Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#148299 Jan 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Show up in a university class devoted to World War II and tell the class that your have discovered the Nazis were Christians :-)
Should be fun
Are you talking about middle America babble belt home school universities or accredited real universities

Because I have done some history at UCL, Manchester and Sterling Uniís (only as electives but thatís beside the point) so perhaps you are asking the wrong person to believe the lies you make for your god
Lincoln wrote:
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Thats interesting, Hitler .... gassing priests and nuns.
World War II, Sept 1 1939 Invasion of Poland;ended in 1945.
Several books on this, not difficult to read....
Yes I have read some books by US christian authors trying to distance themselves from the facts, not very convincing in the face of facts which tell a different story.

Yes he gassed Jews, Gypsies and Blacks too, as well as anyone else who opposed his what he thought was right for his country, You are attributing politics to religion here, why is that?

Lets look at some of those facts that you seem adamant did not exist

Hitler was baptised as Roman Catholic
Hitler attended a catholic monastery school
Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
Hitler was confirmed as a ďsoldier of Christ.Ē
Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church
Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius
The catholic church posted an envoy in the Nazi party advising what the catholic church would and would not accept. Facts of Hitlerís own writing
And of course there are many accounts (including his own) of his life, words and speeches Ė Thatís not stores make up in the 60 by the American need to distance there church from the artistes of that church.

However I would like to know where you get off denying another person his religion just because you donít like what that person did in the name of his church

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#148300 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> That's funny Dave there is no comparison of distance
between the circumference of our solar system, and the distance to the closet star.
9AU to Saturn
271,000 AU to Proxima Centauri
There is much inverse square difference between those.
You are forgetting something too. The Earth atmosphere and magnetic field is shielding us from the most intense radiation .
I believe Jupiter and Saturn have magnetic fields, too. Plus some shade to pass through.

Tell me, Saturn is 9 times further out than Earth. What fraction of the noon sun intensity on earth would fall on it's surface? How would that relate to changes here in the day?

“Think&Care”

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#148301 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I believe Jupiter and Saturn have magnetic fields, too. Plus some shade to pass through.
Tell me, Saturn is 9 times further out than Earth. What fraction of the noon sun intensity on earth would fall on it's surface? How would that relate to changes here in the day?
Actually, Saturn ranges in distance from the sun from a bit over 9 AU to a bit over 10 AU. That means the energy intensity there varies from about 1/80 to about 1/100 that on the Earth. Now, direct sunlight has an intensity rating of about 32,000 lux, while daylight (not direct sun) has an intensity of 10-25,000 lux.

If we consider the intensity at Saturn when it is furthest from the sun, we take 1/100 of the intensities here to find about 320 lux for 'direct' sunlight on Saturn and around 100-250 lux for 'daytime' on Saturn.

Now, typical office lighting is about 320-500 lux and 'dark, overcast day' is about 100 lux. Family living room lights are about 50 lux.

The conclusion: the light on Saturn in direct sunlight is about what is found in a typical office (on the dark side of these) and is more than a dark, overcast day on Earth. It is much more than the intensity produced from a typical living room light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux

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#148302 Jan 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Actually, Saturn ranges in distance from the sun from a bit over 9 AU to a bit over 10 AU. That means the energy intensity there varies from about 1/80 to about 1/100 that on the Earth. Now, direct sunlight has an intensity rating of about 32,000 lux, while daylight (not direct sun) has an intensity of 10-25,000 lux.
If we consider the intensity at Saturn when it is furthest from the sun, we take 1/100 of the intensities here to find about 320 lux for 'direct' sunlight on Saturn and around 100-250 lux for 'daytime' on Saturn.
Now, typical office lighting is about 320-500 lux and 'dark, overcast day' is about 100 lux. Family living room lights are about 50 lux.
The conclusion: the light on Saturn in direct sunlight is about what is found in a typical office (on the dark side of these) and is more than a dark, overcast day on Earth. It is much more than the intensity produced from a typical living room light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux
In our physical comfort zone.

It should be a little brighter adding the luminescence and tiny bit of incandescent light produced by Saturn. If you were a planet orbiting it.

Kind of like a greenhouse.

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#148303 Jan 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Actually, Saturn ranges in distance from the sun from a bit over 9 AU to a bit over 10 AU. That means the energy intensity there varies from about 1/80 to about 1/100 that on the Earth. Now, direct sunlight has an intensity rating of about 32,000 lux, while daylight (not direct sun) has an intensity of 10-25,000 lux.
If we consider the intensity at Saturn when it is furthest from the sun, we take 1/100 of the intensities here to find about 320 lux for 'direct' sunlight on Saturn and around 100-250 lux for 'daytime' on Saturn.
Now, typical office lighting is about 320-500 lux and 'dark, overcast day' is about 100 lux. Family living room lights are about 50 lux.
The conclusion: the light on Saturn in direct sunlight is about what is found in a typical office (on the dark side of these) and is more than a dark, overcast day on Earth. It is much more than the intensity produced from a typical living room light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux
120,000 lux for direct sunlight.
The figures are different in your link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight

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#148305 Jan 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
christians also opposed abolishing slavery, racial segregation and the emancipation of women.
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16Jan13.....

