Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[RiversideRedneck]

polymath257 wrote:

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Yes, actually, the idea of God is man-made.

You'd be correct if God was just an idea.

[polymath257]

Eagle12 wrote:

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“Things that are not proven but can be experienced are called delusions.”
Migraines can’t be proven but they can be experienced.
Back pain also can’t be proven but experienced.
Dreams can’t be proven but they’re experienced.
Your statement in itself is a delusion.
I don’t mean to sound offensive but your statement is not reality.

yes, each and every one of those things can, in fact, be proven.
We can look at neural activity and brain scans and prove that they exist. they are also *internal* states, not externally caused phenomena. Are you claiming that God is an internal state and not external to you?

[polymath257]

Eagle12 wrote:

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There’s truth in what you are saying. Many faiths that include idol worship is indeed man made. Throughout history mankind has reached out to a higher order but often created their own God and religion.

Not often. Always.

[polymath257]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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You'd be correct if God was just an idea.

Then I guess I am correct. There is no evidence that God is anything other than an idea inside the heads of believers.

[Imhotep]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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God isn't.

Correct!

God 2.0
Todays problems, yesterday's prayers.

Yes my slaves, prayers are delayed.

I am busy, Mohammad was having a emotional affair with Jesus. He is jealous of the recently discovered hidden wife.

And there are rumors circulating Joey Greco's 'Cheaters' is featuring this woman. Slaves have no shame.

Satan is my only 'creation' success..

Really, what is a god to do?

My slaves are rioting, my dilithium crystals have been depleted,

I desperately want another flood but can only afford Global warming.

Is it any mystery my name spelled backwards is Dog?

Mom could have done better!
'Sue' would be good.

Omg (dad) this one really makes me mad.

Which one of us do they mean?

I am the youngest, maybe Mohammad but he smells funny and I've repeatedly warned him about the odor of BBQ on his robes.

My problems are many my faithful slaves

Virtually everything I create... Dies!

Zeus is always teasing me, says I need 'The Force' and a more robust training schedule.
Other gods also torment me daily about this.

What do they think, I'm made of savoiurs?

You should see the road apples Pegasus drops <omg>

My Martyrs are busy with their virgins, the virgins have petitioned Aphrodite for a union.

It is chaos here my slaves :(

Toilets are backed up, waiting on Joe the Plummer.

Due to finances planned raptures must be suspended indefinitely.

[Clementia]

Tide with Beach wrote:

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I don't really remember.
Do you have anything that would jog my memory? It's getting fuzzy!
It's getting really really fuzzy. I think it's disappearing!
The secrets of the universe....just floating away!!!

NOOOOOOOO!! NO NO NO!! WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN!!!!!

Should i get my belly dancing hip scarf on? It might just work, u know, help u focus!!

[Just Think]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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You'd be correct if God was just an idea.

Until someone proves otherwise, your god (like all the other gods) IS just an idea....

[Dave Nelson]

polymath257 wrote:

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Not necessarily.
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Not even a question that makes sense.
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Where are you getting 'outermost' and 'innermost' forces????
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or not. Wait, definitely not.
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What *are* you babbling about? Let's face it. You have NO idea how modern physics actually works. You have read a couple of popular articles and perhaps a wikipedia article that you didn't understand.

You do the babbling. You don't even understand the basic setup.

What is this "modern physics" you refer to? A glorified math game?

Youngblood, I have considerable experience in applied physics. I am the Jesus of the junkpile due to my ability to resurrect dead machines and objects. I have constructed structures over large distances with high degrees of accuracy, moved heavy objects in tight spaces where one misstep could do irreparable damage to my existence all by myself. I have played with fire since being a young boy, stripped engines, repaired and tuned electrical, electronic, and and mechanical devices by the hundreds, have considerable experience in ballistics, and just flat out have a high aptitude for understanding how things work. With some formal training thrown in.

Do you really, really think you have a better grasp of physics than I do?

Your experience seems to be reading and speculating on the micro, that which is beyond our vision. You are subscribing to a belief system. You are doing nothing more than any other religion.

That religion of yours started out observing the macro, the stuff I am quite familiar with, and deducing by effects what the micro is assumed to be, and how it is constructed. But it took a wrong turn some time back and became a religion of math, not of reality.

A neutral atom is supposed to exist all by itself. If it is charged it interacts with others. They are discrete energy transfer devices. By the proclamation of modern physics, they are all contained within a larger system of energy transfers. Their individual configuration is determined by the configuration of the whole.

You are spouting nonsense, small portions of the entire picture. You evidently don't know how to tie them all together. Like learning verses in Sunday School.

[Imhotep]

Eagle12 wrote:

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There’s a inaccuracy in your statement. First you claim “all” the disciples then you give the scripture reference that says “some.” You contradicted yourself immensely.
There among the disciples that day when Jesus spoke was John. He is also known as John the revelator. It was on the island of Patmos when saw into the future of things to come. The prophecy did not fail but was fulfilled through John’s revelations.
I do thank you for pointing this out.

Let's look at the facts. Jesus said absolutely nothing about the death he described in Matt 16:27-28 as being only a "spiritual death".

