Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149151 Jan 21, 2013
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
Wrathbone wrote:
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That crazy stuff works when both practioner and patient believe that it will.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149152 Jan 21, 2013
No one should have the right not to be offended.
Clementia wrote:
@Serah....Take a chill pill, woman!! What Horse? Redneck was on a horse? I was telling u to get off your horse. And what is Tmail? Look, I haven't given liberty guy any page number or link, OK!
Look, liberty guy, stop calling Serah names. We are grown up, we don't have to use language like that at each other, understand?....that's a good boy!
Redneck called me a silly goose and a sissy la-la. Words like that are allowed, coz they cute, but not the really offensive ones!

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#149153 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
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He has psychological evidence. lol

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149154 Jan 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So Lance did something bad.... He must be an atheist!:sigh: Get a clue retard! The closest he has ever come to that is saying he had a distrust of organized religion because of corruption. He has never claimed to be a non believer in god though and has even went in cancer hope tours with various church people and held hands wiping tears and sharing/ leading in prayer with cancer victims.
Get a grip retard! It's rather childish that you want to dun anyone who has done something bad an atheist.
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From whence did he get his moral code? That cheating was perfectly fine as long as one doesnít get caught at it. What we see in Lance is the same thing we see in a lot of militant atheist and thatís narcissism.

The work he did for cancer patients is appreciated but that work was built on a faÁade of him being a honest winner.
Yes Lance did wrong and has come clean but only because he was caught and the evidence is overwhelming.

We have also seen religious leaders over the years that have been caught living a double life in scandals of every sort. This makes me a skeptic of many religious leaders on TV myself.

Lance can rebuild a new reputation by doing public speaking and giving his life to Christ. That of course is my own opinion. I think there could be a big future for him but not in sports.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I was trying to generate a new discussion and please notice I didnít spew any hateful and degrading comments towards you.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149155 Jan 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
According to the bible myth your retarded god is the creator of all and everything so he just have created satan and hell right?
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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149156 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
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Can a limb regrow with modern medication?

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#149157 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You have just justified rape here:
"Each person is only truly accountable to themselves"
Your thoughts?
Anyone can justify anything to themselves.

Rape isn't usually socially acceptable. We are social creatures. We identify certain things to be unethical, and stop unethical behavior when we can. We feel, as a society, justified in doing this. Individuals may, at any time, diverge from socially acceptable behavior. Their actions may prompt a response from others. This is the basis of civilization. We learn how to moderate behaviors in the social sphere to best maximize safety and happiness.

Explaining how things are is not a justification for how things are. Do you understand this?
Pat

Granby, CT

#149158 Jan 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Under God" goes back to Abraham Lincoln, nitwit.
I can't answer your last question because I don't have an imaginary god.
None of the existing drafts of the 1863 Gettysburg Address speech, contain the words "under god." STOP LYING.

Based on this following quote do you think Lincoln believed in god?

It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln,

Based on that quote any person who asserts there is a god would be considered a lair since no person knows there is a god. He was not called Honest Abe for nothing. The under god is the Gettysburg Address was probably added later by dishonest christian historians. They are known for pulling crap like this.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#149159 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
<quoted text>
Can a limb regrow with modern medication?

Viagra heheheh

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#149160 Jan 21, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.
Thanks, yes, I do.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149161 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Have you even read the Bible?
Which is you favorite?

1. Stone your daughter to death for not being a virgin?
2. Murder an entire village for having just one non-believer?
3. Murdering everything living in a village, except for the virgin girls; those you can force into marriage to the men who murdered their families?
4. Burning a girl to death for not being a virgin?
5. The giving of young daughters to a mob to be gang raped?

I can find many more; but which one of these is your favorite?

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149162 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
What examples of unpredictability do you have?
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Predictability rests upon the basis of unpredictability. Atoms can move in more directions than one at once. Modern physics says atoms are processes, not things; that atoms and/ or their constituents can appear as either particles or waves depending on how they are observed, and that these qualities exist outside of our coarse world of space and time. Atoms are patterns of probabilities then. Science only perceives the probable motion of atoms it is interested in. The same applies to subjective experience. The attributes of spirit expressed through subjective experience also exists outside of our world of space and time.

The spirit, to be fully free, had to be endowed with unpredictability. This basic unpredictability follows through on all levels of life. In no way could you predict what would happen to that child in a photograph of yourself. In no way can you predict what will happen to you now because our beliefs and intents at any given moment influence what we choose from an unpredictable group of actions.

