Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I do agree, but the simple words show knowledge wrought morality, not taught from scripture.
Very well done!
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Most people I know do the right thing. I'm lucky to live where I do.
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<quoted text> Religion was used by many to justify what ever end. That I also agree. And yes greed and predation overrule all thought of equality. Even now, but this is more reason why government must never pull the teeth of the people, lest it become greater than all morality, and the thought of liberty gone and forgotten . Like Hitler the world becomes dead and buried, in the wake of the predator.

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So, you say that the Earth is billions of years old, but Sikhism is only 500-years-old? That should give you a clue about your religion.
first of all, Sikhism says the world is billions of years old!

Secondly, u didn't understand what i was trying to say! but never mind!
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Course to Prosperity and Freedom:

Course to prosperity and freedom demands President, Vice President, and Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

Comply with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; Successfully reelecting Obnoxious President, Vice President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That holds Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands makes it IMPOSSIBLE for President and Congress to avoid fiscal cliff. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

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I say it.
And I also say that morality, what's right and wrong, does not change. People may become inured to immorality and shut their eyes to it, but it remains immoral even if the bulk of the society allows it.
There is immorality, in my view, in the U.S. today, and most people unfortunately don't see it as immoral. Yet it is. The very idea of people being homeless and not having enough to eat is immoral.
Someday things may change.
say it with me, Catcher!!!

I agree, 100%!!

u the only one that understands me!! i give u a big hug!!

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I guess; there is no true Sikh! LOL
No, they were not sikhs of Nanak! But u r always gonna get idiots!!
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Jan 21, 2013
 
You're confusing nationality (American) with your religion (sikh)
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i know that!
no, that is the action of immoral people! i told u society can change, not morality, i'm sikh, my religion says they r wrong and my heart says they r wrong!
an american killed children in a school, should i think all american's are evil or they have no morality?

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
Most people I know do the right thing. I'm lucky to live where I do.
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Yes, you're doing well in League One.

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Were you born in England? If so, where were your parents or grandparents born?
In india, punjab. I told u, i came here when i was like 2yrs.

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Most people I know do the right thing. I'm lucky to live where I do.
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u still enjoying the snow? I'm fed up of it! I want it to rain.

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Thinking wrote:
You're confusing nationality (American) with your religion (sikh)
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O sorry, but i was trying to say that even America has rules, u should not kill etc... but people still do it, how can u blame the law for people's action?

Guru nanak and the saints have said that taking a life is a sin, but if 'sikhs' keep doing it (they done more than the plane crash), u can't blame nanak for this one. It's not like the bible that says slavery is OK.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
I agree, that's what i wanted to squeeze outta ya!
People in the west only look good coz they have everything, if they were in the same situation as most people are in india/china they wouldn't look too good.
But believe me tide, there are poor people in the world that would rather starve to death then kill someone and take their food. They are the one's that really know the meaning of empathy.
Also, tide, life is a roller coaster, it has up and down, we will go down and when we do, we will lose our empathy if we don't actually understand it. Governments go up and down!!! Money can not help all the time, u just fall harder the higher up u are!!
I understand.

When we have access to too many resources, we often lose sight of other things, and it can become a distraction. It can also turn into something sinister, like the irrational greed displayed in some people. Valuing material possessions above human life, to me, is very immoral.

I'm gonna give you a clever clog award!

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Wrathbone wrote:
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It's been stated in theory that although tachyons (faster than light particles) cannot be observed, their radiation which travels much slower can. This radiation, then, the theoretical carrier of information is all science could gather about tachyons or similar particles.
It is impossible, even in principle, to predict the behavior of any single atom; all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms. Further, Quantum theory holds that a vacuum, like atoms, is subject to quantum uncertainties. This means that things can materialize out of the vacuum of space. While this phenomenon has never been observed directly, measurements of the electron's magnetic strength imply that it is real and happening even now. This is how the non-physical is made physical, or spirit is made flesh.
Moreover, many physicists now think it untenable to consider that each condition or event in the universe embodies the same kind of time. Physicists and parapsychologists have suggested various sorts of minute and undiscovered entities (mindons, psychons, psitrons, and so forth) that can move backward in time relative to our conscious conception of what time is, or that are at least free of our idea of time that flows inevitably forward.
Physicists and parapsychologists, do not belong in the same statement. Unless you intend a counter-intuitive meaning.

