Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Thinking]

Agreed. But religion was used to justify slavery, much like trade laws are applied to oppress today.

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> I don't think we can blame religion entirely.
We must blame ignorance and greed and the nature of predation itself.
We do learn though , hopefully I mean, though we can I do think blame religion for regression of learning.

[Clementia]

Thinking wrote:

Exactly. That's why morals today are different to 500 years ago.
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No, they were not! i have proof, coz that is when Sikhism was started! That religion which said women can do what men can do!! no slavery, no rape etc.....

[TheBlackSheep]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text>
Adam felt shame of his nakedness.
This is a hint of exactly what you say.

When was that story first told? Certainly not when it supposedly happened!

[Wrathbone]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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You have so much wrong in this post , it doesn't follow anything.
Atoms are predictable and defined, particles are subject to unpredictability or more correctly uncertainty.
But they are predictable when observed, because observation collapses the wave and forces a pinpoint location.
Atoms are particles following set processes, and defined parameters for them to exist they have to be somewhat stable.
We give them atomic mass and numbers to identify them.
Their components are defined and predictable.

It's been stated in theory that although tachyons (faster than light particles) cannot be observed, their radiation which travels much slower can. This radiation, then, the theoretical carrier of information is all science could gather about tachyons or similar particles.

It is impossible, even in principle, to predict the behavior of any single atom; all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms. Further, Quantum theory holds that a vacuum, like atoms, is subject to quantum uncertainties. This means that things can materialize out of the vacuum of space. While this phenomenon has never been observed directly, measurements of the electron's magnetic strength imply that it is real and happening even now. This is how the non-physical is made physical, or spirit is made flesh.

Moreover, many physicists now think it untenable to consider that each condition or event in the universe embodies the same kind of time. Physicists and parapsychologists have suggested various sorts of minute and undiscovered entities (mindons, psychons, psitrons, and so forth) that can move backward in time relative to our conscious conception of what time is, or that are at least free of our idea of time that flows inevitably forward.

[Clementia]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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Where are you from?

i'm from England! I'm a sikh from punjab! Guru nanak spoke out against these stupid religious things and so did sooo many saints, since the beginning of hinduism, saints have been fighting, day and night, to change these stupid people!!

I know morality does not change! only society does!

u forgot me that easily, sheepy boy?

[Tide with Beach]

mtimber wrote:

I know you believe that morality is evolved, but you have not thought that through.

I wonder if you've thought about it at all.

mtimber wrote:

Morality then, is merely that which is expedient to the greater number of individuals.

Not even close.

mtimber wrote:

Expediency then does not supply good or evil, right or wrong, it just supplies itself.

One of us is confused.

mtimber wrote:

You are confusing the godidit argument (akin to the atheistic arockdidit) with the transcendental argument for Gods existence, two separate arguments.

Do you believe that your god gave humanity morality? That's a goddidit answer. It works as well with any number of deities.

mtimber wrote:

You also now have placed morality squarely back in the individuals hands.
So now which individual is right morally?

Here we go. You need a basis for measuring morality. If you have two moral codes, to compare them, you need to break each down into their most fundamental values. If those basic values are not the same, you can't measure which code best follows those most fundamental values.

mtimber wrote:

The one with the most votes?

No.

mtimber wrote:

Because if that is your standard, you have a problem.

Oh, good. I'd hate to have a problem.

mtimber wrote:

Hitler gained the most votes, therefore, according to your logic, he was morally right...

You didn't wait to get my answer. It was no.

[TheBlackSheep]

Clementia wrote:

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No, they were not! i have proof, coz that is when Sikhism was started! That religion which said women can do what men can do!! no slavery, no rape etc.....

So, you say that the Earth is billions of years old, but Sikhism is only 500-years-old? That should give you a clue about your religion.

[Thinking]

Yawn. Sikh terrorists caused the worst atrocity in Canadian aviation history. Maybe your morality remains forever the same as theirs, but mine does not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

Clementia wrote:

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No, they were not! i have proof, coz that is when Sikhism was started! That religion which said women can do what men can do!! no slavery, no rape etc.....

