Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148273 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>16Jan13.....
.....so does your BBC and Queen Elizabeth II.
..
A ridiculous statement.
Lets get back to the issue here.
Slavery.
The bible translations use the word servant or manservant, whereas the true meaning is slave.
Brothers and sisters open your bibles at Leviticus chapter 25:
The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148274 Jan 15, 2013
continued/...

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.



When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.



Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)



Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148275 Jan 15, 2013
continued/...

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.



The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Conclusion - slavery is clearly present throughout the old and new testament. The "word of God" does not condemn slavery but opproves of it, giving instruction on obtaining slaves, beating them and keeping concubines. Just like its sister religion, Islam.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#148276 Jan 15, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
All of those are idols.
Your idols maybe, but not mine, they are just the Spiritual energy I enjoy in my home!!

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148277 Jan 15, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical creationist response - accuse theoster of being communist...
What does capitalism and placing value to art have to do with creationism. You are connecting dots where there are none.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148278 Jan 15, 2013
Adam wrote:
continued/...
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
16Jan13.....

.....You seem to 'pull' out of yer hat jest vot you need when it comess to the Old Testament.

ListenUP, ya schidt-for-brains. BobLoblah has always said that the Old Testament had many, many faults.....but for the times it was what it was. One can imagine what the world would have been like back then without a book of laws based on what it was 'with' a book of laws. The Old Testament was designed to keep people in line. Nothing more. Nothing less.

...And then came Jesus Christ, who set the precedent of how man should behave. He preached that 'Forgiveness' was the greatest gift. That greater than ALL the Commandments was to love one another. That to love one's neighbor more than thyself. And to suffer the little children to come unto Him.....and to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to GOD that which is GOD's.

...'for nobody comes to the Father but through Me, and nobody comes to Me except through the Father'.

...'Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My words shall never pass away'.

Ps:.....hateful, hypocritical hAtheists like you are the very first ones to make use of the Old Testament to try to 'comfort' your own selves in your decisions to convince yourselves that there is NO GOD.....while deep within yourselves you know that you are pissing against the wind.

..You are ALL hat and NO hay.

...go and save a horse; ride a cowboy.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148280 Jan 15, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Aye and why does he make shrimp and lobster taste so Good?
16Jan13.....

.....You like shrimp and lobster because it probably tastes the same as the smell of a Queer's crotch.

Ps:.....and den sum tooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148281 Jan 15, 2013
christians also opposed abolishing slavery, racial segregation and the emancipation of women.
Adam wrote:
continued/...
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Conclusion - slavery is clearly present throughout the old and new testament. The "word of God" does not condemn slavery but opproves of it, giving instruction on obtaining slaves, beating them and keeping concubines. Just like its sister religion, Islam.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148282 Jan 15, 2013
Sorry you will have to show proof for this assertion otherwise you just made it up. Show me the historical proof that THOUSANDS of atheists in America at that time were fighting to keep slavery going.
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
And thousands of atheists also fought to continue slavery. After all in atheism there is nothing wrong with slavery.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148283 Jan 15, 2013
Nope. The Christian south fought to keep dlavery even quoting biblical passages to back up their claim.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land are still competent to adjust in the best way all our present difficulty."
Abraham Lincoln.
Care to recant your ignorant statement?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148284 Jan 15, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Everything has a value. What are you a communist?
Most values are arbitrary.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148285 Jan 15, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Most values are arbitrary.
supply, demand, desire.. I know.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#148286 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> That would be incorrect , you underestimate the sun.
You can see clearly how much light come that far by this picture taken by the cassini spacecraft while Saturn was in front of the sun.
It light it up pretty good.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110904.html
If you look at the light side and dark side also , the light is quite strong even there from the sun.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060912.html
Time exposures and film sensitivity. You would not get a picture like that there with a Kodak Instamatic.

That is dim light out that far. You could bump into Neptune and Uranus because you could barely see them.

