Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Ladies and gentlemen as expected Derek4's other screen name mtimber has refused to answer any question and continues to dodge actual debate.

He wishes to claim his god is the absolute authority when it comes to morality yet when questioned about the horrific acts his god committed and commanded his people to do he as expected cries that this is an unfair off topic question.

So remember his god is the absolute authority on morality, just don't bring up examples of his god's morality or he will hide and scream no fair.

Typical unintelligent, intellectually dishonest Christian idiot trolls like him are a dime per 100,000.

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#149985
Jan 24, 2013
 
Poor God.

He's going to have to leave town.

His life will be pure Hell after all of these righteous Topix atheists show up on his doorstep.

Hope he doesn't turn over the keys to the kingdom to them.

“Darwin died for your sins”

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#149986
Jan 24, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
Poor God.
He's going to have to leave town.
His life will be pure Hell after all of these righteous Topix atheists show up on his doorstep.
Hope he doesn't turn over the keys to the kingdom to them.
Do you always talk to yourself? That sure would explain your god obsession.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
polymath257 wrote:
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We dream to 'play out' scenarios in the safety of sleep rather than in the dangerous real world. We are good enough at extrapolation to be able to work through some basics.
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Some pretty far out scenarios in some dreams. Totally disconnected from this world. You forget a lot of them right away.

Keep going, though. Give us the mechanics and evolutionary reasons for such things,

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#149988
Jan 24, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
Poor God.
He's going to have to leave town.
His life will be pure Hell after all of these righteous Topix atheists show up on his doorstep.
Hope he doesn't turn over the keys to the kingdom to them.
Yeah, poor Quetzalcoatl.

Or was Osiris?

Zeus maybe?

Thor?

Will the real god hand over the keys to the kingdom.
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Jan 24, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
Poor God.
He's going to have to leave town.
His life will be pure Hell after all of these righteous Topix atheists show up on his doorstep.
Hope he doesn't turn over the keys to the kingdom to them.
Nah, we won't be a problem. We'll simply be tossed in the Lake of Fire.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
polymath257 wrote:
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Which you clearly did not understand.
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A bit strangely said, but I can live with this so far.
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Why do you say that? What do you think 'helps it along'?
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Not exactly. The probabilities of the different possibilities can be calculated. And quite accurately, at that.
I guess I think in more real world physical terms than you can.

Picture yourself sitting on a stadium bench with people siting next to each other. A relative equilibrium of forces emanating from each is reached, but a change in one changes the transfer down the line. Anywhere from a push to the transfer of heat. The universe is made the same way according to mainstream physics.

Each particle in each atom is locked in place by the position and state of each and every other particle in the universe. Gravity and EM are universal in their reach.

Balance two 4000 ton weights on a perfect frictionless balance beam. Then drop a feather on one of them. What is supposed to happen?

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#149991
Jan 24, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
The acts of breathing and sneezing prove that.
Achoooo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#149992
Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
Actually, he got that from Bahnsen and Van Till and others.
Who got it from the Bible.
I am bemused as to what crime you think is being made here?
It would be much easier for me, if you went and educated yourself on some of these issues, so that I did not have to keep trying to explain the obvious to you.
Please, go and watch Greg Bahnsen or Dr Jason Lyle, they are all pre-suppositional apologists, just like myself...
This argument is called:
Pre-suppositional apologetics if someone wants to go and check it out.
Christians on here, should understand it, you will soon realise that militant atheists do not have an argument against this.
But have to reduce their worldview to absurdity to escape the logical conclusion...
LOL

