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I have no problem with what I mean, those laws exist, and they help us to understand the universe. They came into being at a point in time, that does not mean to say that outside this universe other laws are not in effect.
Please provide evidence of such tuning? From what I have read no such tuning exists and everything in this universe is the result of time coupled with those universal laws. Those laws may or may not exists outside the domain of this universe and came in to existence after the event as a random result of that event and time.
I quoted the definition of paradox, the current understanding of how the universe was created is not paradoxical, there is nothing contradictory, the meshing of quantum and atomic domains are now calculable and seamless.
Yes the argument has been waged for some time and in very recent years the boundaries of that argument have expanded. Actually not arrogant and haughty reasoning but the reasoning of world renowned physicists and cosmologist as there knowledge and understanding increases. Just because you believe it to be contradictory does not make it contradictory, all it means is that you believe it to be contradictory. Nope, the heart of this mystery is being investigated and with all probability within my lifetime this mystery will no longer be a mystery. Whether you or anyone else accepts that progress is your choice.
Singhs mathematics provide logical solutions to several possibilitys by quantifying what is already known about both the quantum and atomic domains. And of course the people involved in pre big bang cosmological hypothesis and the quantim/atomic interface are for the most part, agreed that his mathematics are the best available for the job in hand. The time of some bronze age guy saying godidit is gone, science and mathematics has taken over.
Even when/(if) a solution is found it will not stop the arguments, just look at the YEC lot, the creationists bunch and the funnymentalist christards who are shown proof that the earth is millions of times older than they claim or that all fossils are transitional fossils or that Noahs flood was impossible or that DNA disproves Adam and Eve living at the same time.
This is where we disagree, evidence (even mathematical evidence) does away with the need for mystery. Personally I would prefer fact than bronze age mythology anytime, this of course does not diminish the wonder but enhances the joy.
"outside this universe"?
This will take much speculation.
I made no reference to tuning, fine tuning or anything of the nature.
"Nope, the heart of this mystery is being investigated and with all probability within my lifetime this mystery will no longer be a mystery. Whether you or anyone else accepts that progress is your choice"
Arrogance and wishful thinking.
"Actually not arrogant and haughty reasoning but the reasoning of world renowned (physicists and cosmologist as there knowledge)"
Argument from authority.
"involved in pre big bang cosmological hypothesis"
Another way of saying conjecture.
"science and mathematics has taken over"
This is a conflicted statement, exactly what have science and math taken over?
I agree some of us use reasoning and science as tools to better understand the world, but has science taken over?
Will science conquer Iran's Theocracy?
The universe itself IS a paradox , can you say why there is something instead of nothing?
Why a infinitesimal became infinite, or even how is it not paradoxical in nature right down to Schroeder's cat and the time that passed for a photon to exist both 13 bya and now , despite your protest it is.
Just how old is a photon that originated shortly after the BB and has traveled 40 billion light years? Hint how does a photon appear to break causality?
The universe is a conglomeration of paradoxes.