Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Thinking]

Probably Bob Nobgobbler's job is to mop up priests after they're done with the choir.

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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It is interesting that you would know the smell of a Queer's crotch.

[Serah]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>"Graven" means "carved" That's all.
"Image" means "picture or representation".
So, any carving of anything is out.

Here Mac, 61 Scriptures referring to graven in the KJV Bible (my preference)..... I can see many objects being idols, but I also see it as making GOD a MONEY Head as such.

We know that GOD does not want monetary value tossed HIS way, and nor did JESUS when HE tossed everything to do with sales and business out of the Temples.

We have also been told that there will be No Temples in the New Jerusalem; there will be no need as such. Nothing that is abominable (regardless of whom we think may deserve the title, we do not know, it is between each of us and our Maker)...

***Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.****

I am happily preparing myself for a new Realm, where there is no need for any Temples, because the Realm will be the Temple :)

Not sure what pathway you are seeking, but I am not detouring again for any reason or purpose; indeed I have outgrown the need :)

[Serah]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>"Graven" means "carved" That's all.
"Image" means "picture or representation".
So, any carving of anything is out.

Sorry, forgot the link :)

http://bibleencyclopedia.com/g/graven.htm

[Serah]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Why stop there?
Ephesians 5:25 (the very next verse) Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Proverbs 18:22 He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.
Hebrews 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
My wife submits to me and I to her. Are you not the same?

Cheers ~ perhaps that is where the word stalemate stems from; both sides are equal :)

[Thinking]

You were very brave to sell the vast majority of your possessions and give them away as the bible instructs.

Serah wrote:

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Here Mac, 61 Scriptures referring to graven in the KJV Bible (my preference)..... I can see many objects being idols, but I also see it as making GOD a MONEY Head as such.
We know that GOD does not want monetary value tossed HIS way, and nor did JESUS when HE tossed everything to do with sales and business out of the Temples.
We have also been told that there will be No Temples in the New Jerusalem; there will be no need as such. Nothing that is abominable (regardless of whom we think may deserve the title, we do not know, it is between each of us and our Maker)...
***Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.****
I am happily preparing myself for a new Realm, where there is no need for any Temples, because the Realm will be the Temple :)
Not sure what pathway you are seeking, but I am not detouring again for any reason or purpose; indeed I have outgrown the need :)

[Serah]

Lincoln wrote:

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Handed down orally for a few hundred years and then mistranslated into English.
Does she/he understand the difference between translation and interpretation?

We need to work with the Bible with that which is in our lives today as well, it is a Living Book, and swims with time :)

[Serah]

DWWashburn wrote:

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Is it nice, that the writers of the bible, gave opposing commands? How many verses say that a women is like property and how many say that she should be treated as an equal or better?
When you want a women to shut up, you use the appropriate verse and when you like her opinion, you use another verse!
Just my opinion, but if you don't see how the church leaders have used the bible to control the population, then you are just f'king dumb.

One of the most interesting books I read was Power without Glory, about Australia in the early 1900's, SP Bookies and illegal gambling, shonky politics and the Catholic Church.

***Catholic Church Admits They Made the Change > Sabbath Truth
www.sabbathtruth.com/.../catholic-church-admi... ...
Was the Sabbath changed from the seventh day of the week to the first?... Separation of Church and State ... Catholic Church Admits They Made the Change ... The Israelites received two laws from Moses: the law of Moses, that of ...“My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips”(Psalm 89:34)***

Who knows really what was altered but 'reading between the lines' and using your 'gut instinct' and applying what you are reading to that which it needs to be applied to, most of us are quite content getting the answers we receive.

[Serah]

***Power without Glory

Power Without Glory is a 1950 novel written by Australian writer Frank Hardy. It was later adapted into a mini-series by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (1976).

The novel is a fictionalised version of the life of Melbourne businessman and Australian Labor Party power-broker, John Wren. It is set in the fictitious Melbourne suburb of Carringbush, which is based on the actual suburbs of Abbotsford and Collingwood. In the novel, West is involved in criminal activities related to gambling and political machinations.

The book also included characters based on other important Victorian and Australian political figures, including:

Victorian Premier Sir Thomas Bent;
Prime Minister James Scullin;
Roman Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne Daniel Mannix (the character "Archbishop Malone");
Police commissioner Thomas O'Callaghan;
Detective David O'Donnell;
Socialist ALP politician and one-time deputy leader Frank Anstey (the character "Frank Ashton");
Ex-politician and notorious lawyer David Gaunson (the character "Davey Garside");
Returned soldier and racing official Gilbert Dyett (the character "Godfrey Dwyer");
Boxer Les Darcy;
Gangster Squizzy Taylor (the character "Snoopy Tanner"); and
Queensland Premier and then federal Treasurer Ted Theodore.

A fuller list of characters and locations is provided in the following section "Who's Who in the Novel".

The barely disguised motivation for the "West" character is made clear by the fact that West, like Wren, also has a brother called "Arthur" who spent time in jail for aiding and abetting a crime of rape.(Wren's other brother, Joseph, also appears in the novel.) Wren's wife Ellen Mahon appears as "Nellie", and there is space in the novel given to three of his children - his violinist daughter Margaret, his son John Jr., and another daughter who became a Communist bore similarities with Wren's radical daughter Mary who was an active member of the communist front organisation the Movement Against War and Fascism.

