Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Serah

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Jan 15, 2013
 
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Because I was hit by a truck, vacated my body, realized I just died, went through the agony of losing my place here, woke up in another dimension, and was inches from stepping into another manifestation before being allowed back.
Didn't see one single god or any other entity. But there was something out there I did not want to encounter.
I was a non=believer. Had absolutely zero concern or even thought that my existence was about to cease. Never crossed my consciousness. Was just moving on to something else. It was all "natural" as can be.
Now, tell us what your experience in it is. You seem so very much in the know. Tell us all about it.
I read once of a robber shot on a sidewalk, and as the Paramedics were working on him, trying to revive him, he screamed and fought back to life... happened a few times, and he is now a believer. I tried to find his story (his young son was also with him at the time this happened) but found this instead;

*** Yet another story follows: "I (Dr. Rawlings) was giving CPR to a patient when the following incident occurred. I inserted a pacemaker through the shoulder and guided it through the vain into Charlie's heart. His heart stopped so I began to pound on the his heart, but as I did blood spurted out, I stopped to adjust the pacemaker. And as I did, Charlie's eyes would roll back in his head, he would sputter, turn blue, and convulse. This happened several times. Once while I was stopped to adjust the pacemaker Charlie screamed,'Don't stop, don't stop, I'm in Hell, I'm in Hell.' Hallucinations, I thought at first, but most victims say,'Take your big hands off me, your breaking my ribs,' but he was saying the opposite 'For Gods sake don't stop! Don't you understand, every time you stop I'm in Hell. When he asked me to pray for him I felt downright insulted. I told him to shut up, I'm a doctor, not a minister or a psychiatrist. Then the nurse gave me that expectant look. What would you do? That's when I composed a make believe prayer. I made him repeat the prayer to keep him off my back. Say it! Jesus Christ son of God, Keep me out of Hell. And a very strange thing took place. He was no longer that wild-eyed screaming lunatic. It was then that I too (Dr. Rawlings) became a Christian." (pg 37).

As I said earlier, Dr. Rawlings is not a Theologian, or a Minister, rather an unbiased Doctor who has written the findings of the patients he has resuscitated.

http://www.emjc3.com/helland.htm ***
Serah

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Jan 15, 2013
 
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Oh I agree the Bible says they shall not serve in leadership or teach in the ideology. However, women are clearly defined as inferior. Paul rationalizes that women were the cause of downfall of humans in Eden, thus they are to be blamed and subjugated by men. Who, by the way, also ate the fruit, but somehow that was also the woman's fault too. I guess in Christian ideology men are gullible and stupid, and women are smarter and therefore need to be controlled.
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In other words, there is no rationale. It is what it is because.
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Read the passage you quote. They are encouraged to serve as an example to each other, NOT teach or instruct in the Bible.
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LOL! Of course it does.
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Circular reasoning.
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Again, women are not to discuss religious ideology at all. The Bible says they are to be living examples merely, and subjugated in all ways to men. Any women who instructs in the Word is sinning. She must defer to her husband or a male relative. They can hand out all the Bibles they want, and tell everyone how much they love Jesus, but it can go no futher than that.
If it is good enough for JESUS to send HIS Prophecies through Mary, a Woman, then it went further than that a couple of thousand years ago, and there should be no issue with it today.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

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Jan 15, 2013
 
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Really, I'm not making this up--it was mentioned way back in high school chemistry class when we discussed vapor pressure. That was almost 50 years ago, so the phenomenon has been known for quite a while. Here's a little confirmation:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/conten...
I don't know for sure, but I would think glaciers evaporate as well, just not as fast as new mass is added by each year's snow. Global warming may be changing the rates of both factors, but not the phenomenon itself.
This was my point if you don't open the door much the vapor cant escape and the vapor will "form some ice elsewhere in the freezer".
But when its small trays they may disappear from them yes.

However in a more modern freezer the ice wont escape the tray under the ice maker and eventually turn into a solid block.
All the rest will still be somewhere in the freezer.
Like the water cycle of Earth itself.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
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Hearts pump blood, they are a muscle, as such they contain no intelligence.
Ahh, but they do hurt when we are emotional do they not?