.....Christians also went in numbers and fought the muslimes in Jerusalem who were lopping off heads of those who were adverse to forced conversion.

Ps:....It was 'mostly' Christians....
who took on 'ol Hitler and ILK hAtheists in WWII along with the Red commies and da Japs....with hundreds of 'em from da UK.

....was yer daddy there!!!

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

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#148306 Jan 15, 2013
Adam wrote:
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You know, talking about yourself in the third person is a generally a sign of excessive self love, megalomania and self-importance.
I consider you to be a crazy person. However by rejecting the old testament and its insane laws there may be a glimmer of hope for you. And btw I am not an Atheist but an exC and Agnostic.
And your talk of love of Jesus is rubbish, because what this really means in love your fellow Jews. Because the christian cult was originally just a sect with Judaism, which your priests all know but will never admit!
Jesus according to them is the same God that gave Moses those insane laws. And in the NT Jesus he does not do away with the OT. Its all very confusing because he also prays to and worships Yahweh the god of the OT. Its nonsense of course, anyone with a brain can see that ;)
16Jan13.....

Its most obvious dat you have some ency and jealousy towards BobLoblah. Most of the eeejits hereIN do as they are ALL tarred vit da same brush.

......BobLoblah dinks dat you are fulla schidt to da eyeballs.

Things about the Old Testament and New Testament are only confusing to schidt-for-brains like you. However, its better that you be an agnostic than one of those hateful, hypocritical, hAtheists that permeate this topic hereIN.

Ps:.....Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Full stop.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#148307 Jan 15, 2013
DeckardFootKiss wrote:
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Still using that same ol' atheist tactic of being condescending to others? You see, there is a rational case for God and Christianity and indeed, there is a rational case for atheism. To me, evidence really does make more sense that there is a God.
I can never convince you to listen to Kent Hovid or Bob Dubko or to go on an internet search for biblical artifacts. Because if you are not willing to even listen, then why waste your time in an atheist forum when you really don't care? There is not going to be 100% proof of God to you unless you see Christ come down from the sky. And even then, you will say it was a hologram. I have strong faith because I do research and am always amazed at the new discoveries I find. I watch that Atheist Experience on YouTube sometimes and get irritated when so much of the atheist culture is about being condescending to others in hopes of winning them over to your way of thinking. I am not afraid of the thought of macro evolution, if I truly thought it were fact, I would believe it. Here's 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Q8DDIe_2cHMXX
I thought for a moment this was really a joke, but I can see you are serious. Do you know anything about Kent Hovind? Anything at all besides his insane rants against the facts of evolution? I'm wondering why anyone would consider his position? He is completely uneducated and certainly has no science background. Of course you do realize he is serving a 10 years in a federal prison for a number of tax offensives and money scams. He attended Mid-Western Baptist college and received his degree in RELIGIOUS EDUCATION. The college is a NON_ACCREDITED COLLEGE. The degree is worthless. He went on to receive his maters and doctorate from Patriot University. This is yet another NON-ACCEDITED College. He did this through a correspondence course. The program is no longer valid. Patriot University is a degree mill. You can get a degree in religious education for $25.00 in about a month. Want a real laugh, google Patriot University and look at the picture. It looks like a house trailer that has been converted into a garage, LOL.

This moonbat calles himself a "DOCTOR" He has no science background, is obviously a charlatan, a snake oil salesmen , yet people like you actually think he has valid points about evolution. Why isn't gullibility one of the 10 commandments? When you grow up try reading some big boy books on what 99% of all scientists consider to be factual, EVOLUTION.

All you have to do is realize that there have been 135,000 articles published in reputable scientific journals and periodical in support of the facts concerning evolution, and not ONE....ZERO articles to refute evolution, why is that? Please don't site articles written by creationists or articles from creation science, that alone is the worlds biggest oxymoron. See if you can find some articles in reputable peer review publications that refute the fact of evolution. Good luck, there aren't any!!!!

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#148308 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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120,000 lux for direct sunlight.
The figures are different in your link?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight
The light strength is about 1/81 of that falling on a square inch of Earth as he said. That is a lot of f stops for a given shutter speed. But if you are an orbiting planet you can add what hits you to what is also reflected, and a tiny bit emitted, by Saturn. Let's not forget geothermal infrared emitted by said planet and Saturn.

