Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#150162 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Things that are not proven but can be experienced are called delusions.
Like virtual particles? Or muons committing suicide?

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#150163 Jan 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Oh yeah?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IocCC1-jeTYXX
OK! STRANGE!

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#150164 Jan 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Like virtual particles? Or muons committing suicide?
Both can be proved. The effects of virtual particles can be measured and muons definitely decay.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#150165 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Things that are not proven but can be experienced are called delusions.
Next time a spouse or family member of yours experiences a migraine headache. Tell them they’re delusional and the pain is imaginary and in their head. Explain to them your not experiencing a migraine so theirs is not real.

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#150166 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Both can be proved. The effects of virtual particles can be measured and muons definitely decay.
Your sense of reality is a bit distorted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon#Muon_decay

Those alleged muons are jailed by the forces about them. They need to change for the decay to happen. They are corralled within a collection of forces which in turn are corralled by larger forces without. They are captured energies forced into a circuit by the larger universe. Part of the Big Bang thingy of being a contained system of matter and energy, conservation of matter and energy, and all of those other things we assume to be true,

Now, a careful reading of that article, and most any other physics article, will reveal a certain circular logic within the observation process and system based upon math which is based upon perhaps some wrong assumptions made much earlier in the development of the system of said observation process.

Your "reality" based upon such is a delusion.

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#150167 Jan 26, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017...
Have a nice forever!
"Each and everyone of us must personally, individually come to the full and complete comprehension that we are condemned as sinners right where we stand,here and now."

That is a very degrading faith you follow...

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#150168 Jan 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your sense of reality is a bit distorted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon#Muon_decay
There goes an irony meter!

This article describes *exactly* what I have been saying: muons decay and nothing happens just before the decay to cause the decay. We *can* predict probabilities of decay (as the article does) and the angular distribution of those decays.

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#150170 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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There goes an irony meter!
This article describes *exactly* what I have been saying: muons decay and nothing happens just before the decay to cause the decay. We *can* predict probabilities of decay (as the article does) and the angular distribution of those decays.
Sigh....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_interaction

Now try real hard to think. You can do it.

Where does that interaction occur?

Within the atom?

What is the outermost force of the atom?

EM?

That and that force are related?

I think it says so.

That outermost force contains that innermost force? More or less?

Will two balanced atoms come together and combine all by their lonesome?

I think they need to be surrounded by others with this cushion of outer EM forcing them together, which in turn stresses out the innards of those atoms. Parts of them start shrieking let me out of here and they charge ahead, or they are pushed out or find someplace with less stress caused by that outside force. All in the symmetry of the atoms.

Of course you can also have motion causing them to collide, putting this stress on their symmetry versus a steady outside pressure.

EM and gravity are universal in their range. The weak force is not. Matter in the farthest reaches of the universe is pushing and pulling via EM, and pulling with gravity. EM is much stronger. Change location of any of that matter and you change the cumulative affect and lines of force exerted by all of the other matter within this contained system of matter and energy we call our universe. If you were to believe modern physics as taught.

Atoms and their inner apparatus are created by outside forces. Maybe initially by gravity, the return to the source of the expansion, collecting them together, which then via motion created things like EM, which then made these little whirlpools of energy called atoms.

Or something like that.

You are looking from the perspective of the atom working outwards instead of the other way around, which is the way modern physics says it works. Outside in.
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#150171 Jan 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You were taught the history of mankind, and a very wide variety of other things in this existence alleged to exist, and how they came about. All based upon books and oral histories. Including "scientific" thought.
See a psychiatrist.
Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did.

Everything about Christianity is contained in the pathetic image of 'the flock.
Imhotep

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#150173 Jan 26, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017...
Have a nice forever!
Jesus said, or more accurately, was alleged to have said that he would return before all of his immediate associates had died. Jesus declared:

Matt 16:27-28
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Obviously, all of his immediate associates "tasted death" and died long ago. Jesus did not return within the time frame that he promised he would.

The prophecy failed.

Christians will attempt to rationalize this problem away in all sorts of ways. They will claim that the Transfiguration was Jesus coming in his kingdom. They will also claim that the "spirit" of Jesus came at Pentecost to his apostles.

