Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148747 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You might want to try dealing with the point made, rather than appeal to your own opinion as proof...
Did you want me to "deal" with it?

I will now.
mtimber wrote:
I am saying that you also know the God you deny and it can be proven because you will appeal to His absolute moral standards and concepts when it pleases you and you will deny they exist when it pleases you also.
Have you ever heard of "humoring"? How about "playing the Devil's advocate"?
mtimber wrote:
The fact you are arguing against God, proves His existence...
Would you apply that line of reasoning to all claims made that are argued against? Or would this be a case of special pleading?
mtimber wrote:
Without Him you have no basis for rational logical absolutes upon which to base your reasoning.
This is called an argument from ignorance, a logical fallacy.
mtimber wrote:
Without Him we are just two chemical accidents fizzing near each other...
And if we are just two chemical accidents fizzing away, how do you know your fizzing is superior to mine...
This is called a strawman argument, a logical fallacy.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148749 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
No, it is a false analogy, as I have already clearly shown.
I don't think you understood the analogy... to demonstrate the absurdity of taking extraordinary claims seriously that are presented without any objectively verifiable evidence.

What separates the quality of evidence for your god from that of any number of other gods?

You believe in a god don't you? Why?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#148750 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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To come to the conclusion that subjective morality exists, you need to have an absolute morality upon which to first define subjective morality.
So the argument for subjective morality is self refuting, as it requires absolute morality to exist to even make the argument.
You cannot define anything if you do not have an absolute standard with which to define it with...
Boy I wish Buck was here to argue infinity with this guy.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148752 Jan 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Clementine, don't be mean to me, I was supporting you and chastising that rude RR guy.
I'll talk to you anytime, just don't leave me freezing at Marble Arch in the cold, dark, London night.
I know...you're a sweetheart!

You're the one the would leave me, i just know that if i had turned up, u would've had a sneak peek and then vanished and i'd be standing there crying under the arch! u men don't understand how delicate a lady's heart is, it's more fragile than fragile!!

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148751 Jan 17, 2013
Clementia wrote:
I told u that, u copycat, u cheat, u can't take that away from me!!
i have proof i said that, ask kitten or check my comments!!
I learnt God is an atheist from watching these videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =TLGGKraKmXcXX
I BEAT U TO IT!!!:-p
THINK ABOUT IT!!:-p :-p :-p
I humble myself before you.

Please, have mercy.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148753 Jan 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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You're getting closer and closer to the white sheet.
What's a white sheet?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148754 Jan 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
You're getting closer and closer to the white sheet.
He/she probably won't stick around long.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148755 Jan 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Not in a polytheistic system.
It's teamwork, dude, teamwork.
You have to have faith in your teammates.
I just thought of a cool movie idea...

Greek gods VS Norse gods...

Pat Pending

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#148756 Jan 17, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>You guys gotta stop saying, we don't BELIEVE in God or gods/ atheism is a disBELIEF in.....

We gotta think of a definition for atheism that doesn't have the words, believe, disbelief, non-belief etc....in it!!
Well again here is Marriam-Webster definition of atheist.

athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

This states a positive assertion of Believe. Not to be confused with Agnostic.

ag·nos·tic\ag-ˈnäs-tik,əg -\
noun
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>

Since: Dec 11

Perth, Western Australia

#148757 Jan 17, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Would a god be an atheist?
Think about it.
I doubt it Exodus claims Yahweh took on entire team of Egyptian gods. No doubt there is some type of Professional God Association (or PGA if you will) where competing gods go head to head over the fate of the world and the winner receives some type of reward at the end of the season".

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148759 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
To come to the conclusion that subjective morality exists, you need to have an absolute morality upon which to first define subjective morality.
No. This is another argument from ignorance. All you need is two people to have contradictory moral beliefs to demonstrate the subjective nature of morality between those two individuals. On the larger scale of the human race, the various contradictory moral systems demonstrate the subjective nature of human morality.
mtimber wrote:
So the argument for subjective morality is self refuting, as it requires absolute morality to exist to even make the argument.
You cannot define anything if you do not have an absolute standard with which to define it with...
Morality is subjective, because it is subject to the person making moral distinctions. It is subject to the person's upbringing and other factors.

