Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Imagination overboard LOL!! Still can't explain how a chicken became a chicken or a rooster became a rooster and that the chicken can produce eggs, but the rooster can't!! But they have proved that the chicken came before the egg! And why some birds fly but others can't! Evolution is supposed to be the ability to adapt to survive the dangers presented to each species, and yet the Lion has not overcome man(kind) and nor has the Elephant, all of which also evolved from the same 'original' life form as per that posting. And they think I am silly!!!
LMAO!

And what's the deal with whales?

I guess some of the fishies decided to grow some legs and skin and lungs and walk on land, but then some of them decided "man, it's better in the water", so they went back into the water but they kept their lungs but lost our legs.

Strange...

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Jan 13, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Not true Scotsman fallacy again? Don't you get tired of being told that it's a fallacy?
Don't you get tired of calling everything a fallacy?

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Lincoln wrote:
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Makes him a believer rather than a liar.
Does it comfort you to call him a Liar?
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"if God was real, you wouldn't need to believe in him" Not your best example of logic?:-)
He should have use the word, "faith" not "believe". I am sure that even you knew that and therefore you did the fundie side step dance to avoid the reality.

If god proved himself, then faith would not be required.

Does it comfort you to side step the facts?

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Jan 13, 2013
 
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Philosophical mumbo jumbo that has no bearing on the fact that there's no such thing as god.
"The fact"??

You've performed God tests & can show us that this is not simply your belief?

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Jan 13, 2013
 
tagit wrote:
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Hallucinations due to a lack of oxygen to the brain would also explain why atheists believe that the universe happened by chance and dead matter gives rise to life. HA! HA!
What is 'dead matter'?

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Jan 13, 2013
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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What is 'dead matter'?
Non-life.

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Jan 13, 2013
 
It's not *my* responsibility to do research to support *your* claim.
Are any of these sources *objective* sources?
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What do you mean *objective*?
As in, something that provides measurable data?

“In the beginning God Created..”

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Jan 13, 2013
 
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Creationism is a mental illness, your cult is harming you and its why you behave this way.
Mental Illness? You are confusing one’s rights under the Constitution as a mental illness?

We Sir, have unalienable rights given to us by our country. You nor anyone else can prohibit the free exercise thereof of. The right of freedom of religion.

It’s not mental illness but freedom. Freedom that you can’t take away because we have,“Certain Unalienable Rights.”

US Declaration of Independence 1776

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...."

First Amendment

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
She is a chronically mentally ill woman who hates the pharmaceutical industry because it makes the crazy pills that takes away the voices in her head.
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Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. described bigotry in the following quotation:

"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."[2]

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I don't "believe in atheism." For me, atheism is the result of applying my natural skepticism to the various ideas to which I've been exposed over a lifetime. Some hold up to scrutiny, others do not. Those that don't include most if not all conspiracy theories, most "New Age" ideas about medicine, and the notion that supernatural forces or agencies control the physical universe or the destinies of intelligent beings, or that such entities exist at all. Atheism isn't a belief system for me, just the rejection of a specific set of commonly held beliefs that fail to hold up to intense scrutiny.
There are no links because I came to atheism independently--it was, in fact, part of a process of reestablishing my intellectual independence after a long period of conformity. In the process, I did augment my grasp of formal logic, which was a big help in recognizing ideas that stand on shaky ground or have no real foundation at all.
Having settled most religious questions to my own satisfaction,they interfere with the clarity of vision that most skeptics seek.
I hope that you will learn to do that as well.
I was exposed to Atheism through my father. His father and my grandfather was a religious man at times. On Saturday nights he would go out behind the barn and break all his whisky bottles. Of course he was half drunk by then.

Then on Sunday he would be all cleaned up and ready to teach Sunday School. Come Monday he would be back behind the barn looking for any bottles that he may have missed. Not to finish breaking them but finish them off if you know what I mean.

Many years of watching this hypocrisy seared my Dads heart and mind toward religion. He came to the conclusion which many of you did that religion is all fake. There was no God and never was in his mind. He went on to embrace evolution to its fullest.

He had a brilliant mind. Capable of remembering great details in history. He became an astute genealogist for the area he lived in. We had lots of discussions on God and religion.

I on the other hand began to experiment with the thought of God despite my sweet Dad’s belief. I began to pray alone in absolute secrecy to see if I could contact this unseen being we call God. To see if he was real or if it was all part of a imagination.

What I found out for myself that indeed God was real. Beyond any shadow of doubt. Beyond one’s imagination, I know without any doubt God is real. God can’t be proven but he can be experienced. I can’t tell you the amazing absolutely unbelievable things I have seen God do. You simply would not believe them.

I love everyone of you Atheist. I see my fathers skepticism in all of you. Many of you are good down to earth folks. This is why I’m here. I have used your skepticism to learn more about the bible and God. You have helped me become even more sincere about what I believe.

