Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Richardfs]

Serah wrote:

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Google "Near Death Experiences" and you should get about 6,670,000 results in 0.27 seconds.
***A near-death experience (NDE) refers to a broad range of personal experiences associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body; feelings of levitation; total serenity, security, or warmth; the experience of absolute dissolution; and the presence of a light.
These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or otherwise very close to death, hence the term near-death experience. Many NDE reports, however, originate from events that are not life-threatening. With recent developments in cardiac resuscitation techniques, the number of reported NDEs has increased.[1] The experiences have been described in medical journals as having the characteristics of hallucinations,[2][3][4] while parapsychologists, religious believers and some mainstream scientists have pointed to them as evidence of an afterlife and mind-body dualism.
Popular interest in near-death experiences was initially sparked by Weiss's 1972 The Vestibule, followed by Raymond Moody's 1975 book Life After Life[9][10] and the founding of the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) in 1981.[11] According to a Gallup poll, approximately eight million Americans claim to have had a near-death experience.[12] Some commentators, such as Simpson,[13] claim that the number of near-death experiencers may be underestimated. People who have had a near-death experience may not be comfortable discussing the experience with others, especially when the NDE is understood as a paranormal incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_exper... ***
While I was giving birth to my first child, they gave me too much 'gas' and knocked me totally out and into oblivion. In my oblivious state, I was traveling down a long corridor, with black and white tiles on floor wall and ceiling, so it was hard to work out what ended and started where, but there was no mistaking the direction I was heading in, which was straight ahead. They did bring me back around by slapping me across the face and calling out my name, and when I 'woke up' I poked my tongue out at them! A bit childish, perhaps, but out of my control, and perhaps I was not too happy about landing back there.
Strangely enough, in the baby photo of my daughter taken by the hospital just after she was born, she is poking out her tongue! I guess you don't believe in any of that stuff, though, and presume that everyone who has experienced them is lying, or that scientists who have other reasonable reasons for these NDE's are right....
Whatever your choice or preference, that is also what you are seeking ~ and whatever my choice or preference is that which I am seeking...... and let us hope that we each find what we are looking for :)

Two people sticking their tongue out at the same time doesn't prove NED.

[River Tam]

Serah wrote:

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Google "Near Death Experiences" and you should get about 6,670,000 results in 0.27 seconds.
***A near-death experience (NDE) refers to a broad range of personal experiences associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body; feelings of levitation; total serenity, security, or warmth; the experience of absolute dissolution; and the presence of a light.
These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or otherwise very close to death, hence the term near-death experience. Many NDE reports, however, originate from events that are not life-threatening. With recent developments in cardiac resuscitation techniques, the number of reported NDEs has increased.[1] The experiences have been described in medical journals as having the characteristics of hallucinations,[2][3][4] while parapsychologists, religious believers and some mainstream scientists have pointed to them as evidence of an afterlife and mind-body dualism.
Popular interest in near-death experiences was initially sparked by Weiss's 1972 The Vestibule, followed by Raymond Moody's 1975 book Life After Life[9][10] and the founding of the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) in 1981.[11] According to a Gallup poll, approximately eight million Americans claim to have had a near-death experience.[12] Some commentators, such as Simpson,[13] claim that the number of near-death experiencers may be underestimated. People who have had a near-death experience may not be comfortable discussing the experience with others, especially when the NDE is understood as a paranormal incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_exper... ***
While I was giving birth to my first child, they gave me too much 'gas' and knocked me totally out and into oblivion. In my oblivious state, I was traveling down a long corridor, with black and white tiles on floor wall and ceiling, so it was hard to work out what ended and started where, but there was no mistaking the direction I was heading in, which was straight ahead. They did bring me back around by slapping me across the face and calling out my name, and when I 'woke up' I poked my tongue out at them! A bit childish, perhaps, but out of my control, and perhaps I was not too happy about landing back there.
Strangely enough, in the baby photo of my daughter taken by the hospital just after she was born, she is poking out her tongue! I guess you don't believe in any of that stuff, though, and presume that everyone who has experienced them is lying, or that scientists who have other reasonable reasons for these NDE's are right....
Whatever your choice or preference, that is also what you are seeking ~ and whatever my choice or preference is that which I am seeking...... and let us hope that we each find what we are looking for :)

Thanks for sharing.

