Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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“God of War”

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#149220 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So slavery was not morally wrong when everyone practiced it?
But it is now wrong because society has evolved morally?
So if you were living in the time when slavery was acceptable, would slavery have been immoral?
They believed it to not be morally wrong to burn witches either. Or be entertained by public hangings. But the morality of people does shift.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149221 Jan 21, 2013
Slavery was always wrong- but only by applying today's non religious morals.

Religious morality said slavery was OK.

Therefore morality can change, and change for the better.
Clementia wrote:
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It was always morally wrong, but an evil society allowed it to happen! Moral people have been fighting against evil since the beginning.
No, because Aura moves with society, he's influenced by society, so if he was in the olden days, he would have kept slaves, too.
LOL, i'm gonna get a telling off from Aura! I love u really, buddy!! I'm just sayin'. Forgive me!!

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#149222 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Yes it does. Moreover, morality predates any modern religion.
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No, it doesn't!

Morality has got nothing to do with u believing in a God or gods!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149223 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Morality does not change!!!
Morality changes all the time! It all depends on where in the world you are.

The bible god stated that girls who lost their virginity before marriage were to be stone or burned to death. Most of the world does not believe that is proper or moral anymore.

Now since the bible god said to do it and most of us ignore him, that should tell you something about the bible god!

“God of War”

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#149224 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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It was always morally wrong, but an evil society allowed it to happen! Moral people have been fighting against evil since the beginning.
No, because Aura moves with society, he's influenced by society, so if he was in the olden days, he would have kept slaves, too.
LOL, i'm gonna get a telling off from Aura! I love u really, buddy!! I'm just sayin'. Forgive me!!
No dear, it's just very hard to say what we would feel in another time. We can only say what we feel to be right now. As much as you may feel somethings moral now , it could change over time. It's quite hard to imagine it, but we must remember it was moral to fight criminals and slaves to death in arena. Conquer ans enslave other cultures as well as destroy whole nations for little more than the spread of an Empire once.

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#149225 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Slavery was always wrong- but only by applying today's non religious morals.
Religious morality said slavery was OK.
Therefore morality can change, and change for the better.
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NO, SAINTS IN OUR RELIGIONS, HAVE ALWAYS SAID SLAVERY IS A SIN. INDIANS KNOW THAT THE SAINTS WOULD NEVER ALLOW SLAVERY. IT WAS WRONG SINCE BEGINNING OF THE VEDAS AND IT'S WRONG WRONG WRONG IN THE GGS. BUT INDIANS STILL DO IT COZ THEY R HEARTLESS.
DON'T TELL ME CRAP ABOUT WESTERN RELIGIONS!
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149226 Jan 21, 2013
Exactly. That's why morals today are different to 500 years ago.
Clementia wrote:
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No, it doesn't!
Morality has got nothing to do with u believing in a God or gods!

“God of War”

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#149227 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Morality is the God!
We are all capable of being good, but some of us choose not to be.
Human right's, bulsh*t!
Which country hasn't gone against all these acts?
The truth is morality is scarce, it's a rare thing to find in humans.
How can u not see that all our governments are evil? religious leaders are evil, Our society is evil?
I don't know that see people as inherit evil as you. I see competition by predators who are natural born killers, giving in to animalistic instincts. We can conquer this , if we use our heads.
But we are predators , it's not evil that we are, it is the way of our biosphere. Perhaps a design flaw, but it is the way we evolved over time, we can learn this, and knowing is half the battle.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

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#149228 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
Honestly, i don't even know what the question was or what the point of the rape discussion is all about but anyway.
We agree coz our heart say's so, coz of my 'God'/ your empathy, not coz of our governments. Governments are not ethical and all that sh*t, they do everything for their own benefit. People who only fear the law and don't have empathy, change when the law changes.
Do u really think that the majority of the people in America have more empathy compared to the people in India/China?
I don't know who has what amount of empathy. I can only look at behavior.

People who have everything that they need, and live in a relatively free society, would have little reason to harm other people. Even with empathy, a starving person may steal from another very poor person, and that very poor person may kill the starving person, and feel terrible about it. People who feel their own life is in danger will usually not empathize with the person who is threatening their life. To solve the problems, we need to reduce the causes of them. Most of the causes have to do with access to resources and the social environment people live in.

Greater access to resources and stable governments solve all kinds of societal problems.