Jesus flatly declared, or more precisely, the unknown author of the Gospel of Matthew portrays Jesus as saying that some of his associates would not taste death before he came in his kingdom WITH angels and rewards.

The verses mean exactly what they say, and they say that some of the associates of Jesus would still be alive when he returned in his kingdom with angels and rewards.

The prophecy failed.

Prov 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Take heed Christian. Do not add to the words of God or manipulate his holy word to suit your needs.

Jesus has never come back to earth with angels and rewards and set up his kingdom within the time frame he said he would.

[RiversideRedneck]

polymath257 wrote:

Then I guess I am correct. There is no evidence that God is anything other than an idea inside the heads of believers.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, my friend.

[scaritual]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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It's supposed to sound like I'm sick n tired of writing the same shit over & over for you people.

http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg601/sca...

[RiversideRedneck]

Just Think wrote:

Until someone proves otherwise, your god (like all the other gods) IS just an idea....

Well, at least you're acknowledging that someone might be able to scientifically prove the non-scientific realm...

That's a good start!

[RiversideRedneck]

Imhotep wrote:

Let's look at the facts. Jesus said absolutely nothing about the death he described in Matt 16:27-28 as being only a "spiritual death".
Jesus flatly declared, or more precisely, the unknown author of the Gospel of Matthew portrays Jesus as saying that some of his associates would not taste death before he came in his kingdom WITH angels and rewards.
The verses mean exactly what they say, and they say that some of the associates of Jesus would still be alive when he returned in his kingdom with angels and rewards.
The prophecy failed.

Silly.... Jesus still has about 2.2 billion "associates".....

[It aint necessarily so]

NeuroRev wrote:

We could have millions of people screaming and chanting that the moon is made of cheese. This would be a mass spectacle, and it would be tempting to assume that because so many people believe it, it must be true... Even if 500 million or 2 billion people are simultaneously chanting and strongly believing this, it does not have any impact on reality. It simply distorts perception of reality, which most people get easily taken in by. All you would need to disprove this massive 2 billion strong delusion is a small moon rock that will fit on the palm of your hand. That's it. It is a sample from the moon. It is chemically and structurally compared to cheese and has no resemblance to it. Therefore the moon is not made of cheese. 2 billion people chanting and screaming "the moon is made of cheese! The moon is made of cheese! I believe the moon is made of cheese! We believe the moon is made of cheese! We believe it!!! We believe it!!!" means nothing and fails in any way to change reality. It is just a mass (2 billion strong) mega-delusion. The tiny moon rock is still closer to truth than 2 billion deluded screaming people...

I like cheese.

[scaritual]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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You do the babbling. You don't even understand the basic setup.
What is this "modern physics" you refer to? A glorified math game?
Youngblood, I have considerable experience in applied physics. I am the Jesus of the junkpile due to my ability to resurrect dead machines and objects. I have constructed structures over large distances with high degrees of accuracy, moved heavy objects in tight spaces where one misstep could do irreparable damage to my existence all by myself. I have played with fire since being a young boy, stripped engines, repaired and tuned electrical, electronic, and and mechanical devices by the hundreds, have considerable experience in ballistics, and just flat out have a high aptitude for understanding how things work. With some formal training thrown in.
Do you really, really think you have a better grasp of physics than I do?
Your experience seems to be reading and speculating on the micro, that which is beyond our vision. You are subscribing to a belief system. You are doing nothing more than any other religion.
That religion of yours started out observing the macro, the stuff I am quite familiar with, and deducing by effects what the micro is assumed to be, and how it is constructed. But it took a wrong turn some time back and became a religion of math, not of reality.
A neutral atom is supposed to exist all by itself. If it is charged it interacts with others. They are discrete energy transfer devices. By the proclamation of modern physics, they are all contained within a larger system of energy transfers. Their individual configuration is determined by the configuration of the whole.
You are spouting nonsense, small portions of the entire picture. You evidently don't know how to tie them all together. Like learning verses in Sunday School.

http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg601/sca...

[polymath257]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, my friend.

While true in general, the absence of evidence for an elephant in my room *is* evidence of the absence of elephants in my room. In the case of deities, the absence of evidence is sufficient to at least promote confidence in the absence.

[RiversideRedneck]

scaritual wrote:

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http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg601/sca...

Another atheist lie?

[Tide with Beach]

Clementia wrote:

NOOOOOOOO!! NO NO NO!! WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN!!!!!
Should i get my belly dancing hip scarf on? It might just work, u know, help u focus!!

Yes. YES!

Meet me here in about 3 hours with your hip scarf on.

[Just Think]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Well, at least you're acknowledging that someone might be able to scientifically prove the non-scientific realm...
That's a good start!

When have I ever not?

I have always stated that there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.

Oddly enough, this seems to upset religious people.

[RiversideRedneck]

polymath257 wrote:

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While true in general, the absence of evidence for an elephant in my room *is* evidence of the absence of elephants in my room. In the case of deities, the absence of evidence is sufficient to at least promote confidence in the absence.

Your room can be measured & observed in many ways. So can the elephant.

If you can determine a way to measure God, then you can determine if He's there or not.

Until that happens, none of you can honestly say that God is in our minds & only in our minds.

You can only believe that.