Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jan 17, 2013
 
Sock off.
Langoliers wrote:
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" It is as disbelief in any gods ."
Wrong!
Merriam-Webster.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Not a disbelieve but a believe.
This is why every survey list Atheist ( a person that BELIEVES there is no God or gods) and non-believers separate.
ag·nos·tic\ag-ˈnäs-tik,əg -\
noun
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
It's so sad you can't get the difference in these two words.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
u talking about me, but not to me. Oh I see, u playing hard to get. Well, 2 can play that game!
First, Tide could read my mind and now u, r u angels or demons?
I can't read minds.

If I could, I'd look for minds in the fantasy section.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
Sock off.
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You guys gotta stop saying, we don't BELIEVE in God or gods/ atheism is a disBELIEF in.....

We gotta think of a definition for atheism that doesn't have the words, believe, disbelief, non-belief etc....in it!!

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
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hmmm...like i do!
so why the hell r u here defending Christians then? why the hell u offended, u sissy la-la, lol that's a new term for me.
what's with the farting, first mylan was at it and now u, did u eat too much potato salad or grilled cheese? I told u to drink warm water, didn't i? Go on, fart away, i'll just hold my breath!! Don't ever tell me that i don't do enough for u!
When did u look at the world through my eyes?
I'm not angry! Why, u wanna see me angry? I could do that for u, too!!!
Alright I'll try to play nice when you're around, how about that?

I'll do an equal amount of whitey jokes as I do others, ok?

As long as I get to fart...

What's a hillbilly say after sex?

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Git offa me dad, yer crushin ma smokes!

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
You guys gotta stop saying, we don't BELIEVE in God or gods/ atheism is a disBELIEF in.....
We gotta think of a definition for atheism that doesn't have the words, believe, disbelief, non-belief etc....in it!!
An atheist is a person who is not a theist.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Alright I'll try to play nice when you're around, how about that?
I'll do an equal amount of whitey jokes as I do others, ok?
As long as I get to fart...
What's a hillbilly say after sex?
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Git offa me dad, yer crushin ma smokes!
Yh....nooooo! the problem with your jokes is that they r mean. u can have racist jokes but there is a limit, u get me?

O LOL, THAT'S SOOOOOOOO FUNNY, HILARIOUS.......I DON'T GET IT???

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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An atheist is a person who is not a theist.
Now, i gotta look up what i theist is and it'll say someone who believes in God, then i'll have to think for myself and i'll assume that an atheist is a person who doesn't BELIEVE in God.

Tide, it's a longer way of coming back to where we were going before!

Keep trying, we'll get there in the end, i mean get somewhere else! I believe in you!!

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Why?
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What? Why? Who cares?
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They are also usually adults. That doesn't make Secular Humanism an adult organization.
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Indeed. Morality is subjective.
So if morality is subjective, what do you use as an absolute defining position to define that subjectivity?

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Try ripping off a compelling argument next time.
You might want to try dealing with the point made, rather than appeal to your own opinion as proof...

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
That's not how logic works. I can call you a cu*t and still be right. Besides, only morons are scared of swear words.
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You think being offensive makes you right?

So the person who swears the most is by default the most intelligent?

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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It's an argument to demonstrate the absurdity of taking extraordinary claims seriously that are presented without any objectively verifiable evidence.
What separates the quality of evidence for your god from that of any number of other gods?
No, it is a false analogy, as I have already clearly shown.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
Now, i gotta look up what i theist is and it'll say someone who believes in God, then i'll have to think for myself and i'll assume that an atheist is a person who doesn't BELIEVE in God.
Tide, it's a longer way of coming back to where we were going before!
Keep trying, we'll get there in the end, i mean get somewhere else! I believe in you!!
Would a god be an atheist?

Think about it.

“Darwin died for your sins”

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Jan 17, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Dawkins false analogy, whilst trumpted by many atheists as the final word on the matter is, is very poor as an argument against God...
Is the flying spaghetti monster:
Omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, absolutely moral and eternal?
If he is then he would have manifested himself to man as such, because it would have been his nature to do so.
So no, you cannot substitute that poor analogy for God and expect your argument to be treated as sincere...
You decide :

We believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world much as it exists today, but for reasons unknown made it appear that the universe is billions of years old (instead of thousands) and that life evolved into its current state (rather than created in its current form). Every time a researcher carries out an experiment that appears to confirm one of these scientific theories supporting an old earth and evolution we can be sure that the FSM is there, modifying the data with his Noodly Appendage. We dont know why He does this but we believe He does, that is our Faith.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
So if morality is subjective, what do you use as an absolute defining position to define that subjectivity?
Could you rephrase the question?

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Clementia wrote:
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u talking about me, but not to me. Oh I see, u playing hard to get. Well, 2 can play that game!
First, Tide could read my mind and now u, r u angels or demons?
Clementine, don't be mean to me, I was supporting you and chastising that rude RR guy.

I'll talk to you anytime, just don't leave me freezing at Marble Arch in the cold, dark, London night.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Would a god be an atheist?
Think about it.
I told u that, u copycat, u cheat, u can't take that away from me!!

i have proof i said that, ask kitten or check my comments!!

I learnt God is an atheist from watching these videos;

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I BEAT U TO IT!!!:-p

THINK ABOUT IT!!:-p :-p :-p

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Jan 17, 2013
 

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madscot wrote:
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You decide :
We believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world much as it exists today, but for reasons unknown made it appear that the universe is billions of years old (instead of thousands) and that life evolved into its current state (rather than created in its current form). Every time a researcher carries out an experiment that appears to confirm one of these scientific theories supporting an old earth and evolution we can be sure that the FSM is there, modifying the data with his Noodly Appendage. We dont know why He does this but we believe He does, that is our Faith.
Your flying spaghetti monster cannot account for absolute moral standards...

Which exist, obviously, as everyone uses them.

So he fails very quickly.

So yes, a very poor analogy.

Dawkins is not a good person to rely on for a sound philosophical argument...

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Jan 17, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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So if morality is subjective, what do you use as an absolute defining position to define that subjectivity?
You're getting closer and closer to the white sheet.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Would a god be an atheist?
Think about it.
Not in a polytheistic system.

It's teamwork, dude, teamwork.

You have to have faith in your teammates.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Could you rephrase the question?
To come to the conclusion that subjective morality exists, you need to have an absolute morality upon which to first define subjective morality.

So the argument for subjective morality is self refuting, as it requires absolute morality to exist to even make the argument.

You cannot define anything if you do not have an absolute standard with which to define it with...

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