Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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jove2013 wrote:
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Why bother trying to figure the bible out, you can get more morality out of a couple of episodes of Star Trek
Which couple of episodes do you recommend?

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The Ten Commandments
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.(Other "gods" can include possessions, power or prominence.)
Just checking. Does that include my vibrator? Cuz........

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<quoted text>Yeah ~ knew someone would find that information, not hard to find is it? Wait until you experience your own Out of Body Experience, and then tell us about lack of oxygen! Oh, but wait, what realm will you be residing in? Like the Water Bug and the Dragon Fly, will you be able to get back to humans and pass on your message of a new life? A Dragon Fly, although drawn to water, can nor ever will penetrate the water and return to where it came from? How will it pass on a message of a new life? And how will you?
Oh, you mean like the time I drank too much? Yeah, still just hallucinations, though I couldn't tell the difference at the time ... that was until I actually saw the video recording of what really happened.

But then, I'm smart enough to actually, well ... pay attention. At least when I'm not drunk.

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Did I claim to be promoting myself as a role model? How about you seek professional help and be a human with her brain chemicals balanced?

Effing fruitcake! Hey you should look up non religious NDEs! They are a hoot!
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<quoted text>Are you promoting yourself as a Role Model? Ever thought about seeking professional help and becoming human, with a heart?

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<quoted text>Follow the simple 10 Statutes of GOD and you can't go wrong.... a lot easier than trying to sort through the millions of man made laws we have to contend with :)
Actually, your bible claims at least 613 commandments...

http://www.aish.com/h/sh/se/48945081.html

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Snevaeh legna wrote:
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I not only respect the fact that you do not, I welcome it.
What I said is true...
What I don't understand is why you can't see the reasoning behind the different secs.(respectfully) We have free choice. You can take one paragraph of any kind, and see it in a different light, or view.
It has to be one or the other. Does the holy spirit guide you to the proper understanding or not?

If a mormon and a catholic really want to give their life to god, why doesn't the holy spirit give them the correct understanding of what god wants?
Snevaeh legna wrote:
The Jews themselves interpreted the Hebrew Bible in different ways. Christians went beyond that by taking passages out of context to justify their view of Jesus as a suffering divine savior who died for our redemtion.(Which he did)
No, you have faith, belief without evidence, that he did. Nothing more.
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Christians argue that Jews are blind to the meaning of their own writings, while the Jews consider the Christian interpretations of gross distortions.
With the Muslim teachings, there are some similarities between Muslims and Christianity. With that being said, there are some major theological differences, as well. Islam does not believe that God can be divided into a 'Trinity'(God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) and consider God to be one being. Christians (I) believe in all three.
Of course you believe that. It is called, "Indoctrination". Neither the jews nor the muslims believe that god is three in one.
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It all comes down to what I said. First, you must believe in God. Ask God for 'Wisdom and Understanding' for the unknown. He will blatantly open your eyes.
Obviously, it is not that simple. People have been killing and dying for the same god. Either the holy spirit is not teaching or giving proper understanding to all believers. It is stupid to believe that a person, who is willing to die for his god, has not ask for wisdom and understanding.

Either they are not getting it or you are not getting it. Since your bible clearly states that you must kill non-believers, I would say the evidence stands against you not getting it.
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It's that simple... People make acknowledgement of this so difficult... when it doesn't have to be.:) SL
You need to sit back and reexamine your beliefs and why you have them. Well, you don't really need to, you can stay in your blissful ignorance.

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Jan 13, 2013
 
jove2013 wrote:
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Why bother trying to figure the bible out, you can get more morality out of a couple of episodes of Star Trek
I agree! The old Twilight Zone was another great source!

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How about thou shalt now have slaves?
Thou shalt not descriminate?
Thou shalt not commit violent crimes?
Thou shalt not rape?
Thou shalt not commit incest?
Thou shalt not force thy beliefs upon others?
Thou shalt not halt progress?
Thou shalt not sexually assault children?
Thou shalt not harm or kill others in the name of thy God?

And the list goes on.
Serah wrote:
The Ten Commandments
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.(Other "gods" can include possessions, power or prominence.)
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honour thy father and thy mother.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
Covers pretty well everything as far as the do's and dont's go!!

