Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148283 Jan 15, 2013
Nope. The Christian south fought to keep dlavery even quoting biblical passages to back up their claim.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land are still competent to adjust in the best way all our present difficulty."
Abraham Lincoln.
Care to recant your ignorant statement?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148284 Jan 15, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Everything has a value. What are you a communist?
Most values are arbitrary.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148285 Jan 15, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Most values are arbitrary.
supply, demand, desire.. I know.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148286 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> That would be incorrect , you underestimate the sun.
You can see clearly how much light come that far by this picture taken by the cassini spacecraft while Saturn was in front of the sun.
It light it up pretty good.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110904.html
If you look at the light side and dark side also , the light is quite strong even there from the sun.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060912.html
Time exposures and film sensitivity. You would not get a picture like that there with a Kodak Instamatic.

That is dim light out that far. You could bump into Neptune and Uranus because you could barely see them.

The gases catch the light energy and create a sort of fluorescent light. You don't have that intense direct light we have here. The sun is just a big star that far out.

The difference between being under fluorescent grow lights and an infrared bulb.

Saturn and Jupiter are planetary nurseries.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148287 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>BobLoblah has always said that the Old Testament had many, many faults..
You know, talking about yourself in the third person is a generally a sign of excessive self love, megalomania and self-importance.

I consider you to be a crazy person. However by rejecting the old testament and its insane laws there may be a glimmer of hope for you. And btw I am not an Atheist but an exC and Agnostic.

And your talk of love of Jesus is rubbish, because what this really means in love your fellow Jews. Because the christian cult was originally just a sect with Judaism, which your priests all know but will never admit!

Jesus according to them is the same God that gave Moses those insane laws. And in the NT Jesus he does not do away with the OT. Its all very confusing because he also prays to and worships Yahweh the god of the OT. Its nonsense of course, anyone with a brain can see that ;)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148288 Jan 15, 2013
http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~cbarnbau/astro_demos...

Check how long it takes for sunlight to hit the various planets and portions of the universe. Don't forget to figure in the inverse square law and it's loss of strength.

It takes 8 minutes to reach Earth, 45 for Jupiter, and 75 for Saturn.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148289 Jan 15, 2013
You crazy b!tches say the craziest sh!t you know that?

Go take your medicine jackass.
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>
This is similar to the the Cherubs I have hanging off of the lightshades...
*** http://www.3dmodelclub.com/cmsj15/models/all-... ***
***Definition of putti | Collins English Dictionary
www.collinsdictionary.com › English Dictionary
noun.(plural)-ti (-t&#618;). a representation of a small boy, a cherub or cupid, esp in baroque painting or sculpture See also amoretto***
Not sure why you would say my lightshades aren't Cherubs, and point me in the direction of a meaning for Cherub, but what the heck, at least I learned a couple of new words...

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148290 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Time exposures and film sensitivity. You would not get a picture like that there with a Kodak Instamatic.
That is dim light out that far. You could bump into Neptune and Uranus because you could barely see them.
The gases catch the light energy and create a sort of fluorescent light. You don't have that intense direct light we have here. The sun is just a big star that far out.
The difference between being under fluorescent grow lights and an infrared bulb.
Saturn and Jupiter are planetary nurseries.


The intensity is the same, the area is smaller.
Looking at the sun from Saturn will make you just as blind as looking at it from here. The only difference is the amount of area damaged in the area it hits. Here it is about the size of an pencil erasure , there it would be the size of a ball point pin.

Both would make you blind in no time.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148291 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>And then came Jesus Christ, who set the precedent of how man should behave...That to love one's neighbor more than thyself.
Sound quite nice "to love one's neighbor". But its not how we think it.

One's "neighbor" really means male Jew. Cause in the bible gentiles are dogs and pigs. This is exactly what "loving" Jesus calls non Jews. All of them, from Moses to Jesus were revolting xenophobes, homophobes, racists and sexists. Maybe they had the excuse of being ignorant, we SHOULD know better.

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148292 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~cbarn bau/astro_demos/distance/dist_ from_sun.html
Check how long it takes for sunlight to hit the various planets and portions of the universe. Don't forget to figure in the inverse square law and it's loss of strength.
It takes 8 minutes to reach Earth, 45 for Jupiter, and 75 for Saturn.
15,000 W/CM^2 is the intensity of sunlight at Saturn.
But if you were in it's atmosphere it would probably always be near dark.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148293 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
The intensity is the same, the area is smaller.
Looking at the sun from Saturn will make you just as blind as looking at it from here. The only difference is the amount of area damaged in the area it hits. Here it is about the size of an pencil erasure , there it would be the size of a ball point pin.
Both would make you blind in no time.
Bullshit. You would have to stare at it for a long time. By your logic you would go blind looking at stars.

http://www.geofflawrence.com/inverse_square_l...

Saturn is what, 9 times further away?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148294 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> 15,000 W/CM^2 is the intensity of sunlight at Saturn.
But if you were in it's atmosphere it would probably always be near dark.
If you were on a planet in its orbit it would be like looking at a dimmer scene in a movie theater.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#148295 Jan 15, 2013
Because you bi polar screaming freak nobody knows what he really looked like and that's because we have no historical proof he even existed.

