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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

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#148141 Jan 14, 2013
15Jan13.....

.....Savile's offending footprint was vast, predatory and opportunistic. He cannot face justice today but we hope this report gives some comfort to his hundreds of victims, they have been listened to and taken seriously. We must use the learning from these shocking events to prevent other children and vulnerable adults being abused in the future. They will get a voice."

UK PM handed 'pedophile' list on live TV
Fallout continues amid BBC scandal
Expert: BBC scandal is a trust issue
Max Clifford arrested in abuse probe The BBC, whose reputation has been tainted by the affair, said it would continue to work with police to investigate the claims.

"The police report into Jimmy Savile contains shocking revelations," a statement said. "As we have made clear, the BBC is appalled that some of the offences were committed on its premises. We would like to restate our sincere apology to the victims of these crimes."

The BBC set up three inquiries of its own amid questions about how Savile's abuses went undetected for so long. One is looking at the culture and practices within the BBC and another at its handling of past sexual harassment claims.

The third, which reported on the broadcaster's decision to drop a program investigating allegations Savile in late 2011, slammed senior management as "completely incapable" of dealing with the crisis that erupted.

The BBC's botched handling of the affair forced the director general, George Entwistle, to resign.

The UK Department of Health, which is conducting its own investigation into the access Savile had to hospitals and other institutions, said the police report "highlights the shocking scale of offending by Jimmy Savile over five decades and shows the need to learn lessons from his crimes."
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148142 Jan 14, 2013
15Jan13.....

....."Savile's offending footprint was vast, predatory and opportunistic. He cannot face justice today but we hope this report gives some comfort to his hundreds of victims, they have been listened to and taken seriously. We must use the learning from these shocking events to prevent other children and vulnerable adults being abused in the future. They will get a voice."

UK PM handed 'pedophile' list on live TV
Fallout continues amid BBC scandal
Expert: BBC scandal is a trust issue
Max Clifford arrested in abuse probe The BBC, whose reputation has been tainted by the affair, said it would continue to work with police to investigate the claims.

"The police report into Jimmy Savile contains shocking revelations," a statement said. "As we have made clear, the BBC is appalled that some of the offences were committed on its premises. We would like to restate our sincere apology to the victims of these crimes."

The BBC set up three inquiries of its own amid questions about how Savile's abuses went undetected for so long. One is looking at the culture and practices within the BBC and another at its handling of past sexual harassment claims.

The third, which reported on the broadcaster's decision to drop a program investigating allegations Savile in late 2011, slammed senior management as "completely incapable" of dealing with the crisis that erupted.

The BBC's botched handling of the affair forced the director general, George Entwistle, to resign.

The UK Department of Health, which is conducting its own investigation into the access Savile had to hospitals and other institutions, said the police report "highlights the shocking scale of offending by Jimmy Savile over five decades and shows the need to learn lessons from his crimes."

With the police review concluded, civil claims are likely to be brought as some victims seek compensation for the abuse they suffered at Savile's hands. About 73% of them were younger than 18 when they were targeted.

Four-fifths of the victims were girls and women, the report said. The majority of the victims were between the ages of 13 and 16 at the time of the abuse, and the oldest was 47.

Of the 34 reported offenses of rape or penetration, 26 victims were female and eight were male, police said.

"There is no clear evidence of Savile operating within a paedophile ring although whether he was part of an informal network is part of the continuing investigation," the report added.

Most of the alleged offenses were committed around the city of Leeds, where Savile lived, and in London, where he worked.

The peak of offending reported to police was between 1966 and 1976, when Savile was between 40 and 50 years old.

Separately, a review by the Crown Prosecution Service was critical of the decision by two police forces not to file charges against Savile after investigating four separate allegations of sexual abuse.

In 2007 and 2008 Surrey Police investigated three complaints that he had engaged in sexual behavior with young girls. During the same period, Sussex Police investigated a complaint by a young woman.

Alison Levitt, chief legal adviser to the Director of Public Prosecutions, said police were too cautious in their approach and should have asked more questions to push inquiries forward.

The alleged victims and their accounts were treated "with a degree of caution which was neither justified nor required," she said.

"Having spoken to the victims I have been driven to conclude that had the police and prosecutors taken a different approach a prosecution might have been possible."

Peter Watt, director of child protection advice for the NSPCC, said the scale of Savile's abuse "simply beggared belief."

Savile died in October 2011 at age 84, soon after being treated in a hospital for pneumonia. His death was followed by a series of glowing tributes, including BBC specials.

Ps:....The beginning of the beginning of Jimmy Savile.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#148143 Jan 14, 2013
15Jan13.....

