Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149801 Jan 24, 2013
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/psychopath
psy·cho·path n.

A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#149802 Jan 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I am troubled by the quality of maturity, rationality, and intellect that has recently gathered on this forum. People such as mtimber and EmpAtheist, among others.
The quality is too high. It's unnatural for this forum.
Something must be happening.
Gee, dude.

For me, the scrollin' is easy.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#149803 Jan 24, 2013
Your god ordered infants sucking at their mother's teat to be out to the sword.

Your god ordered his people rape and capture women of places they went to war with. Raping a non believer was fine with your god. Raping a believer cost you 50 sheckles.

Your god proudly advocated slavery even Jesus and Paul in the NT advocates slavery even commanding a run away to return to his Christian master.

Are these factual occurrences in the bible moral or immoral?
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are talking about abortion, I think it's immoral in most cases especially as birth control.
Rape was against the law and still is.
Slaves were permitted this is true but not by kidnapping.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#149804 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Your god ordered infants sucking at their mother's teat to be out to the sword.
Your god ordered his people rape and capture women of places they went to war with. Raping a non believer was fine with your god. Raping a believer cost you 50 sheckles.
Your god proudly advocated slavery even Jesus and Paul in the NT advocates slavery even commanding a run away to return to his Christian master.
Are these factual occurrences in the bible moral or immoral?
<quoted text>
I am sure the Creator will feel properly chastised by your moralizing if and when you meet.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149805 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Your god ordered infants sucking at their mother's teat to be out to the sword.
Your god ordered his people rape and capture women of places they went to war with. Raping a non believer was fine with your god. Raping a believer cost you 50 sheckles.
Your god proudly advocated slavery even Jesus and Paul in the NT advocates slavery even commanding a run away to return to his Christian master.
Are these factual occurrences in the bible moral or immoral?
<quoted text>
Rape was illegal and yes it’s immoral. Punishable by death in the bible. God never ordered anyone to be raped, ever. Name one person that God ordered to be raped.

Herod the Great ordered the killing of children a fact that eludes you which makes me think if it is ordered by man then you think it’s moral. If it is ordered by God you think it’s immoral.

Pharaoh ordered the killing of children. You never mentioned that.

The United States killed children by dropping the A-bomb. You never mentioned that.

The ATF and FBI killed children in Waco. You never said anything about that.

Timothy McVeigh killed children in Oklahoma City, no mention of that.

Then the Newtown incident, no word from you on that issue.

I think the killing of children is immoral regardless who or when. If God ordered me in war to do so I would try to plead to spare them. It has been proven that a righteous man can plead before God and negotiate with him.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#149806 Jan 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
Was it my free will to be born?

Was it my free will to be born in the 1960's?

Was it my free will to be born in Pittsburgh, PA?

Was it my free will to be born into the family that I was?

As a child, was it my free will to attend the church that I did?

As a child, was it my free will to attend the schools that I did?

Was it my free will to have the teachers that I had?

All these things greatly influenced my decisions; yet according to believers, your god arranged all that for me. That is not free will, that is programming.
Was it my free will to be born?

Nope that was your parents free will

Was it my free will to be born in the 1960's?

Nope that was your parents free will

Was it my free will to be born in Pittsburgh, PA?

Nope that was your parents free will

Was it my free will to be born into the family that I was?

Nope that was your parents free will

As a child, was it my free will to attend the church that I did?

Nope, in this country you're not given that kind of free will until you reach the age of 18.(You didn't this?)

As a child, was it my free will to attend the schools that I did?

Nope that was your parents free will

Was it my free will to have the teachers that I had?

Nope that was your schools district free will to hire who they wanted.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#149807 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Ah another Christian liar! Before when I mocked your name you berated me saying it was a Russian word and you know it. Now you when proven wrong resort to lying.

As expected typical Christhole.

Well so back to my original comment your screen name is stolen from a stupid made for TV movie! How lame! Stop scampering.

Once again I have factually crushed you half wit.
Why that's just too funny! You wasted all this time and effort over one little remark I made. I never claimed it was a Russian word, I said you don't know what it means in Russian. I did not say I knew what it meant. LOL

I played a little word game that atheist play all the time. LOL

Keep digging! Someday you'll wake up.

LOL

What a dolt.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#149808 Jan 24, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Was it my free will to be born?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to be born in the 1960's?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to be born in Pittsburgh, PA?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to be born into the family that I was?
Nope that was your parents free will
As a child, was it my free will to attend the church that I did?
Nope, in this country you're not given that kind of free will until you reach the age of 18.(You didn't this?)
As a child, was it my free will to attend the schools that I did?
Nope that was your parents free will
Was it my free will to have the teachers that I had?
Nope that was your schools district free will to hire who they wanted.
So why does the free will of a child rapist/murderer always take precedence over the free will of the innocent child that gets killed? Is the essence of your religion injustice?
Pat

East Granby, CT

#149809 Jan 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure the Creator will feel properly chastised by your moralizing if and when you meet.
I've invited him over but he never shows.....

