Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148778 Jan 17, 2013
The riverside retard is upset we don't believe in his retarded god. And trust me nothing has retarded the human race like god and religion.
Aerobatty wrote:
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He has barely enough intelligence to pull a trigger.
Fortunately for him, it's hard to reach when the gun's pointed the wrong way.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148779 Jan 17, 2013
.... Uh .... Hey do you have any idea how retarded this question made you look? No seriously..... Just when you though riverside retard couldn't get any dumber....
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So....
You're saying I'm wrong that my words show I'm an atheist?

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148780 Jan 17, 2013
Are you upset that atheists don't believe in your retarded god? Sorry about that retard! We're just smarter than you.
Langoliers wrote:
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Nice try anyways.
You gave it the old collage try. Nice job old chap.
be·lieve\bə-ˈlēv\
intransitive verb
1 a : to have a firm religious faith
b : to accept something as true, genuine, or real
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Oh and I too have very convincing evidence of my believe.
I too know earths history and how it was created.
I also know when and how the universe was created.
I too know when man first walked on the earth.
And I also know how it all ends.
Not that this information would help you out either.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148782 Jan 17, 2013
I have a better idea retard! How about you demonstrate for us how your godhead that you claim to be a part of as co creator of the universe is anything more than a delusion?

Any chance of you pulling that off simpleton?
Wrathbone wrote:
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By contrast, in laboratories, man has great opportunites to obtain preprogrammed answers, based on what he thinks he already knows. His faculties keenly focused on physical reality can hardly produce anything else. An atheist would never call an atom, alive, let alone conscious. Yet a collection of certain atoms assembled into a human form calls itself alive.
In many ways, atheists are befuddled creatures... forever prowling around the confines of their limited perceptions looking for an identity with meaning that science cannot provide. They've drawn a magic circle around their beliefs so that everything not in agreement seems dark and alien and unselflike. Instead they look backward at their rudimentary physical origins taking it for granted that evolution is over and they have arrived, kings of the mountain wondering, "Is this all there is?" We are here now for no particular reason, and when we're dead we're dead? They are afraid of those brilliant psychic fires that light up their inner landscape leading to the answers they seek. Afraid that path might lead to God.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148783 Jan 17, 2013
Clem lady can you show me where he made this racist joke perhaps page and post number so it can be properly reported?

Thanks so much :)
Clementia wrote:
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No, it was the racist black joke u made, which wasn't funny at all!! U r a redneck if u wanna take the piss outta yourself go for it, but don't be horrible to others.
U call yourself a christian but yet u "don't put much thought into people's feelings"? O for crying out loud, Jesus died for the sins of people, he cared so much that he gave his life and u don't even care about feelings?
u r ignorant of God's righteousness!!
All people belong to him, i'm not going to defend 1 religious group over another.
I don't want to ever see the world through your eyes, my God never let me see that day!!
And i'm not pissed or angry, i'm being honest!!
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148784 Jan 18, 2013
Racist. ;)
Clementia wrote:
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You guys gotta stop saying, we don't BELIEVE in God or gods/ atheism is a disBELIEF in.....
We gotta think of a definition for atheism that doesn't have the words, believe, disbelief, non-belief etc....in it!!
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148785 Jan 18, 2013
christ you're thick.

I said I can swear and be right at the same time.

No one should have the right not to be offended.
mtimber wrote:
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You think being offensive makes you right?
So the person who swears the most is by default the most intelligent?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148786 Jan 18, 2013
I love the IPU (mhhnbs)
madscot wrote:
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I don't rely on Dawkins. The FSM is the alpha and Omega for infinity.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148787 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I love the IPU (mhhnbs)
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Dudeism is easier.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148788 Jan 18, 2013
But it's not real!
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Dudeism is easier.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148789 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
But it's not real!
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IPU is not real! Heathen!

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#148790 Jan 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And Hitler turned his back on his faith and his religion and because an atheist. Just as many of you have done.
Nope, not according to him, not according to those close to him, not according to the catholic church

What he did he did with the teaching, benefit and approval of his faith and church just as so many other despotic dictators have done and are doing.

If course we have been here before and I have shown you reams and reams of contemporary documentation to validate the fact that Hitler was and remained true to his faith.

However there are some godbots such as yourself for attempt to distance yourselves from his church approved christian actions by lying. Such a good christian trait and you don't even see the hypocrisy
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148791 Jan 18, 2013
Prove it!
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>IPU is not real! Heathen!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#148792 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Prove it!
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Damned heretics everywhere...

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Sweden

#148793 Jan 18, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Ok enough teasing you with definitions of your faith.
There also exists a atheism, sometimes called "strong" or "explicit" atheism. With this type, the atheist explicitly denies the existence of any gods — making a strong claim which will deserve support at some point. Some atheists do this and others may do this with regards to certain specific gods but not with others. Thus, a person may lack belief in one god, but deny the existence of another god.
Atheists and freethinkers have defined atheism relatively consistently over the past couple of centuries. Although a few have focused solely on the sense of "strong" atheism, many more have differentiated between "weak" and "strong" atheism.
Atheism is no faith
Pat

Granby, CT

#148794 Jan 18, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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Atheism is no faith
If you simply reject the theist claim of a god because you feel it is unproven then you are correct, it is no faith, it is the rejection of it. However, if you claim there is no god then you are in the same boat as the theist, making a claim you can not support with proof.

Since: Jan 13

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#148795 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Did you want me to "deal" with it?
I will now.
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Have you ever heard of "humoring"? How about "playing the Devil's advocate"?
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Would you apply that line of reasoning to all claims made that are argued against? Or would this be a case of special pleading?
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This is called an argument from ignorance, a logical fallacy.
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This is called a strawman argument, a logical fallacy.
You have to apply this reasoning to all claims of course.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#148796 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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No. This is another argument from ignorance. All you need is two people to have contradictory moral beliefs to demonstrate the subjective nature of morality between those two individuals. On the larger scale of the human race, the various contradictory moral systems demonstrate the subjective nature of human morality.
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Morality is subjective, because it is subject to the person making moral distinctions. It is subject to the person's upbringing and other factors.
You define things by relating to other things.
You are equivocating here.

But let us follow your argument to its logical conclusion.

If morality is subjective, then there is no absolute "good" or "evil".

There is nothing absolutely "wrong", because two subjective opinions on morality, would both have equal authority.

So with that in mind, nothing is wrong of itself.

Do you understand where your own reasoning leads you, have you ever considered and thought through what you are saying?

If morality is a merely subjective construct of society, then nothing is absolutely wrong or absolutely right.

This is your argument.

Since: Jan 13

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#148797 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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This is called a strawman argument, a logical fallacy.
So you don't think that we are all here due to an accident in the universe?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#148798 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I don't think you understood the analogy... to demonstrate the absurdity of taking extraordinary claims seriously that are presented without any objectively verifiable evidence.
What separates the quality of evidence for your god from that of any number of other gods?
You believe in a god don't you? Why?
Very simple.

God has to be absolute in all things by His very nature.

That being the case, all transcendant knowledge proceeds from God and is accountable because of Gods absolute nature.

The gods you refer to are not able to meet that measure.

This is why your analogy is a false analogy...

It does not matter how much you deny it, it doesn't change the fact you have not been able to reason around this simple problem.

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