.....Four-fifths of the victims were girls and women, the report said. The majority of the victims were between the ages of 13 and 16 at the time of the abuse, and the oldest was 47.

Of the 34 reported offenses of rape or penetration, 26 victims were female and eight were male, police said.

"There is no clear evidence of Savile operating within a paedophile ring although whether he was part of an informal network is part of the continuing investigation," the report added.

Most of the alleged offenses were committed around the city of Leeds, where Savile lived, and in London, where he worked.

The peak of offending reported to police was between 1966 and 1976, when Savile was between 40 and 50 years old

Ps:.....and may this bastard rot in hell....as well as ALL those who partook in his evil machinations towards young children.

It should go without saying that the Queen (most certainly Prince Phillip) will issue orders to take back Savile's knighthood.

His coffin should also be exhumed and a stake shoved up his arsehole....and the remains 'tossed' as they did with that of 'ol Hitler.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

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#148144 Jan 14, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".
15Jan13.....

.....You are so correct.

Ps:.....When 'basic instinct' for survival kicks in, ALL others who want your 'stuff' will cut your head off to get it.

Can you Really & Truly imagine sitting down with the Taliban or the Palestinians and having a 'meaningful' discussion about disarmament and getting them interested in accounting jobs for example. Bahhh. Humbug.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
billybob

Columbus, OH

#148145 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
They have been brainwashed into believing that there are only ten and that god doesn't really care what day you keep 'holy'. I say day, but at best, they sit in church for an hour.
It's obvious you do not understand the bible. It's not a follow this from start to finish and being bound to every word, hell the bible even contradicts itself. What it does is explain a set of covenants made between god and man and gives the history of them. You only need to follow the commandments of the covenant you are in. Also, from reading a few of your other comments, it appears that you do no know the difference between a biblical law and a commandment. You might actually want to look into that a bit.

There are a lot of foolish comments posted here. yours seems to be one repeated a lot. You aint got to believe, but if you are going to bash, at least know the material and context you are bashing someone about.
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

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#148146 Jan 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
That is your choice but when it all goes titsup and some raving nutcase with the same attitude as you shoots “your” child dead think about it again
15Jan13.....

......and when it ALL goes titsUP and some raving nutcase stands in your doorway with a gun ...and you don't.....he will not shoot your child dead, but also shoot you through the eyeball.

Ps:......When the last loaf of bread and last bag of sugar has gone from the shops and their ain't gonna be any more, you had better 'batten down da hatches'.....and check yer ammo.

GeeWhizz......its annudder year and you still remain a schidt-for-brains. DidJa get that vaginal seepage cleared up.

STOP stalking BobLoblah.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

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#148147 Jan 14, 2013
Scrollin, scrollin, scrollin.

From the scrotum, scrotum , scrotum.

I love this game.

:-)

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#148148 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
It has to be one or the other. Does the holy spirit guide you to the proper understanding or not?
Ans... No it doesn't, and yes the 'Holy Spirit' will guide you if you are filled with the'Holy Spirit'

If a mormon and a catholic really want to give their life to god, why doesn't the holy spirit give them the correct understanding of what god wants?

Ans...The 'Holy Spirit' could, but first you would have to a believer, get your heart right with God, then ask. You would have to really mean it. God will know if your heart is for show, or not.

<quoted text>
No, you have faith, belief without evidence, that he did. Nothing more.

Ans...Okay, I have 'Faith'. God said , the only way to enter Heaven, is by 'Faith'. Nothing more. Nothing Less.
My evidence is 'Speaking in Tongues', a supernatural power, that is beyond anything in this world. It's something you don't even try to understand.

<quoted text>
Of course you believe that. It is called, "Indoctrination". Neither the jews nor the muslims believe that god is three in one.

Ans...Of course you believe, what you believe. It's a word Atheists use a lot.. delusional. Okay, your point is?

<quoted text>
Obviously, it is not that simple. People have been killing and dying for the same god. Either the holy spirit is not teaching or giving proper understanding to all believers. It is stupid to believe that a person, who is willing to die for his god, has not ask for wisdom and understanding.

Ans...Yes, the fighting in the Middle East has been going on for over 2000 years. Everyone wants to be right about their faith.(their is a little more to it than that, but that's another topic)
Yes, it is stupid, but would you have known to ask for 'Wisdom and Understanding' unless I had mentioned it here?

Either they are not getting it or you are not getting it. Since your bible clearly states that you must kill non-believers, I would say the evidence stands against you not getting it.