The gases catch the light energy and create a sort of fluorescent light. You don't have that intense direct light we have here. The sun is just a big star that far out.

The difference between being under fluorescent grow lights and an infrared bulb.

Saturn and Jupiter are planetary nurseries.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148287 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>BobLoblah has always said that the Old Testament had many, many faults..
You know, talking about yourself in the third person is a generally a sign of excessive self love, megalomania and self-importance.

I consider you to be a crazy person. However by rejecting the old testament and its insane laws there may be a glimmer of hope for you. And btw I am not an Atheist but an exC and Agnostic.

And your talk of love of Jesus is rubbish, because what this really means in love your fellow Jews. Because the christian cult was originally just a sect with Judaism, which your priests all know but will never admit!

Jesus according to them is the same God that gave Moses those insane laws. And in the NT Jesus he does not do away with the OT. Its all very confusing because he also prays to and worships Yahweh the god of the OT. Its nonsense of course, anyone with a brain can see that ;)

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#148288 Jan 15, 2013
http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~cbarnbau/astro_demos...

Check how long it takes for sunlight to hit the various planets and portions of the universe. Don't forget to figure in the inverse square law and it's loss of strength.

It takes 8 minutes to reach Earth, 45 for Jupiter, and 75 for Saturn.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148289 Jan 15, 2013
You crazy b!tches say the craziest sh!t you know that?

Go take your medicine jackass.
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>
This is similar to the the Cherubs I have hanging off of the lightshades...
*** http://www.3dmodelclub.com/cmsj15/models/all-... ***
***Definition of putti | Collins English Dictionary
www.collinsdictionary.com English Dictionary
noun.(plural)-ti (-t&#618;). a representation of a small boy, a cherub or cupid, esp in baroque painting or sculpture See also amoretto***
Not sure why you would say my lightshades aren't Cherubs, and point me in the direction of a meaning for Cherub, but what the heck, at least I learned a couple of new words...

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148290 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Time exposures and film sensitivity. You would not get a picture like that there with a Kodak Instamatic.
That is dim light out that far. You could bump into Neptune and Uranus because you could barely see them.
The gases catch the light energy and create a sort of fluorescent light. You don't have that intense direct light we have here. The sun is just a big star that far out.
The difference between being under fluorescent grow lights and an infrared bulb.
Saturn and Jupiter are planetary nurseries.


The intensity is the same, the area is smaller.
Looking at the sun from Saturn will make you just as blind as looking at it from here. The only difference is the amount of area damaged in the area it hits. Here it is about the size of an pencil erasure , there it would be the size of a ball point pin.

Both would make you blind in no time.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148291 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>And then came Jesus Christ, who set the precedent of how man should behave...That to love one's neighbor more than thyself.
Sound quite nice "to love one's neighbor". But its not how we think it.

One's "neighbor" really means male Jew. Cause in the bible gentiles are dogs and pigs. This is exactly what "loving" Jesus calls non Jews. All of them, from Moses to Jesus were revolting xenophobes, homophobes, racists and sexists. Maybe they had the excuse of being ignorant, we SHOULD know better.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148292 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~cbarn bau/astro_demos/distance/dist_ from_sun.html
Check how long it takes for sunlight to hit the various planets and portions of the universe. Don't forget to figure in the inverse square law and it's loss of strength.
It takes 8 minutes to reach Earth, 45 for Jupiter, and 75 for Saturn.
15,000 W/CM^2 is the intensity of sunlight at Saturn.
But if you were in it's atmosphere it would probably always be near dark.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#148293 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
The intensity is the same, the area is smaller.
Looking at the sun from Saturn will make you just as blind as looking at it from here. The only difference is the amount of area damaged in the area it hits. Here it is about the size of an pencil erasure , there it would be the size of a ball point pin.
Both would make you blind in no time.
Bullshit. You would have to stare at it for a long time. By your logic you would go blind looking at stars.

http://www.geofflawrence.com/inverse_square_l...

Saturn is what, 9 times further away?

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