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149810 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
I've invited him over but he never shows.....
Try opening the door.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#149811 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Try opening the door.
Did that.

A couple of Jehovah's witnesses walked it.

God? Not a trace.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149812 Jan 24, 2013
Science, by its own methodology cannot disprove God. The use of instruments and science's preoccupation with them as tools to study the nature of reality teaches only one important lesson: These instruments are useful only in measuring the level of reality in which they themselves exist. Period.

In studying the deeper realities within and behind the universe, these instruments are not only useless but misleading. So-called objective science gives you a model that enables travel to the moon and technological conveniences, but it will eventually run into its own "objective" brick wall because it must by the nature of its methodology constantly ignore what it cannot measure and test. To get at the blueprints of reality, to get behind the camouflage universe, the physical illusion, science must divest itself of its exclusive focus on the physical.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#149813 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>So why does the free will of a child rapist/murderer always take precedence over the free will of the innocent child that gets killed? Is the essence of your religion injustice?
While that's all wrong. But that's ok we don't expected you to understand. After all you're an atheist.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#149814 Jan 24, 2013
Ever figure out what a deist is? Wow you really humiliated yourself there :))

As usual.

So anyways Mr. Magnets and strings proves god, how goes your garage experiments? Do stay away from sharp objects Gramps, next time they my not be able to reattach your fingers when you chop them off.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure the Creator will feel properly chastised by your moralizing if and when you meet.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149815 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't argue against god so yuor point is pointless. I make no claims about the existence of any gods because there is no knowledge to base any claims on. I simply say that YOUR claim of a giod is without merit and unproven, not that it has been proven false.
"Life comes from non-life, if you don't accept this you are ignorant."
Is that all you dishonest godbots have to offer are lies about atheists? I hold no opinion as to how life on earth began since there is no evidence to support any conclusion. The only one with a closed mind who has come to a premature conclusion based on a lack of information (ignorance) is the theist. Stop projecting your dishonesyt and ignorance onto the honest atheists who have the ability to admit not knowing what they don't know.
So you don't believe non life created life then?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149816 Jan 24, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, one fact, just one mesley fact as to how your god differs from an imaginary god.
It is not a matter of evidence.

It is a matter of your pre-suppositions precluding Gods existance.

And yes, you do have pre-suppositions.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#149817 Jan 24, 2013
Nope your god commanded his people to rape women as spoils of war and you know it. So you admit god was immoral. Why worship such an immoral monster?

As expected you ran away from god advocating slavery. Lol! Why are you scared to answer this?

And show historically where king Herod ordered children slain? Let me guess the bible myth! Lmfao!

All your child death examples are off topic and a desperate attempt to dodge the fact that your god ordered his followers to put every infant to the sword. Again is this moral or not?

You don't argue with god you idiot! According to your bible myth even remotely doing that brings curses upon you just ask John the Baptist's Daddy.

As usual you don't know your own bible and require atheists to school you on it.

Cowardly old daffy dodging questions as expected.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Rape was illegal and yes it’s immoral. Punishable by death in the bible. God never ordered anyone to be raped, ever. Name one person that God ordered to be raped.
Herod the Great ordered the killing of children a fact.
I think the killing of children is immoral regardless who or when. If God ordered me in war to do so I would try to plead to spare them. It has been proven that a righteous man can plead before God and negotiate with him.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149818 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that was NOT my argument.
My argument had two branches: either life has always existed or there was a time when it did not.
I then argued that life did not always exist. I did this by showing that the conditions for life did not exist at some point in the past. So there was a time when life did not exist.
We know that life exists now. So, since there was a time when life did not exist, the cause of the earliest life, being prior to that life, had to be non-life.
P1: If life didn't exist at one point, then life must have come from non-life.
P2: Life didn't exist at one point.
C: Life came from non-life.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149819 Jan 24, 2013
^^Totally circular...

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#149820 Jan 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Rape was illegal and yes it’s immoral. Punishable by death in the bible. God never ordered anyone to be raped, ever. Name one person that God ordered to be raped.
The god of the OT explicitly allows Israelites to take girls captured in war and make them their wives *without any consent*. Wives were expected to service their husbands sexually.

The Israelites did not view this as rape because women were essentially the property of their husbands.

But I know, and you know, that it's rape.

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