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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Dec 11

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#149861 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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You are insinuating a women taken in captivity and married is a sex slave. I respectfully disagree.“Without any consent” is your words and those words are not in the bible in reference to this subject. A assumption on your part and not factual.
The woman is a CAPTIVE. There is no assumption needed that the process is non-consensual. "You killed my husband/father/brothers and took me as a prisoner...I'd love to marry you!"

The law even provides an instant divorce allowed if the woman does not sufficiently PLEASE him. "If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her."

If this was a consensual marriage, then why would she be considered dishonored?

This is consistent with other laws like Deut 22:28, where a man's punishment for rape is that he must marry his victim. Do you believe a woman would really want to marry her rapist and continue to have conjugal relations with him?

Or Exodus 21:7, where fathers may sell their daughters as wives (again, no consent involved).
Eagle12 wrote:
Here we find of an example where the wife to be is asked.
Having an example where the woman is asked does not nullify the examples where the women are clearly not asked.

Since: Dec 11

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#149862 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Good response, but they won't be interested, their anti-God goggles preclude a rational consideration of the texts.
Ah yes, the 'rational consideration' that a woman captured by her family's murderers would consent to marriage with one of them.

The 'rational consideration' that requires we ignore all historical context of the era and the culture in which women were little more than property and men had control over women's sexuality.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149863 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes.
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Now,*that* is a circular argument. I claim that the decay of a muon is not caused. That is based on observation and theory. You claim otherwise. But you give no demonstration or evidence of its being caused. Essentially, you are assuming every event has a cause. And *that* is a circular argument.
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Like I said, most quantum level behavior is uncaused.
Poly, the prevailing theory is that something expanded and blew a big bubble, condensing something into matter that became those particles and their derivatives, including us. The interactions of these particles keeps blowing the bubble bigger. Perhaps because redirected motion. They got to bouncing around from gravity, or the pressure on the bubble.

The universe is a container. All particles are contained in it. All of them interact via some force. These "uncaused" actions have to have a cause within this container. Each and every particle feels each other gravitationally if not electromagnetically. This works on the innards of an atom. Causes an assumed uncaused event. Virtual "particles" included.

That's the nature of the physical world. Atoms were caused by the Big Bang, not the origination of it. That is the mainstream theory.

Now, your belief that things pop out of nothing into tiny little atoms is not a far cry from apparitions appearing, or a veritable host of paranormal, or spiritual phenomenon, or interactions from a higher realm, perhaps inhabited by higher entities.

You aren't real consistent in your belief system.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149864 Jan 24, 2013
Your type often hide behind censorship.
Eagle12 wrote:
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Mark, I turned in this individual to Topix yesterday.
I would love “Givemeliberty” to stay but he/she will have to refrain from being abusive. I would encourage you to do the same if this individual becomes abusive.

Since: Oct 10

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#149865 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Q: What's white and shoots across the sky?
A: The second coming of Jesus.
So those aren't chemtrails?

*puts foil hat in storage*

Jesus is going to go blind.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149867 Jan 24, 2013
Each and every particle or force generated by that particle ejected outwards increases the size of this universal bubble because it carries a piece of this universe with it. The motion causes it to cut a path and the path gets filled in from where it started. This universe. Those "fields" occupy "space".

Motion is THE force. Something set it all into motion.

Plants grow outward.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149868 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Funny how god ALWAYS values the free will of the child rapist/murderer over the free will of their young innocent victims. How sweet.
Yes, but if know god, you know that a sin is a sin and we are born into sin, so the little bitch had it coming!

Of course the christian doesn't want to come right out and say that, but the bible puts all the pieces out there to see.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149869 Jan 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your type often hide behind censorship.
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Ignorance and censorship are their best allies! Go to just about any 'christian' YouTube and try to vote on their video or make a comment.

"Ratings are disabled for this video."

"Comments are disabled for this video."

OK, you don't want assholes leaving nasty messages, but blocking ratings? WTF? How cowardly can you be? Can't they pray to god for only positive responses? If god can cure cancer, he can certainly stop me from hitting the 'dislike' icon! LOL!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149871 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Accidents do happen.
Yeah, your perfect god has made a few! LOL!

