Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#149600 Jan 23, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"God has given us the freedom to make choices
April 08, 2011|Bob Lind | Saturday Sermon
One of the stories in the Bible that has always fascinated me is the account of the conversation between Jesus and the man who has become known as the rich young ruler. The account is recorded in three of the books of the Bible. You can read it in Matthew 19:16-30, Mark 10:17-31 and Luke 18:18-30.
There has been great dispute over the meaning of this incident, especially when Jesus said,“... a rich man shall hardly enter into the Kingdom of heaven.” And again,“I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.” We will talk about these things later. But this is not what attracted me to this passage. The most surprising and revealing thing in this incident is not what Jesus did and said, but what he did not do.
Look at the story again. What did Jesus say to the young man when he sadly turned and walked away from Jesus? He was unwilling to pay the price Jesus asked. The most revealing thing to me is that Jesus said nothing. When the man rejected Jesus’ terms, Jesus did not coax, bargain, preach or shout threats at him.
Jesus simply watched the man walk away. Then he went about his business with his disciples. There is a lesson here for us.
Jesus knew God had set before this young man a course of conduct. He not only could choose, he had to choose. Then, he had to live with the consequences of his choice. He had alternatives.
Each alternative had consequences. God does not say to us,“You must choose this one.” Rather, he says,“Choose this one and such and such will happen.” But he leaves the choice with us. We are free to choose. The only thing he requires is that once we walk through the door of one of the alternatives, we must be prepared to live with the consequences.
God gives us choices. Then he gives us the absolute free choice of which path we will take. He doesn’t present these choices with malice, but out of his sincere desire to make it possible for us to live as true people of God. Many don’t understand this freedom God gives us. The thing God understands and we don’t is that we have no freedom unless we are free to choose.
If you put a child in a room with a jar of candy and tell him not to touch the jar, the child has a choice. If instead we lock that jar in a cabinet and tell the child not to touch it, the child has no choice.
This is the way it is with God and us. If God removed from us all bad choices, we would have no freedom at all. We would not be individuals striving to find a better way. We would be nothing but robots. If we are not given a choice, we have no freedom to choose. God created us to be free.
God gives us choices and the consequence of each one. He has given us the perfect freedom to choose. The rest is up to us."
What a crock.

So, when Jesus told his disciple Peter that he would deny him three times by the time the cock crew, what was that, free will, prophecy, or a "divine decree"?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#149601 Jan 23, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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That's a nice homily, but it entirely misses the point.
If the future is knowable, then fate exists. If fate exists, then free will is impossible. Thus, if God knows everyone's fate, then free will is impossible. Simple as that.
Just because God knows what choices you will make doesn't mean He makes those choices for you.

Simple as that.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149602 Jan 23, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>HA HA HA! in that case Ill be camping out over on the other side the island with Wilson!
Just hope she doesn't come over there with a club with the intent of making you her woman.

“Ditat Deus”

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#149603 Jan 23, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Yours is an argument from ignorance not logic.
He asked "What caused matter, energy, time, life, reasoning, logic and morality to appear?"

You don't see that as a logical question?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149604 Jan 23, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Yours is an argument from ignorance not logic.
Prepared off the shelf response we have heard a million times.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#149605 Jan 23, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Is there a reason why atheist can't imagine a better irony meter?
It seems that yours breaks way to easy.
I've been working on one that uses a logarithmic scale, a bit like the Mercalli scale used to measure the intensity of earthquakes. With a little luck and substantial investment, it should be ready for the market later this year.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149606 Jan 23, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Honest people say "I don't know" to things not known, dishonest people say god.
Everyone who believes in God is dishonest is that so?

And you are honest and a perfect example of honesty?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149607 Jan 23, 2013
Pat wrote:
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You claim a god then you prove a god or accept you are a liar.
It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln
Nice quote, however history tells us that Abraham Lincoln believed in God and God was mentioned in several of his speeches. There’s plenty written about the 16th President to verify that fact.

Wiki:

Abraham Lincoln's religious beliefs are a matter of debate. Lincoln grew up in a highly religious family, but never joined any church. As a young man he was a skeptic. He frequently referenced God and quoted the Bible; he accompanied his wife and children to Protestant services, and after the deaths of two children became more intensely concerned with God's plan for mankind. He was private about his beliefs and respected the beliefs of others. Lincoln never made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs; he did believe in an all-powerful God that shaped events and, by 1865, was expressing those beliefs in major speeches.