You define things by relating to other things.

Since: Apr 12

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#148758 Jan 17, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>An atheist is a person who is not a theist.
Ok enough teasing you with definitions of your faith.

There also exists a atheism, sometimes called "strong" or "explicit" atheism. With this type, the atheist explicitly denies the existence of any gods — making a strong claim which will deserve support at some point. Some atheists do this and others may do this with regards to certain specific gods but not with others. Thus, a person may lack belief in one god, but deny the existence of another god.

Atheists and freethinkers have defined atheism relatively consistently over the past couple of centuries. Although a few have focused solely on the sense of "strong" atheism, many more have differentiated between "weak" and "strong" atheism.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#148760 Jan 17, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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What's a white sheet?
The Catcher white sheet is a virtual wall of separation between the (former) poster and the outside world. Once under the white sheet, the (former) poster no longer exists. He/she vanishes instantly.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148761 Jan 17, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I humble myself before you.
Please, have mercy.
Well, Clementia is the goddess of forgiveness and mercy, u know.

OK, get in the shower of mercy!! if u want mercy u gotta get in and ya gotta be in your birthday suit, those are the rules!!

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#148762 Jan 17, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I just thought of a cool movie idea...
Greek gods VS Norse gods...
Pat Pending
Pat is close to earning the white sheet too.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#148763 Jan 17, 2013
madscot wrote:
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You decide :
We believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world much as it exists today, but for reasons unknown made it appear that the universe is billions of years old (instead of thousands) and that life evolved into its current state (rather than created in its current form). Every time a researcher carries out an experiment that appears to confirm one of these scientific theories supporting an old earth and evolution we can be sure that the FSM is there, modifying the data with his Noodly Appendage. We dont know why He does this but we believe He does, that is our Faith.
By contrast, in laboratories, man has great opportunites to obtain preprogrammed answers, based on what he thinks he already knows. His faculties keenly focused on physical reality can hardly produce anything else. An atheist would never call an atom, alive, let alone conscious. Yet a collection of certain atoms assembled into a human form calls itself alive.

In many ways, atheists are befuddled creatures... forever prowling around the confines of their limited perceptions looking for an identity with meaning that science cannot provide. They've drawn a magic circle around their beliefs so that everything not in agreement seems dark and alien and unselflike. Instead they look backward at their rudimentary physical origins taking it for granted that evolution is over and they have arrived, kings of the mountain wondering, "Is this all there is?" We are here now for no particular reason, and when we're dead we're dead? They are afraid of those brilliant psychic fires that light up their inner landscape leading to the answers they seek. Afraid that path might lead to God.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#148764 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Your flying spaghetti monster cannot account for absolute moral standards...
Which exist, obviously, as everyone uses them.
So he fails very quickly.
So yes, a very poor analogy.
Dawkins is not a good person to rely on for a sound philosophical argument...
I don't rely on Dawkins. The FSM is the alpha and Omega for infinity.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148765 Jan 17, 2013
Clementia wrote:
Well, Clementia is the goddess of forgiveness and mercy, u know.
OK, get in the shower of mercy!! if u want mercy u gotta get in and ya gotta be in your birthday suit, those are the rules!!
You know what they say...

Rules are made to be followed diligently.

:)

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148766 Jan 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Pat is close to earning the white sheet too.
I think she'd look right at home under one of those.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#148767 Jan 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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" It is as disbelief in any gods ."
Wrong!
Merriam-Webster.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Not a disbelieve but a believe.
This is why every survey list Atheist ( a person that BELIEVES there is no God or gods) and non-believers separate.
ag·nos·tic\ag-ˈnäs-tik,əg -\
noun
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
It's so sad you can't get the difference in these two words.
Ok Prove there's a God to not believe in and I will say your right. Until then I really don't believe. I can believe you're an idiot though , because only idiots try to define and change what other people say they feel or think.

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