Since: Jan 13

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#149872 Jan 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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:-)
The typical Topix atheist will challenge you to define rationality. Then they will argue about the definition given in the dictionary, stating flatly they are free to define it for themselves as they see fit. Like the term atheism.
They do that a lot. It helps in their logic development process.
To them such is rational.
Most of the arguments I have seen are merely arbitrary claims to knowledge with no rational basis of support...

Since: Jan 13

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#149873 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes.
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Now,*that* is a circular argument. I claim that the decay of a muon is not caused. That is based on observation and theory. You claim otherwise. But you give no demonstration or evidence of its being caused. Essentially, you are assuming every event has a cause. And *that* is a circular argument.
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Like I said, most quantum level behavior is uncaused.
Which version of quantum theory are you presenting?

If something decays, it means it has a prior condition.

Now you can claim that such decay is evidence of a lack of a cause, but that would seem to be very illogical...

So despite this muon (which is questionable), do you have any example of anything else that does not have a cause.

Since: Jan 13

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#149874 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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OK, good. We are making progress.
Now, I had previously shown that there was no life at some point in the past. I note that there is life now.
Take the *earliest* life. Either it was uncaused, or it had a cause. I discount the first possibility because life is not a quantum level phenomenon (although you might be able to argue this point---it would give another example of an uncaused event, though).
So this earliest life had a cause. That cause had to be previous to the earliest life. That means the cause could not be alive (if it were, we would have a contradiction to the *earliest* aspect). In other words, the earliest life had a non-life cause.
There are a couple of ways out of this dilemma for you:
1. Claim that the earliest life did not have a cause.
2. Claim that there was no earliest life, so life has always existed.
The first destroys your 'first cause' claim and the second is contradicted by the conditions of the early universe.
Because you pre-suppose that life was caused by non-life, you have no choice but to arrive at your conclusion...

Since: Jan 13

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#149875 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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This is part of why I asked you for the definition of the term 'cause'. By all the definitions I have seen for that concept, the decay of a muon has no cause. Perhaps you have a different definition than usual, so I am awaiting your definition of the concept.
Where do you get your assertion that a muon decays without any cause?

Since: Jan 13

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#149876 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Thank you.
I realize it’s hopeless but it’s just down right fun to prove them wrong.
Of course there’s always a chance someone reading that’s on the fence may be persuaded.
That is always the hope.

Have a look at presuppositional apologetics.

Start with Sye Ten Bruggencate, then move to Dr Jason Lisle and finish with the master Greg Bahnsen.

A week with them and you will have no problem dealing with your average militant atheist...
Pat

Granby, CT

#149877 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Try opening the door.
When he shows up and rings the bell I'll open the door.
Pat

Granby, CT

#149878 Jan 24, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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While that's all wrong. But that's ok we don't expected you to understand. After all you're an atheist.
In other words you will ignore whatever conflicts with your little death denial fairytale.
Pat

Granby, CT

#149879 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So you don't believe non life created life then?
I remain open to things I do not have knowledge of, I know an open mind is a radical concept for a theist to grasp but some of us really have one, honest!

Since: Jan 13

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#149880 Jan 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Ignorance and censorship are their best allies! Go to just about any 'christian' YouTube and try to vote on their video or make a comment.
"Ratings are disabled for this video."
"Comments are disabled for this video."
OK, you don't want assholes leaving nasty messages, but blocking ratings? WTF? How cowardly can you be? Can't they pray to god for only positive responses? If god can cure cancer, he can certainly stop me from hitting the 'dislike' icon! LOL!
I think you will find that they turn the comments off because of foul mouthed idiots who think that debating an issue is shouting someone else down with vitriolic arbitrary claims to truth.

Most of the atheists I see on forums like this and on the internet, seem incapable of presenting a reasoned rational argument, that does not involve anything outside of ad hominem...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#149881 Jan 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
My parents did not choose me, they chose to procreate.
LMAO!

You're rising the atheist ranks. You might be able to catch up to that Liberty doofus.
Pat

Granby, CT

#149882 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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It is not a matter of evidence.
It is a matter of your pre-suppositions precluding Gods existance.
And yes, you do have pre-suppositions.
Stop lying and making excuses and just provide one fact that distinguishes your god from an imaginary god.

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