Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Serah

Australia

#148257 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Haven't I quoted those verses enough for you? You sit there and bitch that I quote the same verses, over and over, then you have the nerve to ask a stupid question like that!
Yeah ~ don't repost them, you never like my responses anyway LOL
Serah

Australia

#148258 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Read it slowly, then I will explain your error.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
First, "Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image". Notice that it states that you shalt not MAKE.
Second, "Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down". Two separate commandments.
Now, the only thing left is the term 'graven'. Who determines if you are worshiping an image or not? Obviously the catholics bow in front of statues and pray while holding objects. What about people who pray in front of a cross? Is it a symbol? Does it replace an image of jesus?
What is the difference between you praying in front of an empty cross and a follower of baal praying in front of a golden calf? The follower of baal does not believe that the golden calf that he just made is baal anymore than you believe that the cross is jesus.
The difference is simple; you rationalize your behavior and demonize the same behavior from others.
Noticed the make bit, and haven't made any graven image..

Noticed the bow down bit? Don't bow down either.... but have written many times my Home is my Church and my Body is my Temple, and there is no religion I can call my own.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148259 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>That doesn't mean you can't feed your babies, or wash yourself..... nor do I have strangers within my gates LOL!!
Thank you for clarifying what god meant! What would we do without you and all your various friends from so many various denominations, explaining that you know what god meant!

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148260 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know that they have portrayed the image of JESUS wrong?
I wonder why there are so many variations on how he looked? They all must be right, but yours is more right, right? LOL!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148261 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah ~ don't repost them, you never like my responses anyway LOL
LOL, Blacksheep, I never liked those verses, so I didn't pay any attention to them! If I don't like them, then god never meant them.

Believe me, serah, I know how you are.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148262 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Noticed the make bit, and haven't made any graven image..
Noticed the bow down bit? Don't bow down either.... but have written many times my Home is my Church and my Body is my Temple, and there is no religion I can call my own.
LOL! good one! Rationalization at its best!

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148263 Jan 14, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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It is placing an artificial value on the object, thus you are worshiping it.
Everything has a value. What are you a communist?

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148264 Jan 14, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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I disagree. Printmaking is an art that produces multiple copies by its very nature. Using technology to reproduce a work of art does not detract from the artistry that went into making the original. A piece's merit lies in its beauty and expressiveness, not the means by which it came to be.
Agreed.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#148265 Jan 14, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Everything has a value. What are you a communist?
Typical creationist response - accuse theoster of being communist...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#148266 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know that they have portrayed the image of JESUS wrong?
You have no proof of god,- you're lying about it , we're not at stupid...

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#148267 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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LOL! good one! Rationalization at its best!
Your projecting...
Anonymous

Snellville, GA

#148268 Jan 14, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You have no proof of god,- you're lying about it , we're not at stupid...
Still using that same ol' atheist tactic of being condescending to others? You see, there is a rational case for God and Christianity and indeed, there is a rational case for atheism. To me, evidence really does make more sense that there is a God.

I can never convince you to listen to Kent Hovid or Bob Dubko or to go on an internet search for biblical artifacts. Because if you are not willing to even listen, then why waste your time in an atheist forum when you really don't care? There is not going to be 100% proof of God to you unless you see Christ come down from the sky. And even then, you will say it was a hologram. I have strong faith because I do research and am always amazed at the new discoveries I find. I watch that Atheist Experience on YouTube sometimes and get irritated when so much of the atheist culture is about being condescending to others in hopes of winning them over to your way of thinking. I am not afraid of the thought of macro evolution, if I truly thought it were fact, I would believe it. Here's 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid:

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148269 Jan 14, 2013
Thinking wrote:
In bob nobgobbler's case: "Scrotum, scrotum, scrotum, sore hide!"
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16Jan13.....

.....Ya read'em ALL don'tCha, ya schidt-for-brains.

Ps:....Read'em and weep.

Forever and Ever

BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148270 Jan 14, 2013
Thinking wrote:
In bob nobgobbler's case: "Scrotum, scrotum, scrotum, sore hide!"
<quoted text>
16Jan13.....

.....didCher Catholic Christian wife make it to church during Christmas!!!

Ps:.....or is she a hypocrite like you, ya eeejit.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148271 Jan 14, 2013
Thinking wrote:
And Atheists. He's making loads of them, more every year.
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16Jan13.....

.....Not nearly as many as the muslimes dat keep showing up in your neighborhood.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148272 Jan 14, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The 10 commandments allow child abuse and slavery.
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16Jan13.....

.....so does your BBC and Queen Elizabeth II.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148273 Jan 15, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>16Jan13.....
.....so does your BBC and Queen Elizabeth II.
..
A ridiculous statement.
Lets get back to the issue here.
Slavery.
The bible translations use the word servant or manservant, whereas the true meaning is slave.
Brothers and sisters open your bibles at Leviticus chapter 25:
The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148274 Jan 15, 2013
continued/...

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.



When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.



Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)



Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#148275 Jan 15, 2013
continued/...

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.



The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Conclusion - slavery is clearly present throughout the old and new testament. The "word of God" does not condemn slavery but opproves of it, giving instruction on obtaining slaves, beating them and keeping concubines. Just like its sister religion, Islam.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#148276 Jan 15, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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All of those are idols.
Your idols maybe, but not mine, they are just the Spiritual energy I enjoy in my home!!

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