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Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Follow the simple 10 Statutes of GOD and you can't go wrong.... a lot easier than trying to sort through the millions of man made laws we have to contend with :)
One, you do not follow the 10 statutes of god. You do not keep the sabbath holy, as he demanded. You only keep what you think is right.

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macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, your bible claims at least 613 commandments...
http://www.aish.com/h/sh/se/48945081.html
They have been brainwashed into believing that there are only ten and that god doesn't really care what day you keep 'holy'. I say day, but at best, they sit in church for an hour.

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I don't have a god.
15Jan13.....

.....Ya godda serve somebody.

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15Jan13.....

The follow revelations will 'makeUP' for approximately 500 bad Roman Catholic priests.

Let's hear it from those critical of priests guilty of paedophia and see if they can give the BBC the same kind of monstrous recognition it deserves.

London (CNN)-- Britain's late TV presenter and radio host Jimmy Savile sexually abused hundreds of people and carried out more than 30 rapes, police said Friday, as they unveiled a report exposing "vast, predatory and opportunistic" abuses across six decades.

Nearly three-quarters of his victims were children, the report said, with the youngest only 8 years old. Most but not all were female.

Read more: Victim tells of abuse at hands of Savile

Since the inquiry was launched three months ago, about 600 people have come forward to provide information, 450 relating to Savile, London's Metropolitan Police said.

From this, 214 crimes have been recorded, including 34 of rape or penetration, across the country.

TV icon sex abuse scandal rocks the BBC
Cops: Savile a predatory sexual offender
Savile's years of abuse
British radio disc jockey, television star and charity fund-raiser Sir Jimmy Savile poses for a photo at Buckingham Palace, London, after receiving the Order of the British Empire in 1972. Since his death a year ago at age 84, Savile has been knocked off his perch as a national treasure, accused of being a predatory pedophile who used his fame and position to abuse youngsters, sometimes on BBC premises.
Dancers on the BBC TV show "Top of the Pops" adjust Savile's track suit top for him during the making of the show in 1973.
Savile poses with British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher at a National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children fund-raising presentation in 1980.
Savile pours a cup of tea.
Savile calls from the Wren House International Telephone Exchange in London in 1975 as part of a "Fun And Happiness Weekend," organized by the National Association of Youth Clubs.
Savile arrives in London in 1972 on his way to Buckingham Palace, where he is to be awarded the Order of the British Empire.
The first presenter of long-running music program "Top of the Pops," Savile poses by a portrait of himself in February 1965, while enjoying his regular breakfast of Coke and a cigar in a central London hotel room.
Savile and his mother pose outside Buckingham Palace in London, where he receive his Order of the British Empire in 1972.

Savile died in October 2011 at age 84, soon after being treated in a hospital for pneumonia. His death was followed by a series of glowing tributes, including BBC specials.

Ps:.....Garry Glitter and 'dimKing'(Thinking) were in attendance.

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15Jan13.....

.....Twisted Jimmy Savile must have 'spent every minute of every day' thinking about his next sex attack, a leading police officer said today.

Commander Peter Spindler, said the predator - who carried out a 54 year long campaign of sexual abuse across Britain - picked 'the most vulnerable who were least likely to speak out against him'.

He spoke as the Metropolitan Police and the NSPCC released their official report into the DJ's reign of terror, which revealed he carried out an 'unprecedented' level of abuse with up to 450 victims.
Since the paedophile DJ died in October 2011 aged 84, a staggering 214 official crimes have been recorded by 28 police forces , including 34 who claim to have been raped.
Commander Peter Spindler, in charge of the investigation, said:‘He spent every minute of every waking day thinking about it [abusing children] and whenever the opportunity came along he took it.’
He added that 'cunning' Savile's campaign of sex crimes were 'vast, predatory and opportunistic' and he had effectively 'groomed the nation.'

Today's report states Savile used his celebrity to 'hide in plain sight' while he targeted those as young as eight and sexually assaulted at least 23 on BBC premises in London.

Shockingly, he carried out abuse in at least 14 hospitals including Great Ormond Street and at least one hospice between 1955 and 2009.
The report reveals the paedophile carried out an 'unprecedented' level of abuse but stated 'he had committed sex crimes before he became famous.'