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#149229 Jan 21, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Morality changes all the time! It all depends on where in the world you are.
The bible god stated that girls who lost their virginity before marriage were to be stone or burned to death. Most of the world does not believe that is proper or moral anymore.
Now since the bible god said to do it and most of us ignore him, that should tell you something about the bible god!
O please stop saying society changing is the same as morality changing. It's not.

There were people in the olden days who said religion is bulsh*t! and people who say it today, too!

“God of War”

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#149230 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Slavery was always wrong- but only by applying today's non religious morals.
Religious morality said slavery was OK.
Therefore morality can change, and change for the better.
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I don't think we can blame religion entirely.
We must blame ignorance and greed and the nature of predation itself.
We do learn though , hopefully I mean, though we can I do think blame religion for regression of learning.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149231 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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O please stop saying society changing is the same as morality changing. It's not.
There were people in the olden days who said religion is bulsh*t! and people who say it today, too!
Where are you from?

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#149232 Jan 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> No dear, it's just very hard to say what we would feel in another time. We can only say what we feel to be right now. As much as you may feel somethings moral now , it could change over time. It's quite hard to imagine it, but we must remember it was moral to fight criminals and slaves to death in arena. Conquer ans enslave other cultures as well as destroy whole nations for little more than the spread of an Empire once.
Aura, baby, open your eyes, u will see the same happening in the present. What the hell do u think the west is doing in the middle east? Guantanamo bay???? ring any bells???

No hunnie, it can't change. i think killing anything is wrong. Killing a fetus is wrong too, coz i think i'm killing something which is alive. if science can prove to me the fetus does not feel pain and it is not alive, my view and understanding will change but my morality will not.

“God of War”

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#149233 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Yes it does. Moreover, morality predates any modern religion.
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Adam felt shame of his nakedness.
This is a hint of exactly what you say.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#149234 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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O please stop saying society changing is the same as morality changing. It's not.
There were people in the olden days who said religion is bulsh*t! and people who say it today, too!
I say it.

And I also say that morality, what's right and wrong, does not change. People may become inured to immorality and shut their eyes to it, but it remains immoral even if the bulk of the society allows it.

There is immorality, in my view, in the U.S. today, and most people unfortunately don't see it as immoral. Yet it is. The very idea of people being homeless and not having enough to eat is immoral.

Someday things may change.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149235 Jan 21, 2013
Agreed. But religion was used to justify slavery, much like trade laws are applied to oppress today.
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I don't think we can blame religion entirely.
We must blame ignorance and greed and the nature of predation itself.
We do learn though , hopefully I mean, though we can I do think blame religion for regression of learning.

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#149236 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Exactly. That's why morals today are different to 500 years ago.
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No, they were not! i have proof, coz that is when Sikhism was started! That religion which said women can do what men can do!! no slavery, no rape etc.....

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149237 Jan 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Adam felt shame of his nakedness.
This is a hint of exactly what you say.
When was that story first told? Certainly not when it supposedly happened!

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#149238 Jan 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You have so much wrong in this post , it doesn't follow anything.
Atoms are predictable and defined, particles are subject to unpredictability or more correctly uncertainty.
But they are predictable when observed, because observation collapses the wave and forces a pinpoint location.
Atoms are particles following set processes, and defined parameters for them to exist they have to be somewhat stable.
We give them atomic mass and numbers to identify them.
Their components are defined and predictable.
It's been stated in theory that although tachyons (faster than light particles) cannot be observed, their radiation which travels much slower can. This radiation, then, the theoretical carrier of information is all science could gather about tachyons or similar particles.

It is impossible, even in principle, to predict the behavior of any single atom; all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms. Further, Quantum theory holds that a vacuum, like atoms, is subject to quantum uncertainties. This means that things can materialize out of the vacuum of space. While this phenomenon has never been observed directly, measurements of the electron's magnetic strength imply that it is real and happening even now. This is how the non-physical is made physical, or spirit is made flesh.

Moreover, many physicists now think it untenable to consider that each condition or event in the universe embodies the same kind of time. Physicists and parapsychologists have suggested various sorts of minute and undiscovered entities (mindons, psychons, psitrons, and so forth) that can move backward in time relative to our conscious conception of what time is, or that are at least free of our idea of time that flows inevitably forward.

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#149239 Jan 21, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Where are you from?
i'm from England! I'm a sikh from punjab! Guru nanak spoke out against these stupid religious things and so did sooo many saints, since the beginning of hinduism, saints have been fighting, day and night, to change these stupid people!!

I know morality does not change! only society does!

u forgot me that easily, sheepy boy?

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