Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#149850 Jan 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yes you do.
Hell is a myth.
I don't fear myths.
You do.
You can repeat it a thousand times, Aero, but that doesn't make it true.

I don't fear hell.

Since: Jan 13

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#149851 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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You are insinuating a women taken in captivity and married is a sex slave. I respectfully disagree.“Without any consent” is your words and those words are not in the bible in reference to this subject. A assumption on your part and not factual.
The only way a marriage will work is if both parties willingly agree. And both parties are lovingly bonded.
Genesis 24:48-51, 58-67
Here we find of an example where the wife to be is asked.
So they called Rebekah and asked her,
“Do you wish to go with this man?”
She answered,“I do.”
Here is an example where the woman was asked about marriage.
Genesis 2
“The Lord God said:“It is not good for the man to be alone.”
“I will make a suitable partner for him.”
“That is why a man leaves his father and mother
and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body.”
Here we have a reference to a partner and a partnership.
Proverbs 31 gives details as to what a wife means.
10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
Good response, but they won't be interested, their anti-God goggles preclude a rational consideration of the texts.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149852 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Its called rationality I believe.:-)
lol :-)
:-)

The typical Topix atheist will challenge you to define rationality. Then they will argue about the definition given in the dictionary, stating flatly they are free to define it for themselves as they see fit. Like the term atheism.

They do that a lot. It helps in their logic development process.

To them such is rational.

Since: Apr 09

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#149853 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Can you for once answer a question or is dodging hen all you are able to do?
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Its all he does...

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149854 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Mark, I turned in this individual to Topix yesterday.
I would love “Givemeliberty” to stay but he/she will have to refrain from being abusive. I would encourage you to do the same if this individual becomes abusive.
Eagle!!

Whatever are you doing? He is THE poster child for Topix atheist intellectual development and maturation.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149855 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Do muons decay?
Yes.
If so, then that implies cause...
Now,*that* is a circular argument. I claim that the decay of a muon is not caused. That is based on observation and theory. You claim otherwise. But you give no demonstration or evidence of its being caused. Essentially, you are assuming every event has a cause. And *that* is a circular argument.
Do you have another example of something that does not have a cause?
Like I said, most quantum level behavior is uncaused.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149856 Jan 24, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Was it my free will to be born?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to be born in the 1960's?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to be born in Pittsburgh, PA?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to be born into the family that I was?
Nope that was your parents free will
As a child, was it my free will to attend the church that I did?
Nope, in this country you're not given that kind of free will until you reach the age of 18.(You didn't this?)
As a child, was it my free will to attend the schools that I did?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to have the teachers that I had?
Nope that was your schools district free will to hire who they wanted.
If you were not an idiot troll, I would thank you for proving my point.

My parents did not choose me, they chose to procreate.

Unless my parents create souls, it was not their free will to make me.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149857 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You are right, but your first premise was faulty...
Which should have been my point.
I stand corrected.
OK, good. We are making progress.

Now, I had previously shown that there was no life at some point in the past. I note that there is life now.

Take the *earliest* life. Either it was uncaused, or it had a cause. I discount the first possibility because life is not a quantum level phenomenon (although you might be able to argue this point---it would give another example of an uncaused event, though).

So this earliest life had a cause. That cause had to be previous to the earliest life. That means the cause could not be alive (if it were, we would have a contradiction to the *earliest* aspect). In other words, the earliest life had a non-life cause.

There are a couple of ways out of this dilemma for you:

1. Claim that the earliest life did not have a cause.

2. Claim that there was no earliest life, so life has always existed.

The first destroys your 'first cause' claim and the second is contradicted by the conditions of the early universe.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149858 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Do muons decay?
If so, then that implies cause...
This is part of why I asked you for the definition of the term 'cause'. By all the definitions I have seen for that concept, the decay of a muon has no cause. Perhaps you have a different definition than usual, so I am awaiting your definition of the concept.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149859 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Good response, but they won't be interested, their anti-God goggles preclude a rational consideration of the texts.
Thank you.

I realize it’s hopeless but it’s just down right fun to prove them wrong.

Of course there’s always a chance someone reading that’s on the fence may be persuaded.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149860 Jan 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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If you were not an idiot troll, I would thank you for proving my point.
My parents did not choose me, they chose to procreate.
Unless my parents create souls, it was not their free will to make me.
Accidents do happen.

