Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149485 Jan 23, 2013
There's a priest in it- occupying his Wall Street.
Adam wrote:
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Linc, what happened to turn the other cheek ;)

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#149486 Jan 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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The difference is, of course, that this is part of one of the best predictive theories we have ever had. So, yes, you *can* prove this in the real world via observation and testing.
Under carefully contrived and controlled experiments?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149487 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Under carefully contrived and controlled experiments?
Yes. In experiments that easily *could* give results contrary to what QM predicts, the actual results agree with QM. That often involves very elaborate devices to detect the results. Sorry if that offends you.

But, the results of QM also work even in the 'wild'. It is at the heart of our understanding of solids, for example: why do metals conduct electricity bu elements like sulfur do not? How to atomic bonds form? Why do materials react to light the way they do?

Once again, quantum mechanics is part of the best predictive theory of physics we have ever had.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#149488 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Under carefully contrived and controlled experiments?
Experiments carefully contrived and controlled so as to falsify, yes.

They don't.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#149489 Jan 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes. In experiments that easily *could* give results contrary to what QM predicts, the actual results agree with QM. That often involves very elaborate devices to detect the results. Sorry if that offends you.
But, the results of QM also work even in the 'wild'. It is at the heart of our understanding of solids, for example: why do metals conduct electricity bu elements like sulfur do not? How to atomic bonds form? Why do materials react to light the way they do?
Once again, quantum mechanics is part of the best predictive theory of physics we have ever had.
How does QM disprove a deity or higher intelligence creating this existence we have?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#149490 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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How does QM disprove a deity or higher intelligence creating this existence we have?
Cause the Bible or the Quran is really written by or inspired by a God, would have stuff brainy like QM, electricity, atoms, germs, bacteria, cures for cancer, etc.

Instead it is written exactly as you would expect by goat herders and fishermen of the 1st century ;)

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#149491 Jan 23, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Cause the Bible or the Quran is really written by or inspired by a God, would have stuff brainy like QM, electricity, atoms, germs, bacteria, cures for cancer, etc.
Instead it is written exactly as you would expect by goat herders and fishermen of the 1st century ;)
Are your mental issues caused by God or QM?
Lincoln

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#149492 Jan 23, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Cause the Bible or the Quran is really written by or inspired by a God, would have stuff brainy like QM, electricity, atoms, germs, bacteria, cures for cancer, etc.
Instead it is written exactly as you would expect by goat herders and fishermen of the 1st century ;)
Entertaining, if illogical...you move from one generalization to another.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#149493 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Are your mental issues caused by God or QM?
I dont have any mental issues. Thanks for the concern ;)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#149494 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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How does QM disprove a deity or higher intelligence creating this existence we have?
It doesn't make any claim one way or the other about this. But it *does* show the faults of many of the arguments claiming to prove the existence of deities. For example, the 'first cause' argument assumes some things about causality that are known to be wrong. But that only shows the argument is fallacious, not that the conclusion is wrong.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#149495 Jan 23, 2013
madscot wrote:
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It has nothing to do with omnipotence. It has to do with omniscience. If God know's what you're going to do before you do it you have no choice but to do it. If you have freewill, then God doesn't/can't know what you will do before you do it.
You're wrong. God knows all that you will, might or could do. That does not in any way mean He controls what you will, might or could do. He's the passenger, you're the driver.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#149496 Jan 23, 2013
Thinking wrote:
So you're dishonest?
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No. I don't break the law. Simple.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#149497 Jan 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Control through fear.
That is what religion is all about.
Sucker.
Then I'm doing it wrong. I don't fear God.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149499 Jan 23, 2013
You're simple and wrong.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No. I don't break the law. Simple.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#149500 Jan 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're wrong. God knows all that you will, might or could do.
Which one, the trinty God of xiainty, Allah, Yahweh, Woden, Thor, Saturn, Zeus?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#149501 Jan 23, 2013
Kind of like an imaginary friend or a self reflection of what you think is god yes?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're wrong. God knows all that you will, might or could do. That does not in any way mean He controls what you will, might or could do. He's the passenger, you're the driver.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149502 Jan 23, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
mtimber wrote:
That is true, my brain has been washed of secular nonsense and illogical worldviews that serve no purpose other than to justify rebellion against the Creator.
You're confusing rebellion with rejection. I reject your claims of a creator god. I reject all god claims.
mtimber wrote:
So yes, there is nothing you can do for me.
Unless of course you could show empirically that arockdidit.
Why would I do that?

Would it be too much to ask for a little sophistication?
How sophisticated do you need to be, to argue nonlife became life...

arockdidit encapsulates your problems quite appropriately.

If you want a little more sophistication, how about:

lotsofrocksdiditwithaboltoflig hting...

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#149503 Jan 23, 2013
Why are having this debate. Every body knows the universe was created 5000 years ago when a hedge hog farted.

Source:

Since: Jan 13

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#149504 Jan 23, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Which one, the trinty God of xiainty, Allah, Yahweh, Woden, Thor, Saturn, Zeus?
Not all God claims are equal, you realise that don't you?

Only the one that can account for "everything" is the one who is logically plausible.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149505 Jan 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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It doesn't make any claim one way or the other about this. But it *does* show the faults of many of the arguments claiming to prove the existence of deities. For example, the 'first cause' argument assumes some things about causality that are known to be wrong. But that only shows the argument is fallacious, not that the conclusion is wrong.
Which of the 10 odd theories or positions on quantum mechanics are you appealing to?

And are you denying the universe has a cause?

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