Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148308 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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120,000 lux for direct sunlight.
The figures are different in your link?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight
The light strength is about 1/81 of that falling on a square inch of Earth as he said. That is a lot of f stops for a given shutter speed. But if you are an orbiting planet you can add what hits you to what is also reflected, and a tiny bit emitted, by Saturn. Let's not forget geothermal infrared emitted by said planet and Saturn.

Which is more comfortable for a human being, standing in the shade, or an office, or out in the hot sun?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148309 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The light strength is about 1/81 of that falling on a square inch of Earth as he said. That is a lot of f stops for a given shutter speed. But if you are an orbiting planet you can add what hits you to what is also reflected, and a tiny bit emitted, by Saturn. Let's not forget geothermal infrared emitted by said planet and Saturn.
Which is more comfortable for a human being, standing in the shade, or an office, or out in the hot sun?
Stellar magnitude Illuminance
Lux

Sun overhead -26.7 130000
Full daylight (not direct sun)-24 to -25 10000-25000
Overcast day -21 1000
Very dark overcast day -19 100
Twilight -16 10
Deep twilight -14 1
1 Candela at 1 meter distance -13.9 1.00
Full Moon overhead -12.5 0.267
Total starlight + airglow -6 2E-3
Total starlight only -5 2E-4
Venus at brightest -4.3 1.4E-4
Total starlight at overcast night -4 1E-4
Sirius -1.4 1E-5
0th-mag star 0 2.7E-6
1st-mag star +1 1.0E-6
6th-mag star +6 1.0E-8

1/100th 130,000 lux

1300 lux

Overcast day 1000

30% Brighter than overcast day, but still you couldn't look directly at the sun I don't think. Pretty sure it would permanently blind you.

http://stjarnhimlen.se/comp/radfaq.html

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148310 Jan 15, 2013
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php...

Let's talk evolution.

Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.

Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.

Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".

Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.

EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148311 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Stellar magnitude Illuminance
Lux
Sun overhead -26.7 130000
Full daylight (not direct sun)-24 to -25 10000-25000
Overcast day -21 1000
Very dark overcast day -19 100
Twilight -16 10
Deep twilight -14 1
1 Candela at 1 meter distance -13.9 1.00
Full Moon overhead -12.5 0.267
Total starlight + airglow -6 2E-3
Total starlight only -5 2E-4
Venus at brightest -4.3 1.4E-4
Total starlight at overcast night -4 1E-4
Sirius -1.4 1E-5
0th-mag star 0 2.7E-6
1st-mag star +1 1.0E-6
6th-mag star +6 1.0E-8
1/100th 130,000 lux
1300 lux
Overcast day 1000
30% Brighter than overcast day, but still you couldn't look directly at the sun I don't think. Pretty sure it would permanently blind you.
http://stjarnhimlen.se/comp/radfaq.html
How bright is your computer monitor in comparison?

Would you go blind staring at the center of the galaxy? Lots of light coming from that direction.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#148312 Jan 15, 2013
The Big Bang was hot so duh duh life could not have come from that!

That's our duh duh Dave the garage magnet man.
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.ph p?record_id=11919&page=69
Let's talk evolution.
Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.
Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.
Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".
Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.
EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#148313 Jan 15, 2013
Dave is the flesh and blood Grampa Simpson.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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How bright is your computer monitor in comparison?
Would you go blind staring at the center of the galaxy? Lots of light coming from that direction.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148314 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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How bright is your computer monitor in comparison?
Would you go blind staring at the center of the galaxy? Lots of light coming from that direction.

There is a vast difference in distance from source Dave .
Also in space the luminescence may be dimmer, but there are no clouds diffusing the light. It comes from a single point still.
That point is the size of a ball point pen tip.
Your Iris is wide open and your optic nerve getting fried.
Don't look at the sun Galileo , even when your orbiting Saturn :)

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#148315 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.ph p?record_id=11919&page=69
Let's talk evolution.
Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.
Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.
Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".
Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.
EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.