***But how do emotions trigger physical sensations? Scientists do not know, but recently pain researchers uncovered a possible pathway from mind to body. According to a 2009 study from the University of Arizona and the University of Maryland, activity in a brain region that regulates emotional reactions called the anterior cingulate cortex helps to explain how an emotional insult can trigger a biological cascade. During a particularly stressful experience, the anterior cingulate cortex may respond by increasing the activity of the vagus nerve—the nerve that starts in the brain stem and connects to the neck, chest and abdomen. When the vagus nerve is overstimulated, it can cause pain and nausea.

Heartache is not the only way emotional and physical pain intersect in our brain. Reent studies show that even experiencing emotional pain on behalf of another person—that is, empathy—can influence our pain perception. And this empathy effect is not restricted to humans. In 2006 a paper published in Science revealed that when a mouse observes its cage mate in agony, its sensitivity to physical pain increases. And when it comes into close contact with a friendly, unharmed mouse, its sensitivity to pain diminishes.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm... ***

A bit sickening what they do to the mice, to prove a point, but nothing I will ever say will ever bring a stop to animal cruelty, so I just protest as often as I can :(

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Do you believe you'll return to that terrible place? I'm not being clever, just curious.
I'm better prepared when I do.

From my time on Topix here and thinking about it all, I have a suspicion the importance of religion is in planning for somewhere to go and do in the next transition. Like I said, I was a non-believer, and had nowhere to go. Can't say I have anything definite in mind, or even a religion, but maybe a better understanding when the time comes again.
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"Almost died" is not dead. We know why they see what they think they see, we have explained it. You ignore the facts simply because you hate your life so much you think you deserve another chance, or more of it. If you'd stop wasting time planning for something you "hope" exists and start living your life, you'd have a more fulfilling life.
Hate my life?

Are you for real?? More fulfilling? I have a great job, great kids and grandchildren that I love dearly, a dog I love to pieces, wild birds that inhabit my beautiful trees and gardens, a home that is perfectly peaceful and love my Ancestors that have passed away and have also received messages from them!!

You are ignoring my facts and I am taking heed of them.... and perhaps you hate your life?
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"Almost died" is not dead. We know why they see what they think they see, we have explained it. You ignore the facts simply because you hate your life so much you think you deserve another chance, or more of it. If you'd stop wasting time planning for something you "hope" exists and start living your life, you'd have a more fulfilling life.
Meant to add this but in my excitement at being alive, forgot to :)

***The book is full of people who have had near death experiences,(both positive and negative). Skeptics dismiss these near death experiences as the result of a oxygen-depraved mind, while Theologians think that often these people are seeing none other than Satan himself...(pg 47).

http://www.emjc3.com/helland.htm ***(same link as the other NDE's)

Obviously, I am not a skeptic, and obviously, you are!!
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Jan 15, 2013
 
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It really doesn't bother you that you are to be subjugated to men, can have any leadership roles, and can't even discuss Christian ideology?
I have since answered this.....
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Jan 15, 2013
 
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Ephesians 5:21-24: "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
Pretty clear, no?
You forgot this bit?

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Ahhhh; you stopped at 24 LOL
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Jan 15, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, well, if you're gonna pick and choose which of God's laws apply to you, so am I.
Good on you Mac, and so you should :)
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Jan 15, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently God really didn't know babies.
Of course, he never had one, so that might be excusable.
You presume GOD doesn't hear the screams.... yet Genesis 6:6 tells us a different story IMO
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Jan 15, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"Graven" means "carved" That's all.
"Image" means "picture or representation".
So, any carving of anything is out.
I don't idolize anything ~ there is no need when one holds GOD in their hearts :)
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Only if it's worshipped.
Exactly :)
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I see. So you are supposed to love your wife while she subjugates herself completely to you. It's like slavery, but with a pretty bow on top.
You stopped one scripture short Wilderide :) You are supposed to be 'bound to each other' and of course, you would be aware that men and women are created differently?