"all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms"

Well you can ask poly if you like, but I'm pretty sure the periodic table of the elements completely refutes this idea.

Time can move in one direction, how we perceive this forward motion is different than how it may be for a particle itself.

"or spirit is made flesh" You once again delve into fantasy, I cant share it.

But Poly is much smarter than I perhaps he will or can anyway give you better description, He is less prone to math error anyway than I.

You have a very strange mix of science and religion. it's almost scary because you can make up anything like that.

How the non physical is made physical has severe limitation
and is at the sub atomic level. Atoms when exchanging particles
have real world consequences, we call that chemistry , or reaction
and decay, these effects are observable and well defined.
This doesn't correspond with virtual particles and the uncertainty principle, which is at interactions smaller than atoms.


Virtual particles AKA the formation of new particles , we have just begun to understand, but know the Higg's field and its bosons and assorted other particles are the reason. I'm not really sure what you are getting at here? Can you formulate a cohesive narrative to what you are saying?

Because nothing including tachyons are faster than light.

"A tachyon (pron.:/&#712;tęki.&#5 94;n/) or tachyonic particle is a hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical particle that always moves faster than light. The word comes from the Greek: &#964;&#945;&#967; &#973;&#962; or tachys, meaning "swift, quick, fast, rapid", and was coined by Gerald Feinberg in a 1967 paper.[1] Feinberg proposed that tachyonic particles could be quanta of a quantum field with negative squared mass. It was soon realized that excitations of such imaginary mass fields do not in fact propagate faster than light,[2] and instead represent an instability known as tachyon condensation.[3] Nevertheless, they are still commonly referred to as "tachyons",[4] and such fields have come to play an important role in modern physics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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I understand.
When we have access to too many resources, we often lose sight of other things, and it can become a distraction. It can also turn into something sinister, like the irrational greed displayed in some people. Valuing material possessions above human life, to me, is very immoral.
I'm gonna give you a clever clog award!
Aww! OMG,OMG, I haven't even prepared a speech, OMG, can u give it to me when i'm less busy, so i can write a speech to thank people?

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
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He means that in some religions/cultures rape was allowed and IS allowed. When Muslims invaded Indian, The Muslim king (babur), allowed men to rape the women in Indian, they were not punished, they were given awards. So many women were raped, but even at that time there were some Muslims who said it's wrong to rape women.
You think rape is wrong either coz of the society u live in or coz u believe in 'God'. If your government said it is OK to rape a woman. Lots of men in your country and all over the world, would openly start raping women and not fear the law. If a man still does not rape a woman then he is listening to the God within.
Society can change what is right and what is wrong, but God's law has been the same since Hinduism started to this day. It never changes!! Rape was wrong then and rape is wrong now and it'll always be wrong.
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You think rape is wrong either coz of the society u live in or coz u believe in 'God'.
Muslims believe in the same god as christians do. It must be a societal thing.

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Clementia wrote:
Aww! OMG,OMG, I haven't even prepared a speech, OMG, can u give it to me when i'm less busy, so i can write a speech to thank people?
The ceremony won't be for a few days.

You can write the speech on the plane ride over here.

