Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148814 Jan 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You are equivocating here.
But let us follow your argument to its logical conclusion.
If morality is subjective, then there is no absolute "good" or "evil".
There is nothing absolutely "wrong", because two subjective opinions on morality, would both have equal authority.
So with that in mind, nothing is wrong of itself.
Do you understand where your own reasoning leads you, have you ever considered and thought through what you are saying?
If morality is a merely subjective construct of society, then nothing is absolutely wrong or absolutely right.
This is your argument.
equivocate [&#618;&#712;kw&#6 18;v&#601;&#716;ke &#618;t]
vb
(intr) to use vague or ambiguous language, esp in order to avoid speaking directly or honestly; hedge

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148815 Jan 18, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Well again here is Marriam-Webster definition of atheist.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
This states a positive assertion of Believe. Not to be confused with Agnostic.
ag·nos·tic\ag-ˈnäs-tik,əg -\
noun
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
Nope. Saying there are no *something* is not a positive, it is a denial.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#148816 Jan 18, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>You are trying to say that my belief that there is a dwarf planet called Pluto, since I have never seen it, is the same as you belief in a god; and that simply is not true.

There are several steps that I could take to see or calculate that Pluto does exist.

Langoliers wrote, "Oh and I too have very convincing evidence of my believe.
I too know earths history and how it was created."

How do you know this? Simply, you have faith, blind faith, in a book. All know science contradicts that book.

Langoliers wrote, "I also know when and how the universe was created."

How do you know this? Simply, you have faith, blind faith, in a book. All know science contradicts that book.

Langoliers wrote, "I too know when man first walked on the earth."

When was that?

Langoliers wrote, "And I also know how it all ends.
Not that this information would help you out either.
"

Other than a book and blind faith, what do you have? Do you have any tests to determine the age of rocks? Do you have any tests to determine the age of fossils? Can you explain how a flood covered the tallest mountains, yet left no evidence? Can you explain how Moses and crew traveled in a small area for forty years and left no trace?

Here is a very simple test. With science, I can start a fire, in my fire pit, anytime I like. I can do it over and over; I can invite people from all over the world and show them how to did it, over and over.

Can you ask your god to start a fire in my fire pit; even once and it happen?

You wouldn't even try such a thing! You know exactly what would happen. Nothing! So, you have to hide behind one verse in the NT. God has done it before, but you are too afraid to ask him to do it again! Oh, I cannot tempt god! LOL! You are not tempting anything! You are hiding!
No!

Hiding is hiding.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#148817 Jan 18, 2013
You do that momma pm me it of that's more comfy :)
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
It's on the prove a God thread, one was about black people and the other was when he called Muslims towel-heads and i said to him i'm a sikh we wear turbans more than Muslims do, but he told me not to get offended.
I'll try and find the page number, liberty guy!:-)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148818 Jan 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
So if society dictates human morality, there are times when it is acceptable for adults to have sex with children?
That is essentially your argument taken to its logical conclusion.
Again, it is quite obvious that you don't know history or your bible! Read up one your bible, then try to defend the lack of logic and modern morals it contains.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148819 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
It's great, isn't it?
Built the bottom half of that snowman yet?
<quoted text>
My car is bloody dead!! I left it out in the snow, oh shit!

what? i built the bottom half first, i got to build the top, now. i'm gonna wait till snow stops and until my throat gets better. i can feel my tonsils when i swallow food.

Have u built a snowman?

I'm going to make my snowman into a snow woman!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148820 Jan 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You do that momma pm me it of that's more comfy :)
<quoted text>
U mean PM? PM = PERSONAL MESSAGE?

I PMed u and other posters, they all PMed me back u were the stuck up one that didn't.

So why should i? why? huh, why?

What r u up to?

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#148821 Jan 18, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to make my snowman into a snow woman!
Will that require more snow, or less?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148822 Jan 18, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
What's a white sheet?
A sheet that's white.

der
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148823 Jan 18, 2013
I opened the roof on my car without taking the snow off once to make a comedy photo but all the snow fell inside the boot. Worth it for the photo, though.