***Women not only have a greater variety of cones in the retina, they also have wider peripheral vision than men.

As a nest defender, a woman has rain software that allows her to receive an arc of at least 45° clear vision to each side of her head and above and below her nose. Many women’s peripheral vision is effective up to almost 180°.

A man’s eyes are configured for a type of long-distance tunnel vision which means which means that he can see clearly and accurately directly in front of him and over greater distances.

As a hunter, a man needed vision that would allow hime to zero in on, and pursue, targets in the distance. He evolved with almost blindered vision so that he would not be distracted from targets, whereas a woman needed eyes to allow a wide arc of vision so that she could monitor any predators sneaking up on the nest.

This is why modern men can find their way effortlessly to a distant pub, but can never find things in the fridge.

In the UK in 1997, there were 4,132 child pedestrians killed or injured on the roads, of which 2,640 were boys in 1,492 were girls. Boys takes more risks crossing the road than girls and this, combined with poorer peripheral vision, increases their injury rate.

Men’s brains, being pre-wired for hunting, see a much narrower field.
Women’s brains decode information over a wider peripheral range because of their past defending the nest.

http://roman-online.net/node/82 ***

We each had our roles to play..... and we were both meant to play fair :)

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Serah wrote:
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If it is good enough for JESUS to send HIS Prophecies through Mary, a Woman, then it went further than that a couple of thousand years ago, and there should be no issue with it today.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
What does Mary have to do with fact that you are to be subservient to men?

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Serah wrote:
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You forgot this bit?
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Ahhhh; you stopped at 24 LOL
Does the fact that your master is supposed to love you make him any less of a master over you?

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Jan 15, 2013
 
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>You stopped one scripture short Wilderide :) You are supposed to be 'bound to each other' and of course, you would be aware that men and women are created differently?
***Women not only have a greater variety of cones in the retina, they also have wider peripheral vision than men.
As a nest defender, a woman has rain software that allows her to receive an arc of at least 45° clear vision to each side of her head and above and below her nose. Many women’s peripheral vision is effective up to almost 180°.
A man’s eyes are configured for a type of long-distance tunnel vision which means which means that he can see clearly and accurately directly in front of him and over greater distances.
As a hunter, a man needed vision that would allow hime to zero in on, and pursue, targets in the distance. He evolved with almost blindered vision so that he would not be distracted from targets, whereas a woman needed eyes to allow a wide arc of vision so that she could monitor any predators sneaking up on the nest.
This is why modern men can find their way effortlessly to a distant pub, but can never find things in the fridge.
In the UK in 1997, there were 4,132 child pedestrians killed or injured on the roads, of which 2,640 were boys in 1,492 were girls. Boys takes more risks crossing the road than girls and this, combined with poorer peripheral vision, increases their injury rate.
Men’s brains, being pre-wired for hunting, see a much narrower field.
Women’s brains decode information over a wider peripheral range because of their past defending the nest.
http://roman-online.net/node/82 ***
We each had our roles to play..... and we were both meant to play fair :)
Yes, you each have your roles to play. Your role being the subservient, subjugated one, according to the Bible. I really can't fathom that you are OK with that.

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Jan 15, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I'm better prepared when I do.
From my time on Topix here and thinking about it all, I have a suspicion the importance of religion is in planning for somewhere to go and do in the next transition. Like I said, I was a non-believer, and had nowhere to go. Can't say I have anything definite in mind, or even a religion, but maybe a better understanding when the time comes again.
Other than that, how's it going, Dave?
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wilderide wrote:
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What does Mary have to do with fact that you are to be subservient to men?
I thought the Scripture would have had a bit more of an impact LOL; JESUS told Mary to go to the Disciples and pass on His message ~ as I said, if it is good enough for JESUS, well, it is good enough for me IMO
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wilderide wrote:
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Yes, you each have your roles to play. Your role being the subservient, subjugated one, according to the Bible. I really can't fathom that you are OK with that.
And the male (husband) should be loving, caring, protecting and also the provider of food.... No issues with that; just finding the man that fills the role is probably a tad hard :)

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