Which is more comfortable for a human being, standing in the shade, or an office, or out in the hot sun?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#148309 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The light strength is about 1/81 of that falling on a square inch of Earth as he said. That is a lot of f stops for a given shutter speed. But if you are an orbiting planet you can add what hits you to what is also reflected, and a tiny bit emitted, by Saturn. Let's not forget geothermal infrared emitted by said planet and Saturn.
Which is more comfortable for a human being, standing in the shade, or an office, or out in the hot sun?
Stellar magnitude Illuminance
Lux

Sun overhead -26.7 130000
Full daylight (not direct sun)-24 to -25 10000-25000
Overcast day -21 1000
Very dark overcast day -19 100
Twilight -16 10
Deep twilight -14 1
1 Candela at 1 meter distance -13.9 1.00
Full Moon overhead -12.5 0.267
Total starlight + airglow -6 2E-3
Total starlight only -5 2E-4
Venus at brightest -4.3 1.4E-4
Total starlight at overcast night -4 1E-4
Sirius -1.4 1E-5
0th-mag star 0 2.7E-6
1st-mag star +1 1.0E-6
6th-mag star +6 1.0E-8

1/100th 130,000 lux

1300 lux

Overcast day 1000

30% Brighter than overcast day, but still you couldn't look directly at the sun I don't think. Pretty sure it would permanently blind you.

http://stjarnhimlen.se/comp/radfaq.html

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#148310 Jan 15, 2013
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php...

Let's talk evolution.

Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.

Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.

Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".

Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.

EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.

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#148311 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Stellar magnitude Illuminance
Lux
Sun overhead -26.7 130000
Full daylight (not direct sun)-24 to -25 10000-25000
Overcast day -21 1000
Very dark overcast day -19 100
Twilight -16 10
Deep twilight -14 1
1 Candela at 1 meter distance -13.9 1.00
Full Moon overhead -12.5 0.267
Total starlight + airglow -6 2E-3
Total starlight only -5 2E-4
Venus at brightest -4.3 1.4E-4
Total starlight at overcast night -4 1E-4
Sirius -1.4 1E-5
0th-mag star 0 2.7E-6
1st-mag star +1 1.0E-6
6th-mag star +6 1.0E-8
1/100th 130,000 lux
1300 lux
Overcast day 1000
30% Brighter than overcast day, but still you couldn't look directly at the sun I don't think. Pretty sure it would permanently blind you.
http://stjarnhimlen.se/comp/radfaq.html
How bright is your computer monitor in comparison?

Would you go blind staring at the center of the galaxy? Lots of light coming from that direction.

Since: Mar 11

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#148312 Jan 15, 2013
The Big Bang was hot so duh duh life could not have come from that!

That's our duh duh Dave the garage magnet man.
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.ph p?record_id=11919&page=69
Let's talk evolution.
Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.
Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.
Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".
Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.
EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#148313 Jan 15, 2013
Dave is the flesh and blood Grampa Simpson.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
How bright is your computer monitor in comparison?
Would you go blind staring at the center of the galaxy? Lots of light coming from that direction.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#148314 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
How bright is your computer monitor in comparison?
Would you go blind staring at the center of the galaxy? Lots of light coming from that direction.

There is a vast difference in distance from source Dave .
Also in space the luminescence may be dimmer, but there are no clouds diffusing the light. It comes from a single point still.
That point is the size of a ball point pen tip.
Your Iris is wide open and your optic nerve getting fried.
Don't look at the sun Galileo , even when your orbiting Saturn :)

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#148315 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.ph p?record_id=11919&page=69
Let's talk evolution.
Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.
Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.
Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".
Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.
EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.

Momma! lol

“Think&Care”

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#148316 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.ph p?record_id=11919&page=69
Let's talk evolution.
Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.
Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.
Water has a positive vapor pressure even at low temperatures. If the humidity of the air is low, a water drop will evaporate even in the cold. This is not due to radiant energy. It is simply due to the motion of the molecules at the surface of the water. Furthermore, this effect has nothing to do with diamagnetism.
Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".
Um, no.
Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.
EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.
Huh?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148317 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>...Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Full stop.
On what do you base that on? The Christian claims are based on four anonymous gospels, which contradict each other throughout, and are strewn with errors and absurdities. So no, not a Son of God, just an ordinary person like you or me.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#148318 Jan 15, 2013
Adam wrote:
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On what do you base that on? The Christian claims are based on four anonymous gospels, which contradict each other throughout, and are strewn with errors and absurdities. So no, not a Son of God, just an ordinary person like you or me.
Not true.

“Think&Care”

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#148319 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The light strength is about 1/81 of that falling on a square inch of Earth as he said. That is a lot of f stops for a given shutter speed.
About 6-7, actually.

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