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#149608 Jan 23, 2013
AntiFreakMachine wrote:
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What a crock.
So, when Jesus told his disciple Peter that he would deny him three times by the time the cock crew, what was that, free will, prophecy, or a "divine decree"?
Should have been: What a crock.
So, when Jesus told his disciple Peter that he would deny him three times by the time the cock >CROWED<, what was that, free will, prophecy, or a "divine decree"?

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#149609 Jan 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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People like you look at a rock and say "I'll bet that could come alive."
ugh
People like me look at at a rock and ask, how much?

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#149610 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Just hope she doesn't come over there with a club with the intent of making you her woman.
LMAO!

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#149611 Jan 23, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>I've been working on one that uses a logarithmic scale, a bit like the Mercalli scale used to measure the intensity of earthquakes. With a little luck and substantial investment, it should be ready for the market later this year.
Good to hear.
Danzig

Borås, Sweden

#149612 Jan 23, 2013
Here's something for the seeker of truth.

"Alkuajatus is your guide and the truth is your reward."

http://www.amazon.com/Alkuajatus-The-Original...
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#149613 Jan 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Just because God knows what choices you will make doesn't mean He makes those choices for you.
Simple as that.
IF god created ALL
he created your future also,
NO free will

simple indeed
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#149614 Jan 23, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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To move outside of space and time through special pleading would of course be illogical.
But if that claim was proven, then it would make sense to accept it.
If God is eternal, then time is something He is outside of.
If He is outside of time then He can predict what happens in time.
Through the revelation of prophecy in the scripture, He revealed Himself and gave man this mechanism to test Him against.
He passed that test, proving that He is outside of time as the Creator God would need to be.
So yes, He has proved Himself to all that are reasonable and open to proof on the matter.
god cant be outside of time heres why

God is defined as The Conscious First Cause -
The First Cause is That which caused Time
Consciousness is that which lets one make a decision.
A Decision is the action of changing ones mind from undecided to decided.
Time is the measure of change.

Something which is caused can't be required by that which causes it.

Time is required for Change,
A Decision is a Change.
Decisions require Time.
Consciousness can't let one make a decision without Time.
Consciousness requires Time.
God is Conscious.
God requires Time.
God can't be the cause of Time if God requires Time.
God isn't the cause of Time.
God isn't The First Cause.

Since: Sep 10

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#149615 Jan 23, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Everyone who believes in God is dishonest is that so?
Dude. You should have placed a period after dishonest, then asked the question.

What's the matter with you?

Since: Apr 12

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#149616 Jan 23, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>god cant be outside of time heres why

God is defined as The Conscious First Cause -
The First Cause is That which caused Time
Consciousness is that which lets one make a decision.
A Decision is the action of changing ones mind from undecided to decided.
Time is the measure of change.

Something which is caused can't be required by that which causes it.

Time is required for Change,
A Decision is a Change.
Decisions require Time.
Consciousness can't let one make a decision without Time.
Consciousness requires Time.
God is Conscious.
God requires Time.
God can't be the cause of Time if God requires Time.
God isn't the cause of Time.
God isn't The First Cause.
You some how seem to believe that God must adhere to your line if reasoning. What a hoot!

Pretty funny.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#149617 Jan 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Just because God knows what choices you will make doesn't mean He makes those choices for you.
Simple as that.
It has nothing to do with making choices for you. It has to do with omniscience and freewill.

For any future act you will perform, if some being infallibly believed in the past that the act would occur, there is nothing you can do now about the fact that he believed what he believed since nobody has any control over past events; nor can you make him mistaken in his belief, given that he is infallible. Therefore, there is nothing you can do now about the fact that he believed in a way that cannot be mistaken that you would do what you will do. But if so, you cannot do otherwise than what he believed you would do. And if you cannot do otherwise, you will not perform the act freely.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#149618 Jan 23, 2013
Serah

Australia

#149619 Jan 23, 2013
AntiFreakMachine wrote:
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What a crock.
So, when Jesus told his disciple Peter that he would deny him three times by the time the cock crew, what was that, free will, prophecy, or a "divine decree"?
LOL.. not that hard to work out, especially if you know how to use a dictionary :)

***prophecy - definition of prophecy by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/prophecy
a. An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will. b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration***

So, a prediction of the future is what? Have you learned something today??

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