Only out of this unpredictability can an infinite number of orders, or ordered systems arise. Anything less than complete unpredictability will ultimately result in stagnation, or orders of existence that in the long run are self-defeating. Only from unpredictability can any system emerge that can be predictable within itself.
Pat

Granby, CT

#149163 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
<quoted text>
Can a limb regrow with modern medication?
No and we don't waste our time making wishes to imaginary sky fairies thinking magic is real either.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149164 Jan 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Have you retard? I doubt other than your preacher approved passages.
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Ad hominem and then prejudiced conjecture.

This debate is not going to to too well for you, if that is how you start your logical assertions...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149165 Jan 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone can justify anything to themselves.
Rape isn't usually socially acceptable. We are social creatures. We identify certain things to be unethical, and stop unethical behavior when we can. We feel, as a society, justified in doing this. Individuals may, at any time, diverge from socially acceptable behavior. Their actions may prompt a response from others. This is the basis of civilization. We learn how to moderate behaviors in the social sphere to best maximize safety and happiness.
Explaining how things are is not a justification for how things are. Do you understand this?
So what if society says rape is okay?

Plenty of warlike societies have practiced rape in history.

How do you deal with that?

If society is the arbitrater of morality?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#149166 Jan 21, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Which is you favorite?
1. Stone your daughter to death for not being a virgin?
2. Murder an entire village for having just one non-believer?
3. Murdering everything living in a village, except for the virgin girls; those you can force into marriage to the men who murdered their families?
4. Burning a girl to death for not being a virgin?
5. The giving of young daughters to a mob to be gang raped?
I can find many more; but which one of these is your favorite?
Obviously I do not accept your extremist interpretation of these passages.

But the real question is this.

How do you as an atheist condemn any of the above actions?

What ultimate standard of morality do you point to, in order to condemn the above?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#149167 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Predictability rests upon the basis of unpredictability. Atoms can move in more directions than one at once. Modern physics says atoms are processes, not things; that atoms and/ or their constituents can appear as either particles or waves depending on how they are observed, and that these qualities exist outside of our coarse world of space and time. Atoms are patterns of probabilities then. Science only perceives the probable motion of atoms it is interested in. The same applies to subjective experience. The attributes of spirit expressed through subjective experience also exists outside of our world of space and time.
The spirit, to be fully free, had to be endowed with unpredictability. This basic unpredictability follows through on all levels of life. In no way could you predict what would happen to that child in a photograph of yourself. In no way can you predict what will happen to you now because our beliefs and intents at any given moment influence what we choose from an unpredictable group of actions.
Only out of this unpredictability can an infinite number of orders, or ordered systems arise. Anything less than complete unpredictability will ultimately result in stagnation, or orders of existence that in the long run are self-defeating. Only from unpredictability can any system emerge that can be predictable within itself.

You have so much wrong in this post , it doesn't follow anything.
Atoms are predictable and defined, particles are subject to unpredictability or more correctly uncertainty.
But they are predictable when observed, because observation collapses the wave and forces a pinpoint location.
Atoms are particles following set processes, and defined parameters for them to exist they have to be somewhat stable.
We give them atomic mass and numbers to identify them.
Their components are defined and predictable.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#149168 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
So what if society says rape is okay?
That's not a specific enough question to answer.
mtimber wrote:
Plenty of warlike societies have practiced rape in history.
How do you deal with that?
What do you mean?
mtimber wrote:
If society is the arbitrater of morality?
I wouldn't call society the arbiter of morality. It's more like a moderator. Morality is first subject to the mind that is making moral distinctions, and then subject to any people or systems (real or imaginary) that they have volunteered accountability to.

I'm not going to answer vague questions or do your work for you.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#149169 Jan 21, 2013
Woodard doesn't claim that North America is a nation. Read the title of his work again.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I was commenting not on the book, but on your comment. You said "we may be one nation that can be disputed" & used a book about North America support your claim.
That's why I reminded you that North America isn't a nation.
The title of the book *about* North America indicates that there are *multiple*(more than 3) nations within North America.

So, nowhere did I claim (or even imply) that North America itself was a nation, so your "reminder" was meaningless.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#149170 Jan 21, 2013
There is as yet no evidence to support that claim.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Says you.
Says anyone who notices that you haven't provided any.

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