"naturalistic choices"<quoted text>
Are you waiting to see another universe created?
What is obvious is that a universe can exist. We don't need to prove that it does or can. What isn't obvious is how. A god is only hypothetical answer to the origins problem.
But not a good one. All god hypotheses create a more intractable problem than they solve. They leave a god to be accounted for. It seems that something must either have existed eternally or to be self-created. What is the least likely thing to exist uncreated and undesigned?
[a] A singularity
[b] An amorphous multiverse
[c] an infinite, immortal, sentient, volitional, omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly moral being
Virtually every argument against simpler things existing undesigned, such as causality (cosmological argument) and irreducible complexity (teleological argument), are even stronger arguments against a god existing undesigned.
The person of faith generally invokes special pleading. For example, the universe, it will be said, absolutely, positively needs a first causes, and anybody who thinks otherwise is irrational. The naturalistic explanations are mocked with words and phrases like "poof!" "nothing exploded and made everything," and "rain on a rock turned into life"
But the god gets a pass from such rigorous scrutiny - often excused by some ad hoc qualifier such as that the god exists in a privileged reality where nothing needs to make sense. The will to believe permits that.
You just mocked choice [a], the idea of a singularity existing and expanding to become our universe. You no doubt want us to choose option [c].
Sorry, but whatever argument you can level at naturalistic choices, the same argument destroys any god hypothesis.
What makes you think they were "natural" before they started? It seems natural to you because you are made of it.
Jeez, IANS, you are limited on your perspectives.
You believe you are existing now. Having an experience.
We have ascertained things like atoms and DNA, building blocks, AND PATTERNS, of energy transfer and propagation. All follow basic laws related to motion and reaction to motion. EM is real good about that.
A chance expansion of some assumed thingy in the beginning will not create those laws universally unless it was pointed in the right direction. Try to figure how the spin of atoms and EM can all be in the same relative direction can be accomplished by the collapse of the original mysterious material expanded from a central point, meaning outwards in all directions.
Something set this stage and all of the actors in it. This physical manifestation is an expression of an intelligence, if you consider yourself intelligent, from another plane. A bipolarity was created that produced an energy which was then harnessed to accomplish ends. We do that all of the time with electronics, which, BTW, you can't see the energy, just the effects of it.
If you think, you are. If you are, something made you.