Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#149143 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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One could say the same of science. Whosoever accepts science as the only begetter of truth will believe whatever science says.
Science contends that we exist as material beings in a material world. Religions and philosophy say we are much more than that. We are spirit made flesh. We are spiritual beings expressing as humans in physical reality.
Voodoo priests say they can do some crazy stuff too.
But we all know that religious stuff is just superstition and myth.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#149144 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
Whosoever accepts science as the only begetter of truth will believe whatever science says.
I don't see *anything* as a "begetter of truth" (at least not about the real world), including science. I see science as a tool useful for making the Universe more understandable and for making predictions of what we will observe in the future.

"Truth" exists in the realms of logic and math, but not in the real world.
Wrathbone wrote:
Science contends that we exist as material beings in a material world.
Which we appear to be, unless you've got evidence to the contrary.
Wrathbone wrote:
Religions and philosophy say we are much more than that.
Religion may say that, but philosophy, as a whole, does not say that.

But there is no evidence that we are "more than that" (let alone "much more than that").

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#149145 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
We may be one nation, although even that can be disputed, as it has been in Colin Woodard's 2011 book "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America".

Woodard doesn't claim that North America is a nation. Read the title of his work again.
I was commenting not on the book, but on your comment. You said "we may be one nation that can be disputed" & used a book about North America support your claim.

That's why I reminded you that North America isn't a nation.
There is as yet no evidence to support that claim.
Says you.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149146 Jan 21, 2013
Adam wrote:
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What are you saying? Science is wrong, and religion right? Please explain. Cause if you are looking for absurdities try the so called holy books.
Science is fooled by its own assumptions. It likes to think it deals with predictable action. It perceives such a small amount of data, however, in such a limited area, that the great inner unpredictability of any molecule, atom or wave is not apparent. Science only perceives what is predicitable within our own particular physical system, and nothing more.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149147 Jan 21, 2013
Prove it.
Wrathbone wrote:
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We are spirit made flesh.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149148 Jan 21, 2013
What examples of unpredictability do you have?
Wrathbone wrote:
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Science only perceives what is predicitable within our own particular physical system, and nothing more.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#149149 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Science is fooled by its own assumptions. It likes to think it deals with predictable action. It perceives such a small amount of data, however, in such a limited area, that the great inner unpredictability of any molecule, atom or wave is not apparent. Science only perceives what is predicitable within our own particular physical system, and nothing more.

I take it by saying "our own particular physical system" you mean the physical reality. If you want to deal with alternate reality, or fantasy you can, but don't expect us to take you seriously.
There is nothing beyond the physical reality, but superstitious nonsense.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149150 Jan 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Voodoo priests say they can do some crazy stuff too.
But we all know that religious stuff is just superstition and myth.
That crazy stuff works when both practioner and patient believe that it will. Our environment is the physical picture of our thoughts, emotions and beliefs made visible.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149151 Jan 21, 2013
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
Wrathbone wrote:
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That crazy stuff works when both practioner and patient believe that it will.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149152 Jan 21, 2013
No one should have the right not to be offended.
Clementia wrote:
@Serah....Take a chill pill, woman!! What Horse? Redneck was on a horse? I was telling u to get off your horse. And what is Tmail? Look, I haven't given liberty guy any page number or link, OK!
Look, liberty guy, stop calling Serah names. We are grown up, we don't have to use language like that at each other, understand?....that's a good boy!
Redneck called me a silly goose and a sissy la-la. Words like that are allowed, coz they cute, but not the really offensive ones!

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#149153 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
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He has psychological evidence. lol

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149154 Jan 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So Lance did something bad.... He must be an atheist!:sigh: Get a clue retard! The closest he has ever come to that is saying he had a distrust of organized religion because of corruption. He has never claimed to be a non believer in god though and has even went in cancer hope tours with various church people and held hands wiping tears and sharing/ leading in prayer with cancer victims.
Get a grip retard! It's rather childish that you want to dun anyone who has done something bad an atheist.
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From whence did he get his moral code? That cheating was perfectly fine as long as one doesn’t get caught at it. What we see in Lance is the same thing we see in a lot of militant atheist and that’s narcissism.

The work he did for cancer patients is appreciated but that work was built on a façade of him being a honest winner.
Yes Lance did wrong and has come clean but only because he was caught and the evidence is overwhelming.

We have also seen religious leaders over the years that have been caught living a double life in scandals of every sort. This makes me a skeptic of many religious leaders on TV myself.

Lance can rebuild a new reputation by doing public speaking and giving his life to Christ. That of course is my own opinion. I think there could be a big future for him but not in sports.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I was trying to generate a new discussion and please notice I didn’t spew any hateful and degrading comments towards you.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149155 Jan 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
According to the bible myth your retarded god is the creator of all and everything so he just have created satan and hell right?
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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149156 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
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Can a limb regrow with modern medication?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#149157 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You have just justified rape here:
"Each person is only truly accountable to themselves"
Your thoughts?
Anyone can justify anything to themselves.

Rape isn't usually socially acceptable. We are social creatures. We identify certain things to be unethical, and stop unethical behavior when we can. We feel, as a society, justified in doing this. Individuals may, at any time, diverge from socially acceptable behavior. Their actions may prompt a response from others. This is the basis of civilization. We learn how to moderate behaviors in the social sphere to best maximize safety and happiness.

Explaining how things are is not a justification for how things are. Do you understand this?
Pat

Granby, CT

#149158 Jan 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"Under God" goes back to Abraham Lincoln, nitwit.
I can't answer your last question because I don't have an imaginary god.
None of the existing drafts of the 1863 Gettysburg Address speech, contain the words "under god." STOP LYING.

Based on this following quote do you think Lincoln believed in god?

It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln,

Based on that quote any person who asserts there is a god would be considered a lair since no person knows there is a god. He was not called Honest Abe for nothing. The under god is the Gettysburg Address was probably added later by dishonest christian historians. They are known for pulling crap like this.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#149159 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Can a limb regrow with modern medication?

Viagra heheheh

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#149160 Jan 21, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.
Thanks, yes, I do.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149161 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Have you even read the Bible?
Which is you favorite?

1. Stone your daughter to death for not being a virgin?
2. Murder an entire village for having just one non-believer?
3. Murdering everything living in a village, except for the virgin girls; those you can force into marriage to the men who murdered their families?
4. Burning a girl to death for not being a virgin?
5. The giving of young daughters to a mob to be gang raped?

I can find many more; but which one of these is your favorite?

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149162 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
What examples of unpredictability do you have?
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Predictability rests upon the basis of unpredictability. Atoms can move in more directions than one at once. Modern physics says atoms are processes, not things; that atoms and/ or their constituents can appear as either particles or waves depending on how they are observed, and that these qualities exist outside of our coarse world of space and time. Atoms are patterns of probabilities then. Science only perceives the probable motion of atoms it is interested in. The same applies to subjective experience. The attributes of spirit expressed through subjective experience also exists outside of our world of space and time.

The spirit, to be fully free, had to be endowed with unpredictability. This basic unpredictability follows through on all levels of life. In no way could you predict what would happen to that child in a photograph of yourself. In no way can you predict what will happen to you now because our beliefs and intents at any given moment influence what we choose from an unpredictable group of actions.

Only out of this unpredictability can an infinite number of orders, or ordered systems arise. Anything less than complete unpredictability will ultimately result in stagnation, or orders of existence that in the long run are self-defeating. Only from unpredictability can any system emerge that can be predictable within itself.

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