Ps:.....Truly a fine upstanding gentleman from the UK....none-the-less.

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15Jan13.....

.....Since the inquiry was launched three months ago, about 600 people have come forward to provide information, 450 relating to Savile, London's Metropolitan Police said.

From this, 214 crimes have been recorded, including 34 of rape or penetration, across the country.

TV icon sex abuse scandal rocks the BBC
Cops: Savile a predatory sexual offender
Savile's years of abuse
British radio disc jockey, television star and charity fund-raiser Sir Jimmy Savile poses for a photo at Buckingham Palace, London, after receiving the Order of the British Empire in 1972. Since his death a year ago at age 84, Savile has been knocked off his perch as a national treasure, accused of being a predatory pedophile who used his fame and position to abuse youngsters, sometimes on BBC premises.
Dancers on the BBC TV show "Top of the Pops" adjust Savile's track suit top for him during the making of the show in 1973.
Savile poses with British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher at a National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children fund-raising presentation in 1980.
Savile pours a cup of tea.
Savile calls from the Wren House International Telephone Exchange in London in 1975 as part of a "Fun And Happiness Weekend," organized by the National Association of Youth Clubs.
Savile arrives in London in 1972 on his way to Buckingham Palace, where he is to be awarded the Order of the British Empire.
The first presenter of long-running music program "Top of the Pops," Savile poses by a portrait of himself in February 1965, while enjoying his regular breakfast of Coke and a cigar in a central London hotel room.
Savile and his mother pose outside Buckingham Palace in London, where he receive his Order of the British Empire in 1972.
Savile shows off his Order of the British Empire to members of the "Second Generation" song and dance troupe.
Savile stands on the sidewalk with his motor home.
Savile holds a newly-printed "Lucky Jim" poster. The posters feature a portrait of the DJ, along with a text reading: "The Lucky Jim poster can bring you health, wealth, happiness. This is a genuine duplicate signature and what's more Jimmy has actually touched YOUR poster!"
British Secretary of State for Social Services Norman Fowler presents Savile with a check for half a million pounds in 1982 as the government's contribution to an appeal for a new spinal injuries unit at Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
Savile waves with Jersey Holiday Queen Gaynor Lacey at the Jersey Battle of Flowers carnival in 1972.
Days before his 80th birthday in 2006, Savile prepares for the Great North Run in Newcastle, northern England. The funeral cortege of Savile arrives at Leeds Cathedral for a funeral service on November 9, 2011, in Leeds, England.

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<<< 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >>> Photos: The life of Jimmy Savile The earliest claim against Savile, who was still a household name when he died in 2011, dates from 1955 and the latest from 2009, when he was in his 80s.

Savile used his celebrity to "hide in plain sight" as he opportunistically preyed on the children and young people with whom he came into contact as he presented BBC children's show "Jim'll Fix It" and music show "Top of the Pops," the report said.

Dozens of offenses on BBC premises have been reported across a 40-year span between 1965 and 2006 -- the last at the final recording of "Top of the Pops."

Who was Jimmy Saville?

Ps:.....JimmySaville...another fine, upstanding hAtheist.

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15Jan13.....

.....Since the inquiry was launched three months ago, about 600 people have come forward to provide information, 450 relating to Savile, London's Metropolitan Police said.

From this, 214 crimes have been recorded, including 34 of rape or penetration, across the country.

