Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#147880 Jan 10, 2013
madscot wrote:
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In an awkward moment on Fox News this week, a pundit suggested that a member of the Saudi royal family who has supported the bridge-building work of the imam behind a planned Muslim community center and mosque in Lower Manhattan “funds radical madrasas all over the world.” The awkwardness came from the fact — unmentioned by anyone on the Fox set — that the same Saudi, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, also happens to be the second-largest shareholder in News Corp., the parent company of the Fox News Channel.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/s...
Anti fracking zealot Matt Damons film Promised Land was bankrolled by the United Arab Emirates.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#147881 Jan 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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And exactly what would 150 years of cover ups and hush money falsified evidence etc. to advance the ToE hope to attain from such a conspiracy??
Oddly enough, considering the RR is citing the book to support his usually conservative point of view, Merchants of Doubt was written to expose the role of conservative contrarian scientists is slowing popular and political recognition of climate change as an issue long after a consensus had been reached on it among scientists in the fields that study it. The Wikipedia article on the book sums it up thus:

Oreskes and Conway write that a handful of politically conservative scientists, with strong ties to particular industries, have "played a disproportionate role in debates about controversial questions".[4] The book states that these scientists have challenged the scientific consensus about the dangers of smoking, the effects of acid rain, the existence of the ozone hole, and the existence of anthropogenic climate change.[4] The authors write that this has resulted in "deliberate obfuscation" of the issues which has had an influence on public opinion and policy-making.[4] Oreskes and Conway reach the conclusion that:

There are many reasons why the United States has failed to act on global warming, but at least one is the confusion raised by Bill Nierenberg, Fred Seitz, and Fred Singer.[4][5]

All three are physicists: Singer was a rocket scientist, whereas Nierenberg and Seitz worked on the atomic bomb.[6] Oreskes and Conway state: "small numbers of people can have large, negative impacts, especially if they are organised, determined and have access to power".[7]

So the pressure from moneyed interests comes from scientists who work in relatively unrelated fields, but use their credentials to assail the work of scientists whose expertise exceeds their own. Kinda like the pattern we see in the opposition to the ToE and Big Bang theory.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#147882 Jan 10, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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He is saying despite the claims of Dawkins and others who state the atheism of those particular despots was not a motivating factor in their actions,for at least some it was clearly part of their agenda.
No it wasn't. Power and control was THE motivating factor. Eliminating all threats.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#147883 Jan 10, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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Anti fracking zealot Matt Damons film Promised Land was bankrolled by the United Arab Emirates.
So what? Are you saying that Fox news gets of free while Current are muslim loving money grubbers? I'll take Qattar over KSA any day.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#147885 Jan 10, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Oddly enough, considering the RR is citing the book to support his usually conservative point of view, Merchants of Doubt was written to expose the role of conservative contrarian scientists is slowing popular and political recognition of climate change as an issue long after a consensus had been reached on it among scientists in the fields that study it. The Wikipedia article on the book sums it up thus:
Oreskes and Conway write that a handful of politically conservative scientists, with strong ties to particular industries, have "played a disproportionate role in debates about controversial questions".[4] The book states that these scientists have challenged the scientific consensus about the dangers of smoking, the effects of acid rain, the existence of the ozone hole, and the existence of anthropogenic climate change.[4] The authors write that this has resulted in "deliberate obfuscation" of the issues which has had an influence on public opinion and policy-making.[4] Oreskes and Conway reach the conclusion that:
There are many reasons why the United States has failed to act on global warming, but at least one is the confusion raised by Bill Nierenberg, Fred Seitz, and Fred Singer.[4][5]
All three are physicists: Singer was a rocket scientist, whereas Nierenberg and Seitz worked on the atomic bomb.[6] Oreskes and Conway state: "small numbers of people can have large, negative impacts, especially if they are organised, determined and have access to power".[7]
So the pressure from moneyed interests comes from scientists who work in relatively unrelated fields, but use their credentials to assail the work of scientists whose expertise exceeds their own. Kinda like the pattern we see in the opposition to the ToE and Big Bang theory.
Well this is sort of like what he said in reverse. But the problem with global warming is it would only hurt American companies , the Chinese and Russians wouldn't follow, because it isn't economically viable. But we are seeing it happen and it will get worse 2012 being the hottest year on record.
Will this continue on a warming trend?