I thank you for all that you have done. God Bless…….

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Mental Illness? You are confusing one’s rights under the Constitution as a mental illness?
We Sir, have unalienable rights given to us by our country. You nor anyone else can prohibit the free exercise thereof of. The right of freedom of religion.
It’s not mental illness but freedom. Freedom that you can’t take away because we have,“Certain Unalienable Rights.”
You have it half right, Eagle.

You do have a right, under the Constitution, to be mentally ill.

You have freedom to exercise mental illness.

Just so long as you don't interfere with others' Constitutional rights.

I'm not saying you're mentally ill by the way.

Nor am I saying you're not.

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. described bigotry in the following quotation:
"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."[2]
Pithy, but not very insightful. The human eye adapts to a wide variety of lighting conditions, but as the pupil contracts, it also delivers better resolution as the cones are more fully engaged and as the image projected onto them becomes sharper and clearer.

In very low light, people can see shapes, but not colors, and the shapes are poorly defined. The image projected onto the macular region is less sharp, and only the rods are activated, which populate the macular region much more sparsely than cones, also recharging and retransmitting at a slower rate.

The main problem with disparaging the mind of a bigot lies in its assumption of superiority that comes from the assumption that the speaker has no areas of bigotry in his own makeup. That assumption of superiority is itself the foundation of bigotry and ridding ourselves of it is a lifelong task for all of us.

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I don't "believe in atheism." For me, atheism is the result of applying my natural skepticism to the various ideas to which I've been exposed over a lifetime. Some hold up to scrutiny, others do not. Those that don't include most if not all conspiracy theories, most "New Age" ideas about medicine, and the notion that supernatural forces or agencies control the physical universe or the destinies of intelligent beings, or that such entities exist at all. Atheism isn't a belief system for me, just the rejection of a specific set of commonly held beliefs that fail to hold up to intense scrutiny.
There are no links because I came to atheism independently--it was, in fact, part of a process of reestablishing my intellectual independence after a long period of conformity. In the process, I did augment my grasp of formal logic, which was a big help in recognizing ideas that stand on shaky ground or have no real foundation at all.
Having settled most religious questions to my own satisfaction, I am now more interested in discussing a wider range of ideas with fellow atheists than in contending with the believers who insists on turning every discussion into debates on religion vs atheism. But every once in a while, one who seems to be ernest and honest attracts my attention. I have no interest in changing what you believe, but I would like to see you become more intellectually rigorous. The brand of mild paranoia, for instance, that lies at the heart of every conspiracy theory I've encountered (including some that I once believed in) is heavily present in your posts about the "evils" of modern medicine and food production. At the heart of that paranoia, along with fear, is a desire to be among a better informed elite. These emotional quirks are quite common even among folks who are rigorously skeptical in most ways, but they interfere with the clarity of vision that most skeptics seek.
Why this emphasis on skepticism, you may wonder? Rational skepticism, along with solid logic and an ability to research topics of interest, is the quality that keeps us from falling for every new and exciting idea that comes along without looking to see whether it has any merit. At the same time, we should beware of irrational skepticism, which is rejecting ideas out of hand without looking to see whether they have merit. When encountering a new idea or taking a new look at an old one, the rational skeptic's initial reaction is usually, "That's interesting. I wonder if it's true." It is rarely, if ever, "Okay, that makes sense. I can believe that." Rational skeptics learn to reserve judgment until enough is known to form a reasonable and defensible opinion.
I hope that you will learn to do that as well.
I have followed my pathway and have many reasons for my Faith. I don't wonder if it is true; I know it is :)

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Jan 13, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO!
And what's the deal with whales?
I guess some of the fishies decided to grow some legs and skin and lungs and walk on land, but then some of them decided "man, it's better in the water", so they went back into the water but they kept their lungs but lost our legs.
Strange...
LOL...... the logic of science allows them to change their minds when they realise they were wrong :)

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>LOL...... the logic of science allows them to change their minds when they realise they were wrong :)
Well Serah , do you not change your mind when you

_realize_ you are wrong?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Non-life.
Non-life? You mean like a Hydrogen atom? Or a Carbon atom? Or are you talking about molecules or compounds?

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Jan 13, 2013
 
All it takes to be an atheist is a little understanding of science, no understanding of religion and a whole lot of faith that the God they fear isn't real.

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Wrathbone wrote:
All it takes to be an atheist is a little understanding of science, no understanding of religion and a whole lot of faith that the God they fear isn't real.
Atheists don't fear gods. You do understand what the word atheist means, right?
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Jan 13, 2013
 
When you understand why atheists dismiss all possible gods, you will understand why they are in denial.

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Jan 13, 2013
 
sarafina wrote:
When you understand why atheists dismiss all possible gods, you will understand why they are in denial.
I'm in denial?

Please, do elaborate.

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