Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#150324 Jan 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your sense of reality is a bit distorted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon#Muon_decay
Those alleged muons are jailed by the forces about them. They need to change for the decay to happen. They are corralled within a collection of forces which in turn are corralled by larger forces without. They are captured energies forced into a circuit by the larger universe. Part of the Big Bang thingy of being a contained system of matter and energy, conservation of matter and energy, and all of those other things we assume to be true,
Now, a careful reading of that article, and most any other physics article, will reveal a certain circular logic within the observation process and system based upon math which is based upon perhaps some wrong assumptions made much earlier in the development of the system of said observation process.
Your "reality" based upon such is a delusion.
Good post.
Imhotep

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#150325 Jan 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh and I meant to throw in, great effort but sadly with daffy it's a waste of time. You can find dozens of times where he denies what the bible says demanding chapter and verse. You give him the chapter and verse and he either ignores that you provided him with it or uses the standard apologetic excuses A: it's figurative in that case. B: it doesn't really say that and let me dig up an obscure version if the bible that words it slightly differently. C: You are an atheist and so you don't have the secret decoder excuse ring. D: Insert random Ad Hom attack here.
That's Daffy Duck12 for you!
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Sorry...
Previous response was for another poster.:(

I do appreciate the background on the poster you were referring to.

The Bible contains a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured goat herders.

Given the information readily available it is odd so many individuals find this book so compelling, yet have never read it!

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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#150326 Jan 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
If you are hanging with me feel free to lose the bra. Let the girls breathe :)
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U lucky u weren't around last night, i was possessed by a spirit or something!

Yes Sir!

I'll teach them the breathing technique u taught me..

Inhale, exhale and repeat....Inhale, exhale and repeat...Inhale, exhale and repeat...!

You were right it does come in handy!

OK, now your turn to let the boys breathe! ;-)

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#150327 Jan 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Give it up, Einstein. You were produced by something beyond your comprehension. And a lot smarter than you.
I might have to remember that one...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150328 Jan 27, 2013
Serah wrote:
I am glad you appreciate our DNA
Thanks.

And I'm glad that you appreciate pugs. I have a puggle - half pug, half beagle.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150329 Jan 27, 2013
Serah wrote:
You have obviously not had any messages from your Ancestors from the other side.
That is correct, but my eyes and ears are wide open. Maybe today.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#150330 Jan 27, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Which, by you way of reasoning, must have been produced by something beyond its comprehension and a lot smarter that it ... which must have been produced by something beyond its comprehension and a lot smarter that it ... etc ... etc ... etc.
You probably impress the hell out of yourself by coming up with such reasoning. It sounds so intellectual. Even if it just leaves you sitting there with your mind running in circles, going nowhere.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#150331 Jan 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You probably impress the hell out of yourself by coming up with such reasoning. It sounds so intellectual. Even if it just leaves you sitting there with your mind running in circles, going nowhere.
It is a valid point. If everything requires something intelligent to create, then so does that which creates it require something intelligent to create, thereby creating an infinite regression. If one thing can exist, anything at all, without intelligent creation then so can anything exist without intelligent creation. Thus if you propose a god that created this universe that was not created by something else, then the universe itself can happen to exist without that god you proposed, making the existence of such a god meaningless and useless.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150332 Jan 27, 2013
mtimber wrote:
It is not "known" that anything is uncaused. You have assumed something is uncaused, but you have no empirical evidence for that claim.
The physicists tell us that quantum events are uncaused, and there is good experimental evidence to support that claim.

Do you believe that there is free will? If you believe that any aspect of will is uncaused, then you just contradicted yourself. If you believe that every aspect of will and is determined by a cause, then you have ruled out the possibility of free will.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#150333 Jan 27, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Because the Big Bang theory ... works very well from less than a nanosecond into the expansion phase until the present.
mtimber wrote:
So that nanosecond, what happened then?
He said less than a nanosecond.

It's actually, much, much, MUCH less than a nanosecond, perhaps as little as 5.4 x 10E-44 seconds, the Planck time.

A nanosecond is 10E-9 seconds, a billionth of a second.