Since: Dec 11

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#149861 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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You are insinuating a women taken in captivity and married is a sex slave. I respectfully disagree.“Without any consent” is your words and those words are not in the bible in reference to this subject. A assumption on your part and not factual.
The woman is a CAPTIVE. There is no assumption needed that the process is non-consensual. "You killed my husband/father/brothers and took me as a prisoner...I'd love to marry you!"

The law even provides an instant divorce allowed if the woman does not sufficiently PLEASE him. "If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her."

If this was a consensual marriage, then why would she be considered dishonored?

This is consistent with other laws like Deut 22:28, where a man's punishment for rape is that he must marry his victim. Do you believe a woman would really want to marry her rapist and continue to have conjugal relations with him?

Or Exodus 21:7, where fathers may sell their daughters as wives (again, no consent involved).
Eagle12 wrote:
Here we find of an example where the wife to be is asked.
Having an example where the woman is asked does not nullify the examples where the women are clearly not asked.

Since: Dec 11

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#149862 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Good response, but they won't be interested, their anti-God goggles preclude a rational consideration of the texts.
Ah yes, the 'rational consideration' that a woman captured by her family's murderers would consent to marriage with one of them.

The 'rational consideration' that requires we ignore all historical context of the era and the culture in which women were little more than property and men had control over women's sexuality.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149863 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes.
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Now,*that* is a circular argument. I claim that the decay of a muon is not caused. That is based on observation and theory. You claim otherwise. But you give no demonstration or evidence of its being caused. Essentially, you are assuming every event has a cause. And *that* is a circular argument.
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Like I said, most quantum level behavior is uncaused.
Poly, the prevailing theory is that something expanded and blew a big bubble, condensing something into matter that became those particles and their derivatives, including us. The interactions of these particles keeps blowing the bubble bigger. Perhaps because redirected motion. They got to bouncing around from gravity, or the pressure on the bubble.

The universe is a container. All particles are contained in it. All of them interact via some force. These "uncaused" actions have to have a cause within this container. Each and every particle feels each other gravitationally if not electromagnetically. This works on the innards of an atom. Causes an assumed uncaused event. Virtual "particles" included.

That's the nature of the physical world. Atoms were caused by the Big Bang, not the origination of it. That is the mainstream theory.

Now, your belief that things pop out of nothing into tiny little atoms is not a far cry from apparitions appearing, or a veritable host of paranormal, or spiritual phenomenon, or interactions from a higher realm, perhaps inhabited by higher entities.

You aren't real consistent in your belief system.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149864 Jan 24, 2013
Your type often hide behind censorship.
Eagle12 wrote:
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Mark, I turned in this individual to Topix yesterday.
I would love “Givemeliberty” to stay but he/she will have to refrain from being abusive. I would encourage you to do the same if this individual becomes abusive.

Since: Oct 10

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#149865 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Q: What's white and shoots across the sky?
A: The second coming of Jesus.
So those aren't chemtrails?

*puts foil hat in storage*

Jesus is going to go blind.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149867 Jan 24, 2013
Each and every particle or force generated by that particle ejected outwards increases the size of this universal bubble because it carries a piece of this universe with it. The motion causes it to cut a path and the path gets filled in from where it started. This universe. Those "fields" occupy "space".

Motion is THE force. Something set it all into motion.

Plants grow outward.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149868 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Funny how god ALWAYS values the free will of the child rapist/murderer over the free will of their young innocent victims. How sweet.
Yes, but if know god, you know that a sin is a sin and we are born into sin, so the little bitch had it coming!

Of course the christian doesn't want to come right out and say that, but the bible puts all the pieces out there to see.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149869 Jan 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your type often hide behind censorship.
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Ignorance and censorship are their best allies! Go to just about any 'christian' YouTube and try to vote on their video or make a comment.

"Ratings are disabled for this video."

"Comments are disabled for this video."

OK, you don't want assholes leaving nasty messages, but blocking ratings? WTF? How cowardly can you be? Can't they pray to god for only positive responses? If god can cure cancer, he can certainly stop me from hitting the 'dislike' icon! LOL!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149871 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Accidents do happen.
Yeah, your perfect god has made a few! LOL!

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