TV icon sex abuse scandal rocks the BBC
Cops: Savile a predatory sexual offender
Savile's years of abuse
British radio disc jockey, television star and charity fund-raiser Sir Jimmy Savile poses for a photo at Buckingham Palace, London, after receiving the Order of the British Empire in 1972. Since his death a year ago at age 84, Savile has been knocked off his perch as a national treasure, accused of being a predatory pedophile who used his fame and position to abuse youngsters, sometimes on BBC premises.
Dancers on the BBC TV show "Top of the Pops" adjust Savile's track suit top for him during the making of the show in 1973.
Savile poses with British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher at a National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children fund-raising presentation in 1980.
Savile pours a cup of tea.
Savile calls from the Wren House International Telephone Exchange in London in 1975 as part of a "Fun And Happiness Weekend," organized by the National Association of Youth Clubs.
Savile arrives in London in 1972 on his way to Buckingham Palace, where he is to be awarded the Order of the British Empire.
The first presenter of long-running music program "Top of the Pops," Savile poses by a portrait of himself in February 1965, while enjoying his regular breakfast of Coke and a cigar in a central London hotel room.
Savile and his mother pose outside Buckingham Palace in London, where he receive his Order of the British Empire in 1972.
Savile shows off his Order of the British Empire to members of the "Second Generation" song and dance troupe.
Savile stands on the sidewalk with his motor home.
Savile holds a newly-printed "Lucky Jim" poster. The posters feature a portrait of the DJ, along with a text reading: "The Lucky Jim poster can bring you health, wealth, happiness. This is a genuine duplicate signature and what's more Jimmy has actually touched YOUR poster!"
British Secretary of State for Social Services Norman Fowler presents Savile with a check for half a million pounds in 1982 as the government's contribution to an appeal for a new spinal injuries unit at Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
Savile waves with Jersey Holiday Queen Gaynor Lacey at the Jersey Battle of Flowers carnival in 1972.
Days before his 80th birthday in 2006, Savile prepares for the Great North Run in Newcastle, northern England. The funeral cortege of Savile arrives at Leeds Cathedral for a funeral service on November 9, 2011, in Leeds, England.

The life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileThe life of Jimmy SavileHIDE CAPTION
<<< 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >>> Photos: The life of Jimmy Savile The earliest claim against Savile, who was still a household name when he died in 2011, dates from 1955 and the latest from 2009, when he was in his 80s.

Savile used his celebrity to "hide in plain sight" as he opportunistically preyed on the children and young people with whom he came into contact as he presented BBC children's show "Jim'll Fix It" and music show "Top of the Pops," the report said.

Dozens of offenses on BBC premises have been reported across a 40-year span between 1965 and 2006 -- the last at the final recording of "Top of the Pops."

Who was Jimmy Savile?

Ps:......Does anyone have a hammer 'n a stake'.

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15Jan13.....

.....Savile's offending footprint was vast, predatory and opportunistic. He cannot face justice today but we hope this report gives some comfort to his hundreds of victims, they have been listened to and taken seriously. We must use the learning from these shocking events to prevent other children and vulnerable adults being abused in the future. They will get a voice."

UK PM handed 'pedophile' list on live TV
Fallout continues amid BBC scandal
Expert: BBC scandal is a trust issue
Max Clifford arrested in abuse probe The BBC, whose reputation has been tainted by the affair, said it would continue to work with police to investigate the claims.

"The police report into Jimmy Savile contains shocking revelations," a statement said. "As we have made clear, the BBC is appalled that some of the offences were committed on its premises. We would like to restate our sincere apology to the victims of these crimes."

The BBC set up three inquiries of its own amid questions about how Savile's abuses went undetected for so long. One is looking at the culture and practices within the BBC and another at its handling of past sexual harassment claims.

The third, which reported on the broadcaster's decision to drop a program investigating allegations Savile in late 2011, slammed senior management as "completely incapable" of dealing with the crisis that erupted.

The BBC's botched handling of the affair forced the director general, George Entwistle, to resign.

The UK Department of Health, which is conducting its own investigation into the access Savile had to hospitals and other institutions, said the police report "highlights the shocking scale of offending by Jimmy Savile over five decades and shows the need to learn lessons from his crimes."

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15Jan13.....

....."Savile's offending footprint was vast, predatory and opportunistic. He cannot face justice today but we hope this report gives some comfort to his hundreds of victims, they have been listened to and taken seriously. We must use the learning from these shocking events to prevent other children and vulnerable adults being abused in the future. They will get a voice."

UK PM handed 'pedophile' list on live TV
Fallout continues amid BBC scandal
Expert: BBC scandal is a trust issue
Max Clifford arrested in abuse probe The BBC, whose reputation has been tainted by the affair, said it would continue to work with police to investigate the claims.

"The police report into Jimmy Savile contains shocking revelations," a statement said. "As we have made clear, the BBC is appalled that some of the offences were committed on its premises. We would like to restate our sincere apology to the victims of these crimes."