I'm reminded of an old joke: "What's the difference between a snowman and a snow woman?"
"Snowballs."
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
My car is bloody dead!! I left it out in the snow, oh shit!
what? i built the bottom half first, i got to build the top, now. i'm gonna wait till snow stops and until my throat gets better. i can feel my tonsils when i swallow food.
Have u built a snowman?
I'm going to make my snowman into a snow woman!

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#148824 Jan 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You have to apply this reasoning to all claims of course.
So are you saying that you believe every claim that has ever been made that was argued against?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148825 Jan 18, 2013
I thought I found a snowman mass grave once but apparently it was just a field planted out with carrots.
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Will that require more snow, or less?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#148826 Jan 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
No!
Hiding is hiding.
...or busy. We're coming up on one of the dates when grant proposals must be submitted, so Hiding may be too busy putting the finishing touches on one to read or post here. Just a guess, of course.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148827 Jan 18, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
Yh....nooooo! the problem with your jokes is that they r mean. u can have racist jokes but there is a limit, u get me?
See that's the thing. I don't care if they're mean jokes.

Because they aren't mean to the light hearted people, only to the closed minded shut ins.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148828 Jan 18, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Clementine, don't be mean to me, I was supporting you and chastising that rude RR guy.
I'll talk to you anytime, just don't leave me freezing at Marble Arch in the cold, dark, London night.
"that rude RR guy" ...?

*walks around, wondering*

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148829 Jan 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
.... Uh .... Hey do you have any idea how retarded this question made you look? No seriously..... Just when you though riverside retard couldn't get any dumber....
<quoted text>
Redneck dirty sheet drawn.

Bye-bye

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148830 Jan 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
What number of ancient sites haven't been found?
That's a stupid question.

I don't know, how many stars have not been counted?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148831 Jan 18, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
It's on the prove a God thread, one was about black people and the other was when he called Muslims towel-heads and i said to him i'm a sikh, we wear turbans more than Muslims do, but he told me not to get offended.
I'll try and find the page number, liberty guy!:-)
hehehe....

Y'alls is gonna tell the teacher about my joke?

Oooooh.... I'm shakin in my lil booties.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#148832 Jan 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You are equivocating here.
Huh? Where? Do you expect me to guess?
mtimber wrote:
But let us follow your argument to its logical conclusion.
If morality is subjective, then there is no absolute "good" or "evil".
I don't know of any absolute "good" or "evil". It's possible to attain consensus among all minds who make moral distinctions, but I would not call that a moral absolute, because it is subject to consensus, which could be lost at any time.
mtimber wrote:
There is nothing absolutely "wrong", because two subjective opinions on morality, would both have equal authority.
Each person is only truly accountable to themselves, unless they volunteer accountability to other people, or systems (real or imaginary).

Moral authorities vary in type and influence. We have different types of moral authorities. Most of them are based on consensus, moderated by social mechanisms, and ruled by force. The authorities are far from equal.
mtimber wrote:
So with that in mind, nothing is wrong of itself.
Do you understand where your own reasoning leads you, have you ever considered and thought through what you are saying?
Yes. Have you read much about philosophy?
mtimber wrote:
If morality is a merely subjective construct of society, then nothing is absolutely wrong or absolutely right.
This is your argument.
It's a premise. Do you accept that premise?

I can try again to demonstrate how morality is subjective, but all I can do is rephrase it.

There is a much more interesting argument about comparing different moral systems, but if you think there is one moral system with absolute moral authority, arguing about it with you would be one sided.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#148833 Jan 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
So you don't think that we are all here due to an accident in the universe?
What does that have to do with fizzing superiority? You brought that up, as a strawman argument.
mtimber wrote:
And if we are just two chemical accidents fizzing away, how do you know your fizzing is superior to mine...
Is anyone here claiming a superior fizz? I'm not. Who are you arguing with here? A strawman?

Misrepresenting the other side is a logical fallacy, and a cheap trick.

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