[TheBlackSheep]

Clementia wrote:

<quoted text>
i'm from England! I'm a sikh from punjab! Guru nanak spoke out against these stupid religious things and so did sooo many saints, since the beginning of hinduism, saints have been fighting, day and night, to change these stupid people!!
I know morality does not change! only society does!
u forgot me that easily, sheepy boy?

Were you born in England? If so, where were your parents or grandparents born?

[Aura Mytha]

Thinking wrote:

Agreed. But religion was used to justify slavery, much like trade laws are applied to oppress today.
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Religion was used by many to justify what ever end. That I also agree. And yes greed and predation overrule all thought of equality. Even now, but this is more reason why government must never pull the teeth of the people, lest it become greater than all morality, and the thought of liberty gone and forgotten . Like Hitler the world becomes dead and buried, in the wake of the predator.

[Clementia]

Tide with Beach wrote:

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I don't know who has what amount of empathy. I can only look at behavior.
People who have everything that they need, and live in a relatively free society, would have little reason to harm other people. Even with empathy, a starving person may steal from another very poor person, and that very poor person may kill the starving person, and feel terrible about it. People who feel their own life is in danger will usually not empathize with the person who is threatening their life. To solve the problems, we need to reduce the causes of them. Most of the causes have to do with access to resources and the social environment people live in.
Greater access to resources and stable governments solve all kinds of societal problems.

I agree, that's what i wanted to squeeze outta ya!

People in the west only look good coz they have everything, if they were in the same situation as most people are in india/china they wouldn't look too good.

But believe me tide, there are poor people in the world that would rather starve to death then kill someone and take their food. They are the one's that really know the meaning of empathy.

Also, tide, life is a roller coaster, it has up and down, we will go down and when we do, we will lose our empathy if we don't actually understand it. Governments go up and down!!! Money can not help all the time, u just fall harder the higher up u are!!

[Aura Mytha]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

<quoted text>
When was that story first told? Certainly not when it supposedly happened!

I do agree, but the simple words show knowledge wrought morality, not taught from scripture.

[TheBlackSheep]

Thinking wrote:

Yawn. Sikh terrorists caused the worst atrocity in Canadian aviation history. Maybe your morality remains forever the same as theirs, but mine does not.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182
<quoted text>

I guess; there is no true Sikh! LOL

[Clementia]

Thinking wrote:

Yawn. Sikh terrorists caused the worst atrocity in Canadian aviation history. Maybe your morality remains forever the same as theirs, but mine does not.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182
<quoted text>

i know that!

no, that is the action of immoral people! i told u society can change, not morality, i'm sikh, my religion says they r wrong and my heart says they r wrong!

an american killed children in a school, should i think all american's are evil or they have no morality?

[TheBlackSheep]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> I do agree, but the simple words show knowledge wrought morality, not taught from scripture.

Very well done!

[Thinking]

Most people I know do the right thing. I'm lucky to live where I do.

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> Religion was used by many to justify what ever end. That I also agree. And yes greed and predation overrule all thought of equality. Even now, but this is more reason why government must never pull the teeth of the people, lest it become greater than all morality, and the thought of liberty gone and forgotten . Like Hitler the world becomes dead and buried, in the wake of the predator.

[Clementia]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

<quoted text>
So, you say that the Earth is billions of years old, but Sikhism is only 500-years-old? That should give you a clue about your religion.

first of all, Sikhism says the world is billions of years old!

Secondly, u didn't understand what i was trying to say! but never mind!

[LorenEberly]

Course to Prosperity and Freedom:

Course to prosperity and freedom demands President, Vice President, and Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

Comply with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; Successfully reelecting Obnoxious President, Vice President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That holds Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands makes it IMPOSSIBLE for President and Congress to avoid fiscal cliff. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

[Clementia]

Catcher1 wrote:

<quoted text>
I say it.
And I also say that morality, what's right and wrong, does not change. People may become inured to immorality and shut their eyes to it, but it remains immoral even if the bulk of the society allows it.
There is immorality, in my view, in the U.S. today, and most people unfortunately don't see it as immoral. Yet it is. The very idea of people being homeless and not having enough to eat is immoral.
Someday things may change.

say it with me, Catcher!!!

I agree, 100%!!

u the only one that understands me!! i give u a big hug!!

[Clementia]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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I guess; there is no true Sikh! LOL

No, they were not sikhs of Nanak! But u r always gonna get idiots!!