Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jan 24, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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So if you do something based on "training and experience" you are not exerting free will? Wha?
Certainly not. Training means you were taught. Experience is what shapes that teaching into something different if such occurs. How do you think cultural differences came about?

You are taught not to do some dangerous things, but you do them to get a thrill or knowledge. That is free will.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You said particles are fuzzy. Not hard thingies. Perhaps that fuzzy stuff is thought, waves of some sort that then gathers other fuzzy stuff to create "life". Waves shaping waves. Kind of creating its own little world.
Fuzz creates the hard stuff that then creates more fuzz.
We have fuzzy thinking Topix atheists, so it must be possible.
Or something like that.

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If God was outside of time and space, as He created it, then He would have to reveal that fact in some form.
To do this, He has shown, through prophecy, that this is the case.
It is a logical conclusion.
1. To prove God is eternal, He has to show knowledge that He operates outside the bounds of time.
2. God reveals the future through prophecy, operating outside of time.
3. God proves He is eternal.
Second Part:
1. The universe had a start, a first cause that was not of the universe.
2. That first cause has to show that it is outside of time.
3. God has shown He is outside of term and therefore the first cause.
Plenty of evidence that God is the Creator, using very simple logic.
God presents His own argument here:
Isa 42:8 I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isa 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Very nicely written :)

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Adam wrote:
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No, atheists look at a rock and see a rock. They look at god-S and religion-S (in the plural) and understand that these are man made. Simple as.
GOD S man made? That's a first LOL

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>GOD S man made? That's a first LOL
Men made other men god, men made themselves god.
Is it so far to stretch of your brain spring , to realize ?

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Jan 24, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =8g2ArhHlyykXX
Dreams can become reality, sweetness. Or seem that way.

It can get difficult figuring just where the dreaming actually started.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>GOD S man made? That's a first LOL
It is very simple.

God or gods are manmade to explain their existence.

It is really that simple.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>GOD S man made? That's a first LOL
If your god is not manmade then please show us your god.

If it is the god of the bible or the Qqran then please show a loving god and not the god of hate and evil that the bible and the quran proclaim as a god.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
Would you expand on that?
Across time and societies, those calling themselves Christians have held many contradictory beliefs about morality.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
No, the atheist wants to present the godidit argument as invalid whilst retaining the rockdidit argument as valid.
The "goddidit" answer is not an answer. It's usually referred to as the god of the gaps fallacy.

Is anyone saying a rock did anything? Anyone? Can you provide a quote from an atheist? You are committing the strawman argument fallacy.
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I am making the Transcendental Argument for the existance of God.
You can of course match that and make the transcendental argument for the creative powers of rocks if you want, but that might be a tough one...
Have you made your argument for the existence of God? I must have missed it.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Dreams can become reality, sweetness. Or seem that way.
It can get difficult figuring just where the dreaming actually started.
In my world, reality creates dreams.

See how different we can be?

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
Atheists look at a rock and think it replaces the need for God...
Which atheists?

I don't suppose you'd make claims without any evidence, now would you?

Where are you going to find these atheists you keep talking about, that do such weird things?

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River Tam wrote:
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In my world, reality creates dreams.
See how different we can be?
Why would reality create dreams? What would be the need?

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
One of your own team members disagree with you...
Are you saying they are a primitive or savage?
Which "team member"?

Is it too much to ask for a quote?

I'd like you to be more specific, so some intellectually dishonest dumbass doesn't come along and misrepresent everything you say.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
The laws of logic, morality and uniformity reveal the character of God...
This is an example of a god of the gaps fallacy, which is a variant of the argument from ignorance.

You fill in what you do not understand with "goddidit".

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It makes sense, and to emphasize a portion of a phrase you used above:
"allows us to make the best choice possible."
*Allow**Choice*
That indicates, to me, we're only exercising a semblance of free will in an environment that we have very little latitude in the choices available to draw from. The discussion surrounding free will is always thought provoking, because at times you can almost convince yourself we do have free will in what we do from day to day, but upon further examination, we're really at the whim of our environment.
There is one thing we do have 100% free will in.
The choice to die.
Any of us can choose to die in various ways, and that is pure free will if a person chooses that, but, who wants to choose death in order to exercise 100% free will?
Awesome post AFM!

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
And yet you are able to discuss the concepts as if they are fact?
Is that too hard for you to comprehend?

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Jan 24, 2013
 
EmpAtheist wrote:
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I don't think it matters. Being "god" is supposed to be "outside" of time... this gets sticky. I guess it is both. I'm not using my own beliefs here. I just find this argument to be problematic for atheists and think that showing the incompatibility of omniscient and omnipotent to hold more weight
I agree but the scenario you presented was very challenging. I really want to get my head wrapped around it. Perhaps you could PM me and we could go into it more in depth. If you don't want to that's cool too.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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How could the Creator of the universe be invented 3500 years ago?
The basis premise of God, is that He is without cause.
He is the first cause.
That means He was self existent before the universe was created.
How many stories, do you know of, describing the beginning of the universe? Every religion and culture, just about, has the same blind faith as you do.

When is the earliest know writings of your god? About 3,500 years ago, if I am not mistaken.

You have to do better than blind faith.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Part I
Judges 21:10-24
No reverence to rape, None.
Your link is full of it.

A woman who is married without her consent and must submit to conjugal duties is being raped.

No, the Bible does not CALL it rape because did not consider any marital sex to be rape because women were property of men. We know this is nonsense.

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