If it does we could see polar melt way sooner than all predictions.
But I have seen where they went there and they are dissipating so fast , because of subterranean rivers boring huge caverns and small state sized chunks breaking away.
I hate to think what it could lead too.
Lincoln

United States

#147886 Jan 10, 2013
In the story,
Tiny Tim is known for the statement,

"God bless us,
every one!"

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147887 Jan 10, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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He is saying despite the claims of Dawkins and others who state the atheism of those particular despots was not a motivating factor in their actions,for at least some it was clearly part of their agenda.
Hitler's motivation was to "punish the Jews," the others it was power. All you have shown is that absolute power corrupts. Anyhow, if you want to base it on numbers, christians and Muslims have killed in the name of their religion more than anyone.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#147888 Jan 11, 2013
BS. They weren't all Atheists.
Lincoln wrote:
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The 20th century soaked in blood of atheist in power.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev,
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann all were atheists.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#147889 Jan 11, 2013
But Jesus sharting out the universe is totally fact for you.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"Showing us life started from bacteria and advanced ever since"
As I said, suppositions.....
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#147890 Jan 11, 2013
madscot wrote:
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What's your point?
Maybe Lincoln's point is that God or gods allowed wars and atrocities to happen in the 20th century, and therefore if deities exist they are evil and not worthy of our worship or admiration.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147891 Jan 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Adam wasn't a gun owner.
That did not stop him having access when he wanted it.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147892 Jan 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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No that was a joke. You might want to google "joke"
Was it? Funnily enough clairvoyance is one of those skills that I am not blessed with

And why is it that some particular people come up with “that was a joke” when they are shown for what they are, warts and all?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147893 Jan 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Why is it that atheist can't seem to dream up a stronger irony meter?
They always are busting or falling a part. Kind of a weak imagination.
Is it because cristards are allows breaking the bounds of irony?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147894 Jan 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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irony meter
A mythical device often mentioned on Internet discussion fora, the irony meter is a device for measuring unintentional irony. It is best known for breaking or exploding when the irony becomes too strong.
You need to do better. These things are junk. Like a flash bulb used once and done. And there is no recording method to record peak irony.
God

Mythical being often mention in bronze age religious texts and claimed to be responsible an unthinking macho deity known as the first trickster and first mass murders and the convenor of genocide, child murder, rape and slavery. An allegory blindly worshipped by deliberately ignorant people who find that such faith in magic and bronze age mayhem is preferable to actually educating themselves

You need to do better. These god ideas are junk. Like a florescent tube they shine brightly when new but degrade over time. And there is no recording method to record deliberate ignorance.
Lincoln

United States

#147895 Jan 11, 2013
madscot wrote:
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A lot of those guys had mustaches too. I guess you're saying people with mustaches shouldn't be in power?
In 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted,
Lincoln

United States

#147896 Jan 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
BS. They weren't all Atheists.
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Denial does not help!

In 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted,
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#147897 Jan 11, 2013
GFY liar.
Lincoln wrote:
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Denial does not help!
In 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted,

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#147898 Jan 11, 2013
A majority of the medical experts working o cute cancer and other diseases are atheists.
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
In 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted,

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147899 Jan 11, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
In 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted,
Hitler, christian all his life, he murdered millions of jews because he believed that the Jews were responsible for christ’s death
Stalin, raised christian and tipped for the priesthood before taking the job as national despot
Lenin, Atheist
Castro, Agreed that the state and church should be separate but was educated as a christian in catholic boarding school and was sympathetic to the church.
Trotsky, Jewish but not religious, raised in Jewish family tradition
Kamenev, Athiest,
Zinoviev Belief that religion should be personal and private
Mao, Educated as in a catholic school as a catholic
Himler, Roman catholic but desired the restoration of paganism
Eichmann Protestant christian
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#147900 Jan 11, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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..As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
..
Read this for an explanation as to why Hitler was not an Atheist:
http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian...

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