can claim that anything is true if the only basis for believing it, is that nobody has proved it isn't.

“The name is ironic. I'm a girl”

Since: Jan 13

Fletcher, NC &Fayetteville, NC

#150538 Jan 27, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Her name is Gillian, and actually, I am speaking for her today :):):) And she is sending you smiles.....


WasteWater _ wrote:
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Twiigs_n_b3rriez wrote:
<quoted text> Okay nutcase, we get it... but don't really care. I believe in God and am gay. What a hypocrisy, ey? NOT! Bob, we all know your gay, you just don't act on your sexual urges.

So you believe in gods and goddesses, ghosts and angels, gods on earth and heaven, the devil and hell, and that has something to do with sexual orientation?
What a sicko you are.

WasteWater calling Twiigs_n_b3rriez a sicko? What an honor!
I am thrilled with the attention, no matter how random. That is my only goal in life. Has been since I was a gay infant wanting my butt wiped that special way.

But YOU are the sicko WasteWater!

You pretend to support gay causes, but only the limp-wristed light-in-the-loafers boa-wearing gays.
A beautifully oiled-up body builder makes you vomit.
And any rough stuff or even sex in the fun zones makes you flat out bigoted. You are quite happy to discriminate against gays with multiple partners and lack of condoms, saying AIDS is God's way of keeping vermin down.
Sick, sick, sick sicko!

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#150539 Jan 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Do you pay royalties to the apologetics you steal from word for word?
Hey do Shock of God next or that creepy dude with a sheet of paper and a pen who draws a circle that represents all the knowledge in the universe and then wants you to use the pen to fill in the amount of knowledge we have of everything and then gasp and say but look at all that open space! Isn't it possible that god is somewhere in that?
I mean the, limited knowledge argument will just get you laughed at by people of reason but hey maybe you take requests for your future humiliation?
You were going to use this yes? Wow Isaiah 13:16 dash their infants to pieces, next rob their house and lastly rape their grieving wife crying for the loss of her infant before killing her to. Goodness that one scripture speaks volumes about your god's absolute morality yes?
In that it's absolutely barbaric.
Thankfully as a society we have progressed beyond the musings of the bible into a more progressive, secular, humanist society.
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What would you know of the teachings of Jesus, he wrote nothing himself. You only know how others interpret his teachings.

Jesus corrected the Jewish doctrines of the Old Testament by introducing a new system of ethics, which was disbelieved by the Jews. Jesus and Jews were not exactly best buds. Why do you think he never taught in synagogues? The first time he tried the "Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him." Further, why would a Jewish God send his only begotten son to reform the Jewish hierarchy of that day? Yet this is exactly what transpired! The New Testament is the Old Testament reformed.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#150540 Jan 27, 2013
solopassage wrote:
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Does the "evidence" in your life reflect your morality? That's what you should really be concerned about.
Scienc teaches that you can claim that anything is true if the only basis for believing it, is that nobody has proved it isn't.
Your user name is interesting. Brings up an important aspect of life as a human being.

Going through life alone is something no one wants to do. People have a need for companionship.

You will never get rid of a Jesus for that reason.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#150541 Jan 27, 2013
solopassage wrote:
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What would you know of the teachings of Jesus, he wrote nothing himself. You only know how others interpret his teachings.
THINK about that for a long while would you?
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#150542 Jan 27, 2013
solopassage wrote:
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Does the "evidence" in your life reflect your morality? That's what you should really be concerned about.
Scienc teaches that you can claim that anything is true if the only basis for believing it, is that nobody has proved it isn't.
you have NO clue what SCIENCE is

you must be xian
Avery

Portland, OR

#150543 Jan 27, 2013
Divine Alien wrote:
When we leave this world, we are going back to God himself.
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

- Christopher Hitchens

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