A billionth of a billionth of a second is called an attosecond, 10E-18 seconds.

A millionth of this value is called a yoctosecond, 10E-24 seconds. After this, we run out of prefixes, with twenty more powers of ten needed. The amount of time we are discussing is less than a billion billionths of a yoctosecond - much less, about 2%.

54 billion billion billion billion billionths of a second. That's the size of the gap that your god must squeeze into for now.

@ polymath - did I get that right?

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#150334 Jan 27, 2013
My turn my turn! You don't have to tell me twice to let the boys breathe free of the confines of demon pants!

You let the girls breathe along with that breathing exercise I taught you and beautiful babies are bound to happen ;-)
Clementia wrote:
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U lucky u weren't around last night, i was possessed by a spirit or something!
Yes Sir!
I'll teach them the breathing technique u taught me..
Inhale, exhale and repeat....Inhale, exhale and repeat...Inhale, exhale and repeat...!
You were right it does come in handy!
OK, now your turn to let the boys breathe! ;-)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#150335 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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It is a valid point. If everything requires something intelligent to create, then so does that which creates it require something intelligent to create, thereby creating an infinite regression. If one thing can exist, anything at all, without intelligent creation then so can anything exist without intelligent creation. Thus if you propose a god that created this universe that was not created by something else, then the universe itself can happen to exist without that god you proposed, making the existence of such a god meaningless and useless.
Sweetie, you are at the bottom of the pecking order. Follow the chain of command.

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#150336 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You don't know, we don't know, you just lie and claim you do know.
I have made no such claim...

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#150337 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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nothing is cause by anything.
Can you clarify this as it appears you are claiming that nothing has a source?

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#150338 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You don't know, we don't know, you just lie and claim you do know.
So you accept it as a presupposition that it must have happened?

You don't know it did, or how it did, but you know it did...

Please clarify.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#150339 Jan 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Sweetie, you are at the bottom of the pecking order. Follow the chain of command.
If only you actually knew something. Can you not address the infinite regression or are you proposing that only your god is exempt from the "everything needs a creator" assertion?

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#150340 Jan 27, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Can you clarify this as it appears you are claiming that nothing has a source?
Can you avoid red herrings?

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#150341 Jan 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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It is a valid point. If everything requires something intelligent to create, then so does that which creates it require something intelligent to create, thereby creating an infinite regression. If one thing can exist, anything at all, without intelligent creation then so can anything exist without intelligent creation. Thus if you propose a god that created this universe that was not created by something else, then the universe itself can happen to exist without that god you proposed, making the existence of such a god meaningless and useless.
Strawman.

No one is arguing that "everything" is created by intelligence.

What is being argued that all things that are created, were created by intelligence.

God is eternal, so is not a part of the creation.

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#150342 Jan 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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The physicists tell us that quantum events are uncaused, and there is good experimental evidence to support that claim.
Do you believe that there is free will? If you believe that any aspect of will is uncaused, then you just contradicted yourself. If you believe that every aspect of will and is determined by a cause, then you have ruled out the possibility of free will.
No they do not.

Some physicists say that, not all of them.

You have made a false appeal to authority.

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#150343 Jan 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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He said less than a nanosecond.
It's actually, much, much, MUCH less than a nanosecond, perhaps as little as 5.4 x 10E-44 seconds, the Planck time.
A nanosecond is 10E-9 seconds, a billionth of a second.
A billionth of a billionth of a second is called an attosecond, 10E-18 seconds.
A millionth of this value is called a yoctosecond, 10E-24 seconds. After this, we run out of prefixes, with twenty more powers of ten needed. The amount of time we are discussing is less than a billion billionths of a yoctosecond - much less, about 2%.
54 billion billion billion billion billionths of a second. That's the size of the gap that your god must squeeze into for now.
@ polymath - did I get that right?
So what happened during this (rather inconvenient for atheism) nanosecond?

You do not know?

So you accept that the origin of the universe was caused by something that you cannot explain or quantify.

But you know it was not God.

Your pre-suppositional bias is apparent and revealed in your logically fallacious contradiction.

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