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Jan 24, 2013
 
madscot wrote:
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I agree but the scenario you presented was very challenging. I really want to get my head wrapped around it. Perhaps you could PM me and we could go into it more in depth. If you don't want to that's cool too.
Sure. I don't know how to PM though. Maybe if i use the full site instead of the mobile site.... i can actually find a really good video where i stole that last example from. Its good. I'll try to remember to find it tomorrow.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Some pretty far out scenarios in some dreams. Totally disconnected from this world. You forget a lot of them right away.
You should forget them too. Then, perhaps, you could become connected to this world.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen as expected Derek4's other screen name mtimber has refused to answer any question and continues to dodge actual debate.
He wishes to claim his god is the absolute authority when it comes to morality yet when questioned about the horrific acts his god committed and commanded his people to do he as expected cries that this is an unfair off topic question.
So remember his god is the absolute authority on morality, just don't bring up examples of his god's morality or he will hide and scream no fair.
Typical unintelligent, intellectually dishonest Christian idiot trolls like him are a dime per 100,000.
I could be wrong... but i don't think he is Derek. Derek is mean and floods the board with cut and paste BS from websites he doesn't even read. Mtimber is fun. I disagree with most if what he has to say but he keeps himself under control and i respect that.

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I guess I think in more real world physical terms than you can.
Picture yourself sitting on a stadium bench with people siting next to each other. A relative equilibrium of forces emanating from each is reached, but a change in one changes the transfer down the line. Anywhere from a push to the transfer of heat. The universe is made the same way according to mainstream physics.
Each particle in each atom is locked in place by the position and state of each and every other particle in the universe. Gravity and EM are universal in their reach.
Balance two 4000 ton weights on a perfect frictionless balance beam. Then drop a feather on one of them. What is supposed to happen?
I know.

God will pop out of the balance beam, grab the feather, and tickle himself with it.

How did I do, Dave?

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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LOL
LOL indeed.

I put this guy under the Catcher white sheet just as soon as he showed up.

Turns out he's a new name for some other waste of time.

“Michin yeoja”

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Achoooo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Buttered flies?

Slippery creatures at best.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
LOL indeed.
I put this guy under the Catcher white sheet just as soon as he showed up.
Turns out he's a new name for some other waste of time.
I haven't seen his personality under another name, but I don't venture out too much.

I should have thought of it before, but I'm pretty sure IANS would like to talk to him.

Do you know if he's been posting somewhere lately?

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Jan 24, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
Buttered flies?
Slippery creatures at best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Top comment: "ahhh just some good old fashion family racism"

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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That is always the hope.
Have a look at presuppositional apologetics.
Start with Sye Ten Bruggencate, then move to Dr Jason Lisle and finish with the master Greg Bahnsen.
A week with them and you will have no problem dealing with your average militant atheist...
I'm a bit shocked and bothered by this.

Although you have been having conversations about coming to rational conclusions... using logic... and such... all of which i am happy with..... now you are supporting presuppositional apologetics?

I feel like the pastafarians have a lot of fun with the same tactics because they are pointing out the absurdities of it.

Maybe that explains why you have been equating goddidit with arockdidit. Except in presuppositional apologetics ... goddidit is where it begins so it fills the gaps like a base color on a canvas. Science doesnt begin with the answer. It finds the highest probabilities while searching for answers. So if one answer was arockdidit... it wont be the answer to all of the unanswered questions.

If we walked into a room with a box and a note on it... you read the note and it said a 18 lb blue bowling ball was in the box... you believed it and sat down... and i picked up the small light weight box and said i didnt believe the note... coming from presuppositional apologetics... can i trust my senses when i think i see a small box that feels light weight?... so i think nothing is in the box?... this is very problematic.

Strawman? I don't know... but i dont see a difference.

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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I haven't seen his personality under another name, but I don't venture out too much.
I should have thought of it before, but I'm pretty sure IANS would like to talk to him.
Do you know if he's been posting somewhere lately?
IANS is posting in the Why Should Jesus Love Me thread.

It's a hoot over there.

There's this guy, Counter_Strike.

You'd have a good time with him.

“Darwin died for your sins”

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Jan 24, 2013
 
EmpAtheist wrote:
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Sure. I don't know how to PM though. Maybe if i use the full site instead of the mobile site.... i can actually find a really good video where i stole that last example from. Its good. I'll try to remember to find it tomorrow.
Thank you

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