Momma! lol

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#148316 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.ph p?record_id=11919&page=69
Let's talk evolution.
Organic life requires water. It requires water to even form to begin the process of evolution. It requires a fairly stable temperature for it to sustain itself enough to even evolve. This is true down to the lowest level.
Watch the dew evaporate. It does it on cold days. It isn't radiant heat evaporating it, it is energy absorption causing the molecules to separate. Diamagnetism.
Water has a positive vapor pressure even at low temperatures. If the humidity of the air is low, a water drop will evaporate even in the cold. This is not due to radiant energy. It is simply due to the motion of the molecules at the surface of the water. Furthermore, this effect has nothing to do with diamagnetism.
Look at the Big Bang theory. Got hot and "exploded".
Um, no.
Earth in its present location is just not conducive for life to spring out of nowhere. Too much variation. However, life that started someplace else could adapt.
EM. THE energetic force that creates everything you can see or touch. It started somewhere.
Huh?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148317 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>...Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Full stop.
On what do you base that on? The Christian claims are based on four anonymous gospels, which contradict each other throughout, and are strewn with errors and absurdities. So no, not a Son of God, just an ordinary person like you or me.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#148318 Jan 15, 2013
Adam wrote:
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On what do you base that on? The Christian claims are based on four anonymous gospels, which contradict each other throughout, and are strewn with errors and absurdities. So no, not a Son of God, just an ordinary person like you or me.
Not true.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#148319 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The light strength is about 1/81 of that falling on a square inch of Earth as he said. That is a lot of f stops for a given shutter speed.
About 6-7, actually.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148320 Jan 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Dave is the flesh and blood Grampa Simpson.
<quoted text>
My age is higher than your IQ.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148321 Jan 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Water has a positive vapor pressure even at low temperatures. If the humidity of the air is low, a water drop will evaporate even in the cold. This is not due to radiant energy. It is simply due to the motion of the molecules at the surface of the water. Furthermore, this effect has nothing to do with diamagnetism.
<quoted text>
Um, no.
<quoted text>
Huh?
Perhaps the motion of the molecules is caused by the absorption of light energy?

I've posted before about watching frost on windshields on frozen mornings evaporate before direct sunlight hits them. The sun was just coming up and still behind the mountains. A mile high and low humidity. Scattering from the atmosphere. Low level intensity. This sets up a current, resulting in that lowest temperature of the day after sunrise phenomenon, caused by the Peltier-Seebeck effect.

EM, son, it's all about the EM. Motion.

Could have sworn the BBT is based upon a superhot and superdense something or other suddenly expanding and then separating, then creating individual forms from condensing.

Boil water. Melt some gold. Melt some platinum. Let the vapor encounter an outside force and see if they condense differently. Or something like that.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148322 Jan 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
About 6-7, actually.
That would be like an F22 here requiring an f2.8 there?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148323 Jan 15, 2013
Hmmm..

Let's see, to accomplish a certain amount of work or something or other, you have a energy and time thingy to consider. Like those f stops and shutter speed thingies.

So, on Saturn, to transfer a certain amount of energy, which turns into mass in some instances, it is going to take a lot longer to collect said energy and process it into the desired product. Or something like that.

Of course, modern physics sees it as accretions of pre-formed products being impacted by external energies. But the sustainability of these products is still dependent upon the energy being absorbed versus distance traveled, time, Or something like that. Something of a relativistic nature.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#148324 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Perhaps the motion of the molecules is caused by the absorption of light energy?
Some is, but not the main part. The main part of the motion is simply due to temperature.
I've posted before about watching frost on windshields on frozen mornings evaporate before direct sunlight hits them. The sun was just coming up and still behind the mountains. A mile high and low humidity. Scattering from the atmosphere. Low level intensity. This sets up a current, resulting in that lowest temperature of the day after sunrise phenomenon, caused by the Peltier-Seebeck effect.
Yes, even the solid ice has a vapor pressure due to the temperature.
EM, son, it's all about the EM. Motion.
Some things are due to EM and others are not. Motion is generally not.
Could have sworn the BBT is based upon a superhot and superdense something or other suddenly expanding and then separating, then creating individual forms from condensing.
Not quite. The *whole universe* was hot and expanding just *after* the BB. it is not the case of something *previous* heating up and then expanding.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#148325 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That would be like an F22 here requiring an f2.8 there?
Yes, that's about right. For the same shutter speeds.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#148326 Jan 15, 2013
Says the self proclaimed deist who tells people to believe in god or burn in hell? Asswipe Dave doesn't even know what a deist is!

Oh and how about Cassandra Peterson never posed nude? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!

Glad to have you back half wit, do try not to cut off your own fingers again. I am sure you will be dazzling us with your garage magnet and strings experiments that proves god.

Lmfao! Yes you are the topic version of Grampa Simpson.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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My age is higher than your IQ.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#148327 Jan 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Some is, but not the main part. The main part of the motion is simply due to temperature.
<quoted text>
Yes, even the solid ice has a vapor pressure due to the temperature.
<quoted text>
Some things are due to EM and others are not. Motion is generally not.
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Not quite. The *whole universe* was hot and expanding just *after* the BB. it is not the case of something *previous* heating up and then expanding.
The base temp is determined by conductive heat from the environment. It is that scattered light energy sending it off zooming.

Gravity can cause nuclear particles to start moving, but it is EM that combines them, and that can then provide propulsion in addition to attraction. EM doesn't sit still.

Air temp is colder at 7 AM than at 4 AM. Yet that dew starts dissembling.

Humidity tends to be highest in the morning. Increased scattering of light as the sun rises cooks it off. Except it places it can't escape. I've seen it go from 80% in the morning here to 8% in the late afternoon, and it is only 4000 feet. The humidity can be quite low at night.

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