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mtimber wrote:
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Indeed it is stupid.
It gives those who have the greatest power the moral ascendancy.
Hitler was a prime example of the evil of that type of doctrine.
Survival has little to do with power. Those who survive simply adapt to the environment that they inhabit. Hitler wasn't one of the survivors.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Wrathbone wrote:
It is impossible, even in principle, to predict the behavior of any single atom; all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms.
not quite true. Physics can predict exact properties of atoms in energy eigenstates. Physics can also predict the probability of quantities for other states.
Further, Quantum theory holds that a vacuum, like atoms, is subject to quantum uncertainties. This means that things can materialize out of the vacuum of space. While this phenomenon has never been observed directly, measurements of the electron's magnetic strength imply that it is real and happening even now. This is how the non-physical is made physical, or spirit is made flesh.
Well, THAT is a huge jump. A completely physical phenomenon shows how a non-physical phenomenon happens?
Moreover, many physicists now think it untenable to consider that each condition or event in the universe embodies the same kind of time.
Not quite sure what you are claiming here.
Physicists and parapsychologists have suggested various sorts of minute and undiscovered entities (mindons, psychons, psitrons, and so forth) that can move backward in time relative to our conscious conception of what time is, or that are at least free of our idea of time that flows inevitably forward.
LMAO mindons????
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
@Serah....Take a chill pill, woman!! What Horse? Redneck was on a horse? I was telling u to get off your horse. And what is Tmail? Look, I haven't given liberty guy any page number or link, OK!
Look, liberty guy, stop calling Serah names. We are grown up, we don't have to use language like that at each other, understand?....that's a good boy!
Redneck called me a silly goose and a sissy la-la. Words like that are allowed, coz they cute, but not the really offensive ones!
Cheers...... Glad you and Redneck have it sorted out :)

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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Physicists and parapsychologists, do not belong in the same statement. Unless you intend a counter-intuitive meaning.
"all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms"
Well you can ask poly if you like, but I'm pretty sure the periodic table of the elements completely refutes this idea.
Time can move in one direction, how we perceive this forward motion is different than how it may be for a particle itself.
"or spirit is made flesh" You once again delve into fantasy, I cant share it.
But Poly is much smarter than I perhaps he will or can anyway give you better description, He is less prone to math error anyway than I.
You have a very strange mix of science and religion. it's almost scary because you can make up anything like that.
How the non physical is made physical has severe limitation
and is at the sub atomic level. Atoms when exchanging particles
have real world consequences, we call that chemistry , or reaction
and decay, these effects are observable and well defined.
This doesn't correspond with virtual particles and the uncertainty principle, which is at interactions smaller than atoms.
Virtual particles AKA the formation of new particles , we have just begun to understand, but know the Higg's field and its bosons and assorted other particles are the reason. I'm not really sure what you are getting at here? Can you formulate a cohesive narrative to what you are saying?
Because nothing including tachyons are faster than light.
"A tachyon (pron.:/&#712;tęki.&#5 94;n/) or tachyonic particle is a hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical particle that always moves faster than light. The word comes from the Greek: &#964;&#945;&#967; &#973;&#962; or tachys, meaning "swift, quick, fast, rapid", and was coined by Gerald Feinberg in a 1967 paper.[1] Feinberg proposed that tachyonic particles could be quanta of a quantum field with negative squared mass. It was soon realized that excitations of such imaginary mass fields do not in fact propagate faster than light,[2] and instead represent an instability known as tachyon condensation.[3] Nevertheless, they are still commonly referred to as "tachyons",[4] and such fields have come to play an important role in modern physics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon
"You have a very strange mix of science and religion. it's almost scary because you can make up anything like that.

How the non physical is made physical has severe limitation
and is at the sub atomic level. Atoms when exchanging particles
have real world consequences, we call that chemistry , or reaction
and decay, these effects are observable and well defined.
This doesn't correspond with virtual particles and the uncertainty principle, which is at interactions smaller than atoms.

Virtual particles AKA the formation of new particles , we have just begun to understand, but know the Higg's field and its bosons and assorted other particles are the reason. I'm not really sure what you are getting at here? Can you formulate a cohesive narrative to what you are saying? "

Talking to yourself again?

I think Polymath believes in virtual particles, Virtual particles woul dhave to come from another dimension beyond this physical one. Which gives credence to the idea of spirit creating matter.

You are under belief matter is created from within, as evinced by your reference to the Higg's thingy creating particles. Which, BTW, violates the theory of the BB. ALL matter was created during the condensation and has just been shuffled around since then. As was the energy released.

You are a bit mixed up. Make up your mind. Was the universe and its components made from within, or from without? Atomic nuclei is the starting point for an outward release of energy, or it is the focal point from force outside, like the center of a whirlpool.

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