[Lincoln]

Serah wrote:

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Google "Near Death Experiences" and you should get about 6,670,000 results in 0.27 seconds.
***A near-death experience (NDE) refers to a broad range of personal experiences associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body; feelings of levitation; total serenity, security, or warmth; the experience of absolute dissolution; and the presence of a light.
These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or otherwise very close to death, hence the term near-death experience. Many NDE reports, however, originate from events that are not life-threatening. With recent developments in cardiac resuscitation techniques, the number of reported NDEs has increased.[1] The experiences have been described in medical journals as having the characteristics of hallucinations,[2][3][4] while parapsychologists, religious believers and some mainstream scientists have pointed to them as evidence of an afterlife and mind-body dualism.
Popular interest in near-death experiences was initially sparked by Weiss's 1972 The Vestibule, followed by Raymond Moody's 1975 book Life After Life[9][10] and the founding of the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) in 1981.[11] According to a Gallup poll, approximately eight million Americans claim to have had a near-death experience.[12] Some commentators, such as Simpson,[13] claim that the number of near-death experiencers may be underestimated. People who have had a near-death experience may not be comfortable discussing the experience with others, especially when the NDE is understood as a paranormal incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_exper... ***
While I was giving birth to my first child, they gave me too much 'gas' and knocked me totally out and into oblivion. In my oblivious state, I was traveling down a long corridor, with black and white tiles on floor wall and ceiling, so it was hard to work out what ended and started where, but there was no mistaking the direction I was heading in, which was straight ahead. They did bring me back around by slapping me across the face and calling out my name, and when I 'woke up' I poked my tongue out at them! A bit childish, perhaps, but out of my control, and perhaps I was not too happy about landing back there.
Strangely enough, in the baby photo of my daughter taken by the hospital just after she was born, she is poking out her tongue! I guess you don't believe in any of that stuff, though, and presume that everyone who has experienced them is lying, or that scientists who have other reasonable reasons for these NDE's are right....
Whatever your choice or preference, that is also what you are seeking ~ and whatever my choice or preference is that which I am seeking...... and let us hope that we each find what we are looking for :)

Google is fun, not too serious and the results are suspect.
Some of this may be valid ...not very much.
Makes good twilight zone talk, what!

[Serah]

Richardfs wrote:

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Two people sticking their tongue out at the same time doesn't prove NED.

Didn't say it did, I just posted one of my personal experiences.

[Serah]

River Tam wrote:

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Thanks for sharing.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but if not, it was my pleasure. As mentioned, I am a Tarot Reader, and when I was reading in Fairs was very popular. I love the cryptic language, or cryptic messages of the Universe, and also love help people find their inner selves, and learn how to love that which is inherent within. It is the inside that counts :)

[Richardfs]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>Didn't say it did, I just posted one of my personal experiences.

Your previous posts were about NED,I was just to keep you focused. You do tend to wonder mentally.

[Lincoln]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but if not, it was my pleasure. As mentioned, I am a Tarot Reader, and when I was reading in Fairs was very popular. I love the cryptic language, or cryptic messages of the Universe, and also love help people find their inner selves, and learn how to love that which is inherent within. It is the inside that counts :)

Readings are interesting, the reader often can Not know, can not Fake what she tells.

Old war on this between Harry Houdini Versus Arthur Conan Doyle.

Houdini found many fakes but do not believe all is fake.
thanks for your post

[River Tam]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but if not, it was my pleasure. As mentioned, I am a Tarot Reader, and when I was reading in Fairs was very popular. I love the cryptic language, or cryptic messages of the Universe, and also love help people find their inner selves, and learn how to love that which is inherent within. It is the inside that counts :)

No sarcasm. The forums are here for all. I enjoy reading and learning from other people's experiences.

[Givemeliberty]

Look you really just make yourself look silly. You should have listened to DF. I pity you for your clear for all to see mental illness because you can't help it. You are making a complete jackass out of yourself but are unable to see it because you're sick.

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>Ever thought you need help just to be nice in this world? Or are you happy with your mean ego? Try taking some calming medication, they love handing it out, and it stops you from caring so much you feel the need to laugh at death and insult others!! Get help man.... and maybe the man in you will step up!!!

[Givemeliberty]

Like most mentally ill people you want to rant and rave against the pharmaceutical industry to strengthen your reasoning to not take your crazy pills. All medications have risks and side effects even Advil! Hell even vitamin c!

Go get help for your mental illness and stay on your medication.