Ans...The fact is, there is no evidence too powerful to stand against me. I do get it. My God does not say to kill non-believers, that is mans interpretation, of the Bible. Again, this calls for 'Wisdom'.

<quoted text>
You need to sit back and reexamine your beliefs and why you have them. Well, you don't really need to, you can stay in your blissful ignorance.
Ans...So maybe you should sit back and reexamine your beliefs, and why you have them. You really don't have to though, you can stay in your own blissful ideologies, as well.
I'm sleepy, GN. SL :) ps I truly hope you have blessed day!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#148149 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
They have been brainwashed into believing that there are only ten and that god doesn't really care what day you keep 'holy'. I say day, but at best, they sit in church for an hour.
And learn nowt even from that.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#148150 Jan 14, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>15Jan13.....
.....Ya godda serve somebody.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Why?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148151 Jan 14, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans...So maybe you should sit back and reexamine your beliefs, and why you have them. You really don't have to though, you can stay in your own blissful ideologies, as well.
I'm sleepy, GN. SL :) ps I truly hope you have blessed day!
I did sit back and reexamine my beliefs. I read the bible and realized that no loving god would be that evil.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#148152 Jan 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
Scrollin, scrollin, scrollin.
From the scrotum, scrotum , scrotum.
I love this game.
:-)
Yup.

There he goes again.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148153 Jan 14, 2013
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>15Jan13.....
.....You are so correct.
Ps:.....When 'basic instinct' for survival kicks in, ALL others who want your 'stuff' will cut your head off to get it.
Can you Really & Truly imagine sitting down with the Taliban or the Palestinians and having a 'meaningful' discussion about disarmament and getting them interested in accounting jobs for example. Bahhh. Humbug.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
The spam is strong in this one.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148154 Jan 14, 2013
billybob wrote:
<quoted text>It's obvious you do not understand the bible. It's not a follow this from start to finish and being bound to every word, hell the bible even contradicts itself. What it does is explain a set of covenants made between god and man and gives the history of them. You only need to follow the commandments of the covenant you are in. Also, from reading a few of your other comments, it appears that you do no know the difference between a biblical law and a commandment. You might actually want to look into that a bit.
There are a lot of foolish comments posted here. yours seems to be one repeated a lot. You aint got to believe, but if you are going to bash, at least know the material and context you are bashing someone about.
Your god said that a master could beat a slave to death and not be punished. Make that sound right.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#148155 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I did sit back and reexamine my beliefs. I read the bible and realized that no loving god would be that evil.
I think he meant spiritual or religious (i.e. superstitious) beliefs.

It seems to me that when religionists use the word belief it is not belief in the general sense, as in "I believe this because and to this extent". They seem to mean that one consciously chooses to believe one thing instead of another. Also, religious belief is not a belief limited to the extent it is clearly supported by reason and evidence. It tends to be disproportionate or even absolute 'faith'.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148156 Jan 14, 2013
In bob nobgobbler's case: "Scrotum, scrotum, scrotum, sore hide!"
River Tam wrote:
Scrollin, scrollin, scrollin.
From the scrotum, scrotum , scrotum.
I love this game.
:-)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#148157 Jan 14, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I think he meant spiritual or religious (i.e. superstitious) beliefs.
It seems to me that when religionists use the word belief it is not belief in the general sense, as in "I believe this because and to this extent". They seem to mean that one consciously chooses to believe one thing instead of another. Also, religious belief is not a belief limited to the extent it is clearly supported by reason and evidence. It tends to be disproportionate or even absolute 'faith'.
Yes, I was once a christian and had such faith; then one Sunday,I ignored the preacher, continued to read the bible after he stopped. I found those laws of god's that no christian wants to talk about or follow.

Such as, god hates gays, but he is cool with me eating shellfish.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#148158 Jan 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Just checking. Does that include my vibrator? Cuz........
If you need to believe your vibrator is a God, then you believe it.... Cuz otherwise.....

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#148159 Jan 14, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, you mean like the time I drank too much? Yeah, still just hallucinations, though I couldn't tell the difference at the time ... that was until I actually saw the video recording of what really happened.
But then, I'm smart enough to actually, well ... pay attention. At least when I'm not drunk.
You are smart enough to pay attention? Sorry dude, but you are painting the wrong picture to be smart enough to have paid much attention, if you get my driftwood!!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#148160 Jan 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I was once a christian and had such faith; then one Sunday,I ignored the preacher, continued to read the bible after he stopped. I found those laws of god's that no christian wants to talk about or follow.
Such as, god hates gays, but he is cool with me eating shellfish.
Hmm.

If god hates gays - why does he keep makin''em?

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