The BBC set up three inquiries of its own amid questions about how Savile's abuses went undetected for so long. One is looking at the culture and practices within the BBC and another at its handling of past sexual harassment claims.

The third, which reported on the broadcaster's decision to drop a program investigating allegations Savile in late 2011, slammed senior management as "completely incapable" of dealing with the crisis that erupted.

The BBC's botched handling of the affair forced the director general, George Entwistle, to resign.

The UK Department of Health, which is conducting its own investigation into the access Savile had to hospitals and other institutions, said the police report "highlights the shocking scale of offending by Jimmy Savile over five decades and shows the need to learn lessons from his crimes."

With the police review concluded, civil claims are likely to be brought as some victims seek compensation for the abuse they suffered at Savile's hands. About 73% of them were younger than 18 when they were targeted.

Four-fifths of the victims were girls and women, the report said. The majority of the victims were between the ages of 13 and 16 at the time of the abuse, and the oldest was 47.

Of the 34 reported offenses of rape or penetration, 26 victims were female and eight were male, police said.

"There is no clear evidence of Savile operating within a paedophile ring although whether he was part of an informal network is part of the continuing investigation," the report added.

Most of the alleged offenses were committed around the city of Leeds, where Savile lived, and in London, where he worked.

The peak of offending reported to police was between 1966 and 1976, when Savile was between 40 and 50 years old.

Separately, a review by the Crown Prosecution Service was critical of the decision by two police forces not to file charges against Savile after investigating four separate allegations of sexual abuse.

In 2007 and 2008 Surrey Police investigated three complaints that he had engaged in sexual behavior with young girls. During the same period, Sussex Police investigated a complaint by a young woman.

Alison Levitt, chief legal adviser to the Director of Public Prosecutions, said police were too cautious in their approach and should have asked more questions to push inquiries forward.

The alleged victims and their accounts were treated "with a degree of caution which was neither justified nor required," she said.

"Having spoken to the victims I have been driven to conclude that had the police and prosecutors taken a different approach a prosecution might have been possible."

Peter Watt, director of child protection advice for the NSPCC, said the scale of Savile's abuse "simply beggared belief."

Savile died in October 2011 at age 84, soon after being treated in a hospital for pneumonia. His death was followed by a series of glowing tributes, including BBC specials.

Ps:....The beginning of the beginning of Jimmy Savile.

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15Jan13.....

.....Four-fifths of the victims were girls and women, the report said. The majority of the victims were between the ages of 13 and 16 at the time of the abuse, and the oldest was 47.

Of the 34 reported offenses of rape or penetration, 26 victims were female and eight were male, police said.

"There is no clear evidence of Savile operating within a paedophile ring although whether he was part of an informal network is part of the continuing investigation," the report added.

Most of the alleged offenses were committed around the city of Leeds, where Savile lived, and in London, where he worked.

The peak of offending reported to police was between 1966 and 1976, when Savile was between 40 and 50 years old

Ps:.....and may this bastard rot in hell....as well as ALL those who partook in his evil machinations towards young children.

It should go without saying that the Queen (most certainly Prince Phillip) will issue orders to take back Savile's knighthood.

His coffin should also be exhumed and a stake shoved up his arsehole....and the remains 'tossed' as they did with that of 'ol Hitler.

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<quoted text>Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".
15Jan13.....

.....You are so correct.

Ps:.....When 'basic instinct' for survival kicks in, ALL others who want your 'stuff' will cut your head off to get it.

Can you Really & Truly imagine sitting down with the Taliban or the Palestinians and having a 'meaningful' discussion about disarmament and getting them interested in accounting jobs for example. Bahhh. Humbug.

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They have been brainwashed into believing that there are only ten and that god doesn't really care what day you keep 'holy'. I say day, but at best, they sit in church for an hour.
It's obvious you do not understand the bible. It's not a follow this from start to finish and being bound to every word, hell the bible even contradicts itself. What it does is explain a set of covenants made between god and man and gives the history of them. You only need to follow the commandments of the covenant you are in. Also, from reading a few of your other comments, it appears that you do no know the difference between a biblical law and a commandment. You might actually want to look into that a bit.

There are a lot of foolish comments posted here. yours seems to be one repeated a lot. You aint got to believe, but if you are going to bash, at least know the material and context you are bashing someone about.

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