The current Jesus image was stolen from Apollo.
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know that they have portrayed the image of JESUS wrong?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148296 Jan 15, 2013
There is no way the planets could be regarded as gods viewed from the perspective of today. They are just too small and insignificant. However, if this planet, and man, originated further out and closer to them, they would take on much more significance. Plus the difference in orbital speeds would add much to how they were viewed and regarded.

The lighting would not be near as harsh as it is now.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#148297 Jan 15, 2013
Have anymore table saw finger severing accidents Grampa Simpson?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. You would have to stare at it for a long time. By your logic you would go blind looking at stars.
http://www.geofflawrence.com/inverse_square_l...
Saturn is what, 9 times further away?

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148298 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. You would have to stare at it for a long time. By your logic you would go blind looking at stars.
http://www.geofflawrence.com/inverse_square_l...
Saturn is what, 9 times further away?
That's funny Dave there is no comparison of distance
between the circumference of our solar system, and the distance to the closet star.

9AU to Saturn

271,000 AU to Proxima Centauri

There is much inverse square difference between those.

You are forgetting something too. The Earth atmosphere and magnetic field is shielding us from the most intense radiation .

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#148299 Jan 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Show up in a university class devoted to World War II and tell the class that your have discovered the Nazis were Christians :-)
Should be fun
Are you talking about middle America babble belt home school universities or accredited real universities

Because I have done some history at UCL, Manchester and Sterling Uni’s (only as electives but that’s beside the point) so perhaps you are asking the wrong person to believe the lies you make for your god
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats interesting, Hitler .... gassing priests and nuns.
World War II, Sept 1 1939 Invasion of Poland;ended in 1945.
Several books on this, not difficult to read....
Yes I have read some books by US christian authors trying to distance themselves from the facts, not very convincing in the face of facts which tell a different story.

Yes he gassed Jews, Gypsies and Blacks too, as well as anyone else who opposed his what he thought was right for his country, You are attributing politics to religion here, why is that?

Lets look at some of those facts that you seem adamant did not exist

Hitler was baptised as Roman Catholic
Hitler attended a catholic monastery school
Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
Hitler was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.”
Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church
Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius
The catholic church posted an envoy in the Nazi party advising what the catholic church would and would not accept. Facts of Hitler’s own writing
And of course there are many accounts (including his own) of his life, words and speeches – That’s not stores make up in the 60 by the American need to distance there church from the artistes of that church.

However I would like to know where you get off denying another person his religion just because you don’t like what that person did in the name of his church

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148300 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> That's funny Dave there is no comparison of distance
between the circumference of our solar system, and the distance to the closet star.
9AU to Saturn
271,000 AU to Proxima Centauri
There is much inverse square difference between those.
You are forgetting something too. The Earth atmosphere and magnetic field is shielding us from the most intense radiation .
I believe Jupiter and Saturn have magnetic fields, too. Plus some shade to pass through.

Tell me, Saturn is 9 times further out than Earth. What fraction of the noon sun intensity on earth would fall on it's surface? How would that relate to changes here in the day?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#148301 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe Jupiter and Saturn have magnetic fields, too. Plus some shade to pass through.
Tell me, Saturn is 9 times further out than Earth. What fraction of the noon sun intensity on earth would fall on it's surface? How would that relate to changes here in the day?
Actually, Saturn ranges in distance from the sun from a bit over 9 AU to a bit over 10 AU. That means the energy intensity there varies from about 1/80 to about 1/100 that on the Earth. Now, direct sunlight has an intensity rating of about 32,000 lux, while daylight (not direct sun) has an intensity of 10-25,000 lux.

If we consider the intensity at Saturn when it is furthest from the sun, we take 1/100 of the intensities here to find about 320 lux for 'direct' sunlight on Saturn and around 100-250 lux for 'daytime' on Saturn.

Now, typical office lighting is about 320-500 lux and 'dark, overcast day' is about 100 lux. Family living room lights are about 50 lux.

The conclusion: the light on Saturn in direct sunlight is about what is found in a typical office (on the dark side of these) and is more than a dark, overcast day on Earth. It is much more than the intensity produced from a typical living room light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148302 Jan 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Saturn ranges in distance from the sun from a bit over 9 AU to a bit over 10 AU. That means the energy intensity there varies from about 1/80 to about 1/100 that on the Earth. Now, direct sunlight has an intensity rating of about 32,000 lux, while daylight (not direct sun) has an intensity of 10-25,000 lux.
If we consider the intensity at Saturn when it is furthest from the sun, we take 1/100 of the intensities here to find about 320 lux for 'direct' sunlight on Saturn and around 100-250 lux for 'daytime' on Saturn.
Now, typical office lighting is about 320-500 lux and 'dark, overcast day' is about 100 lux. Family living room lights are about 50 lux.
The conclusion: the light on Saturn in direct sunlight is about what is found in a typical office (on the dark side of these) and is more than a dark, overcast day on Earth. It is much more than the intensity produced from a typical living room light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux
In our physical comfort zone.

It should be a little brighter adding the luminescence and tiny bit of incandescent light produced by Saturn. If you were a planet orbiting it.

Kind of like a greenhouse.

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