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>You are actually despicable, but then again, I guess you work hard at it! How many of your cronies will come and laugh at your joke?? As I said, thank GOD I don't have a mental sickness that you enjoy..... and in fact, I will Pray my thanks regularly, sicko!

[Givemeliberty]

She is a chronically mentally ill woman who hates the pharmaceutical industry because it makes the crazy pills that takes away the voices in her head.

christianity is EVIL wrote:

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you certainly ramble on like an idiot loaded on some weird drugs,,LOL
bought it online have you?

[timn17]

Eagle12 wrote:

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You know, I think you were bullied when you were a kid. Don’t me get wrong we all had run ins with bullies. Some more than others. But I think you were bullied a hell of a lot.
Maybe it was because your size and your grades. That bullying had a sizeable impact on your life. Sarcasm and cynicism comes from your childhood. It could even had derived from a relative.
I’m sorry that happened to you. Today there has been a little more focus on the problem of bullying. I can only hope you don’t pass on those undesirable personality traits to your children and grandchildren.
It's not too late to change.

There is almost nothing more hilarious to me than eagle playing armchair psychologist.

[Givemeliberty]

It's almost as funny as Muq trying to argue and explain science :))

timn17 wrote:

<quoted text>There is almost nothing more hilarious to me than eagle playing armchair psychologist.

[Serah]

christianity is EVIL wrote:

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you certainly ramble on like an idiot loaded on some weird drugs,,LOL
bought it online have you?

Nahh...... just posting that which scientists write ~ and agree with you, they have some weird drugs on offer!!

[Serah]

River Tam wrote:

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No sarcasm. The forums are here for all. I enjoy reading and learning from other people's experiences.

Thanks ~ I too am here to learn :)

[Serah]

Givemeliberty wrote:

She is a chronically mentally ill woman who hates the pharmaceutical industry because it makes the crazy pills that takes away the voices in her head.
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wrong ~ I am certified sane! bet you don't have your sanity papers LOL

[Serah]

Givemeliberty wrote:

It's almost as funny as Muq trying to argue and explain science :))
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or you trying to be nice :):):)

[NightSerf]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>That's my point ~ how often and how regularly things change..... and whether or not you think it is legitimate, you are probably partaking in their killer chemicals.
And with all due respect to you too, at least you had the sense to realise I was posting stuff written by scientists, where as some of the posters in here thought it was my own stuff.

Actually, much of what you posted was written by journalists, some of whom also have trouble telling the difference between solid research and premature conjecture. More to the point, your scattergun approach to selecting your articles just to prove that you are serious had the opposite effect for me. The writers I respect cite articles sparsely to support points they are trying to make. They stay focused on the matters under discussion. They certainly don't spam a plethora of articles just to prop up a faltering ego.

You don't have to, either. You could relax enough to enjoy the conversation rather than trying to put yourself at the center of it. Trust me, that's not really a comfortable place anyway.

[Catcher1]

NightSerf wrote:

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Actually, much of what you posted was written by journalists, some of whom also have trouble telling the difference between solid research and premature conjecture. More to the point, your scattergun approach to selecting your articles just to prove that you are serious had the opposite effect for me. The writers I respect cite articles sparsely to support points they are trying to make. They stay focused on the matters under discussion. They certainly don't spam a plethora of articles just to prop up a faltering ego.
You don't have to, either. You could relax enough to enjoy the conversation rather than trying to put yourself at the center of it. Trust me, that's not really a comfortable place anyway.

Access to the periphery provides comfort.

[Serah]

NightSerf wrote:

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Actually, much of what you posted was written by journalists, some of whom also have trouble telling the difference between solid research and premature conjecture. More to the point, your scattergun approach to selecting your articles just to prove that you are serious had the opposite effect for me. The writers I respect cite articles sparsely to support points they are trying to make. They stay focused on the matters under discussion. They certainly don't spam a plethora of articles just to prop up a faltering ego.
You don't have to, either. You could relax enough to enjoy the conversation rather than trying to put yourself at the center of it. Trust me, that's not really a comfortable place anyway.

Cheers ~ didn't really mean to put myself at the centre of it, just wanted to prove I am not ignorant on certain topics :)

Thanks for the pointer; now perhaps, you would like to write why you believe in atheism and give us a few links, of varying content, so I might get an understanding of why you believe what you believe! But then again, no need to prove to me anything, we each find that which we seek, and I am not seeking to be an atheist LOL