They will always claim that a skeptic can't read correctly. They will claim anything to avoid the problem that the prophecy failed.

“Ditat Deus”

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#150174 Jan 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
Religion is man-made.
God isn't.

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#150175 Jan 26, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Next time a spouse or family member of yours experiences a migraine headache. Tell them they’re delusional and the pain is imaginary and in their head. Explain to them your not experiencing a migraine so theirs is not real.
Why do you think that migraines cannot be proved? They are physical processes *in the head* that can be verified by a number of different techniques. They also produce verifiable changes in the brain.

Do you really want to claim that your experience of a deity is similar in type to that of the experience of an emotion or a migraine? I thought you want to claim that a deity is something *outside* of yourself, not something internal.

“What's left to defend?”

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#150176 Jan 26, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Catcher, does he do it on purpose? I believe he does, nobody can be like that in the real world...NOBODY!!!!
@Tide.....i didn't do anything....i never even drove a rock. You seem to know a lot about it..what u hiding?
I don't really remember.

Do you have anything that would jog my memory? It's getting fuzzy!

It's getting really really fuzzy. I think it's disappearing!

The secrets of the universe....just floating away!!!

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#150177 Jan 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Sigh....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_interaction
Now try real hard to think. You can do it.
Where does that interaction occur?
Within the atom?
Not necessarily.
What is the outermost force of the atom?
Not even a question that makes sense.
EM?
That and that force are related?
I think it says so.
That outermost force contains that innermost force? More or less?
Where are you getting 'outermost' and 'innermost' forces????
Or something like that.
or not. Wait, definitely not.
You are looking from the perspective of the atom working outwards instead of the other way around, which is the way modern physics says it works. Outside in.
What *are* you babbling about? Let's face it. You have NO idea how modern physics actually works. You have read a couple of popular articles and perhaps a wikipedia article that you didn't understand.

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#150178 Jan 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God isn't.
Yes, actually, the idea of God is man-made.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#150179 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Why do you think that migraines cannot be proved? They are physical processes *in the head* that can be verified by a number of different techniques. They also produce verifiable changes in the brain.
Do you really want to claim that your experience of a deity is similar in type to that of the experience of an emotion or a migraine? I thought you want to claim that a deity is something *outside* of yourself, not something internal.

He just proved to himself what we have been saying all along.
That god is a condition of the mind, just like a migraine or emotion.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#150180 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Why do you think that migraines cannot be proved? They are physical processes *in the head* that can be verified by a number of different techniques. They also produce verifiable changes in the brain.
Do you really want to claim that your experience of a deity is similar in type to that of the experience of an emotion or a migraine? I thought you want to claim that a deity is something *outside* of yourself, not something internal.
“Things that are not proven but can be experienced are called delusions.”

Migraines can’t be proven but they can be experienced.

Back pain also can’t be proven but experienced.

Dreams can’t be proven but they’re experienced.

Your statement in itself is a delusion.

I don’t mean to sound offensive but your statement is not reality.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#150181 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, actually, the idea of God is man-made.
There’s truth in what you are saying. Many faiths that include idol worship is indeed man made. Throughout history mankind has reached out to a higher order but often created their own God and religion.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#150182 Jan 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Jesus said, or more accurately, was alleged to have said that he would return before all of his immediate associates had died. Jesus declared:
Matt 16:27-28
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Obviously, all of his immediate associates "tasted death" and died long ago. Jesus did not return within the time frame that he promised he would.
The prophecy failed.
Christians will attempt to rationalize this problem away in all sorts of ways. They will claim that the Transfiguration was Jesus coming in his kingdom. They will also claim that the "spirit" of Jesus came at Pentecost to his apostles.
They will always claim that a skeptic can't read correctly. They will claim anything to avoid the problem that the prophecy failed.
There’s a inaccuracy in your statement. First you claim “all” the disciples then you give the scripture reference that says “some.” You contradicted yourself immensely.

There among the disciples that day when Jesus spoke was John. He is also known as John the revelator. It was on the island of Patmos when saw into the future of things to come. The prophecy did not fail but was fulfilled through John’s revelations.

I do thank you for pointing this out.

“Ditat Deus”

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#150183 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, actually, the idea of God is man-made.
You'd be correct if God was just an idea.

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