The novel is set during World War I, and the debate about conscription is a major issue in the novel. John West is a fierce patriot who supports conscription, and his sometimes fiery debates with the Irish-Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne, who opposes conscription on the grounds that to send men to aid England was against his, and Ireland's, historical enmity with that country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Without_Gl... ***

[River Tam]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>We need to work with the Bible with that which is in our lives today as well, it is a Living Book, and swims with time :)

I'm not even gonna talk to that right now.

You made my brain itch.

[Serah]

Thinking wrote:

You were very brave to sell the vast majority of your possessions and give them away as the bible instructs.
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I have started life over several times as such, and had nothing much to scratch meals together, but we got through those times. I now have that which GOD and I have since put together!!

In fact, nothing that has been tossed my way has been insurmountable, when I have needed strength, GOD gave it to me :)

[Aerobatty]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>More like the air fuel mixture is wrong. Ain't getting the acceleration I used to. Losing parts in between, so losing the momentum, too. Not a good corner for those sort of problems.

Time for a trade in.

Do a restoration.

Get a gym membership.

[Aerobatty]

Thinking wrote:

<quoted text>Try Subway? You'll find men providing food and filling rolls there.

(not that I recommend buying meals from chains)

At least subway is one of the better ones.

[River Tam]

Aerobatty wrote:

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Do a restoration.
Get a gym membership.

Stop smoking.

[scaritual]

River Tam wrote:

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I'm not even gonna talk to that right now.
You made my brain itch.

Yeah.

[Givemeliberty]

Find the quote of Hitler calling himself an atheist? He was a devout Christian and had Jews killed because he said they were Christ killers. In fact he had atheists killed as well and even proudly declared that there were no atheists left in Germany that he had wiped them out.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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And Hitler turned his back on his faith and his religion and because an atheist. Just as many of you have done.

[Serah]

River Tam wrote:

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I'm not even gonna talk to that right now.
You made my brain itch.

haha ~ give it a scratch LOL :)

[Givemeliberty]

You're welcome but no need to thank me. It is obvious you are a screaming nutter who needs some more time in the loony bin.

You know you love the attention even if it's negative. That's why you come to the atheist forum and make a jackass out of yourself you are desperate for attention.

Your god loves the smell of burning flesh especially little girls, just ask Jephtha.

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>And you are Prince Charming ~ hope you can find some medicine to help heal your heart.......

[_BobLoblah_]

Adam wrote:

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A self obsessed one probably. Talking about yourself in the third person is a give away.

17Jan13.....

.....Speaking about 'give away', you 'mada' are so filled with hate and envy and jealousy towards Bobloblah that you are fulla schidt to the eyeballs.

As your buddy 'dimKing'(thinking) would say....pissOFF ya sisterPhucker.

Ps:....you remain consistant though. You remain a real schidt-for-brains.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

[_BobLoblah_]

Thinking wrote:

Probably Bob Nobgobbler's job is to mop up priests after they're done with the choir.
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17Jan13.....

.....It now appears that your gracious Queen Elizabeth II, while being in 'da know' about your precious Jimmy Savile, still proceeded to give him a Knighthood.

Ps:....Vit haul yer thoughts about the Roman Catholic pope who is head of the Catholic Church, BobLoblah presumes that you now can campaign to rid yer country of da Queen. Yes!!!

'ol jimmySaville makes up for 450 priests...'Big Time'.

....What impression of the funeral, sendOFF, did you get as you sat there with tears in your eyes over all the times this monster made you laugh???

...and don't forget, BobLoblah is still waiting to hear back about how your Catholic Christian wife did at Christmas in church.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

[Aerobatty]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>I understand your point about the poles, but I see the telluric currents energizing the ice molecules, not simple old heat melting the ice.

For a pretty long time the earth has been collecting energies from space, and redirecting them within itself according to resistances within it. Those energies are almost all EM in nature, and the flows follow the path of least resistance. Too much resistance and you get earthquakes and such rearrangements. Climate is very much affected by this. The earth is a resistive conductor transferring energy from without and within.

Our industrial gases and other such endeavors have an indirect effect on the circuitry. What has a more direct effect is our EM production and emissions. They have a much more direct effect on the telluric currents. You stick that ground rod in the earth and you are connected. What you are pumping out in also pulling in from the earth. Supposed to all balance out, but it introduces resistances that effect the total flow. One interesting effect is the frequency disruption. Fifty and sixty cycle waves interacting with the Schumann resonance.

You are changing the potential values at the poles. The magnetosphere is polarizing incoming particles and waves that tend toward the poles. Setting up subcurrents energizing the ice molecules more than they would.

It is roughly like inducing an AC voltage upon a DC flow. Before the changes were dictated by cosmic forces hitting us. Now we are putting capacitors and resistors and inductors in that flow. Without a plan. Feedback to the normal flow.

Plus the heat from all of these computers.

You're senile.

Or something like that.