Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. this is not a sentence ..
.. pitch hitting for CATCHER. He's addressing a convention of esteemed lawyers this afternoon ..
.. as his sock, I'm filling in ..
No, no, I made a film today.

Rated PG unfortunately.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
Why?
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There is no god of the Bible
The God of the Bible is always to be capitalized.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
Apparently god is too busy giving African babies malaria to prove he exists to you.
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I'm too busy for wild god chases.
Tell the dude to make an appearance.
It shouldn't be difficult for someone omnipotent.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>The god of the bible is not omniscient.
Holy Bible

-Names for the Bible – Capitalize all names for the Bible, for parts and versions of the Bible and all names of other sacred books.

Examples:
· Bible · Scriptures · Word of God · Holy Bible · Old Testament ·
New Testament
· Gospels · Ten Commandments · Lord’s Prayer · Gospels ·
Gospel of Luke
· King James Version ·
New International Version
- Creeds and Confessions –

Capitalize all names of creeds and confessions of faith and general Biblical terms.

Examples:
· Lord’s Supper · the Apostles’ Creed
· the Westminster Catechism ·
Nicene Creed
- Deity - Capitalize all names for Deity

Examples:
· Father · Almighty · God · Lord · Holy Spirit · Son of Man
· Messiah · Lord of Hosts · Redeemer · Savior · Holy Trinity

-Devil - Capitalize all names for the Devil

Examples:
· Devil · Satan · Adversary · Father of Lies · Evil One · Lucifer
· Prince of Darkness · Beelzebub (meaning Satan)

* Do not capitalize when used in a general sense or as an expletive.(Example: The devil is a formidable adversary.)
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#147664
Jan 8, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>The god of the bible is not omniscient.
Sorry forgot the link

http://www.libraryonline.com/default.asp...

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Jan 8, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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I'm too busy for wild god chases.
Tell the dude to make an appearance.
It shouldn't be difficult for someone omnipotent.
I think that was a typo, the bible probably meant impotent.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, to specify a god of the Bible, you would use Adonai, Jehovah, Elohim, El-Shaddai, etc.

"God" is a generic term that Christians have tried to steal and claim as their own by capitalizing it. Seems stealing is a defining characteristic of the Abrahamic religions.
Holy Bible

- Names for the Bible – Capitalize all names for the Bible, for parts and versions of the Bible and all names of other sacred books.
Examples:
· Bible · Scriptures · Word of God · Holy Bible · Old Testament · New Testament
· Gospels · Ten Commandments · Lord’s Prayer · Gospels · Gospel of Luke
· King James Version · New International Version
- Creeds and Confessions – Capitalize all names of creeds and confessions of faith and general Biblical terms.
Examples:
· Lord’s Supper · the Apostles’ Creed
· the Westminster Catechism · Nicene Creed
- Deity - Capitalize all names for Deity
Examples:
· Father · Almighty · God · Lord · Holy Spirit · Son of Man
· Messiah · Lord of Hosts · Redeemer · Savior · Holy Trinity
- Devil - Capitalize all names for the Devil
Examples:
· Devil · Satan · Adversary · Father of Lies · Evil One · Lucifer
· Prince of Darkness · Beelzebub (meaning Satan)
* Do not capitalize when used in a general sense or as an expletive.(Example: The devil is a formidable adversary.)

http://www.libraryonline.com/default.asp...

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Jan 8, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
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Holy Bible
-Names for the Bible – Capitalize all names for the Bible, for parts and versions of the Bible and all names of other sacred books.
Examples:
· Bible · Scriptures · Word of God · Holy Bible · Old Testament ·
New Testament
· Gospels · Ten Commandments · Lord’s Prayer · Gospels ·
Gospel of Luke
· King James Version ·
New International Version
- Creeds and Confessions –
Capitalize all names of creeds and confessions of faith and general Biblical terms.
Examples:
· Lord’s Supper · the Apostles’ Creed
· the Westminster Catechism ·
Nicene Creed
- Deity - Capitalize all names for Deity
Examples:
· Father · Almighty · God · Lord · Holy Spirit · Son of Man
· Messiah · Lord of Hosts · Redeemer · Savior · Holy Trinity
-Devil - Capitalize all names for the Devil
Examples:
· Devil · Satan · Adversary · Father of Lies · Evil One · Lucifer
· Prince of Darkness · Beelzebub (meaning Satan)
* Do not capitalize when used in a general sense or as an expletive.(Example: The devil is a formidable adversary.)
Those are religious rules, not actual language rules. Your god has no meaning to us, why should we care to bother capitalizing it's title? I mean, it's not even a name.

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Jan 8, 2013
 

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Catcher1 wrote:
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No, no, I made a film today.
Rated PG unfortunately.
Then there's no way you're Lesbo's sock.
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#147669
Jan 8, 2013
 
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible cannot be used as proof of the validity of the Bible.

Hearsay is not evidence.

Anecdotal stories are not evidence.

Goad of the gaps does not equal evidence.

Anthropomorphism does not equal evidence.

Anthropic philosophical arguments do not equal evidence.

Evidence is observable, measurable, independently verifiable, and testable.

Thus far you have presented absolutely NO evidence.
The evidence in the Bible is being backed up all the time by science.

This is not a court of law using man made rules this is a book that like non other. You can make up rules to remove all evidence presented. Notice I am saying evidence not proof. But that doesn't change the fact that God gave us the Bible to learn about him.
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#147670
Jan 8, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, all I have seen are assertions, no evidence at all.
That's fine.
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#147671
Jan 8, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, you present assertions, the assertions are dismissed because you present no evidence to support them.
Lie again.
The Bible is not the only evidence I have posted or others there has been much much more.

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Jan 8, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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You are sparking research on new and indestructible irony meters.
The current models are no match for you.
Do what I do. Wire two of 'em in parallel.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
NightSerf wrote:
KJV:

A 2012 estimate is not likely to be based on 2012 data. It could be based on data that is more than a decade old with some rationale for adjusting it. We simply do not know, and that is exactly the point. If you look at the various encyclopedia entries that you referenced, you will find that they, in turn, reference other sources. You have to follow the trail to the original study before you can evaluate the data itself.

In order to evaluate a study's accuracy, you have to look at how and when the data was collected and analyzed. That information is called metadata, i.e., data about the data. Unless you look at that, you can't know whether you are citing valid statistics, shoddy work, or outright fabrications. Most government statistical departments include metadata in all of their published works, but the CIA does not. Pew and ARIS are just as open about their methods. When two sources show very different results, the metadata usually shows why. When the metadata is absent, preference has to be given to the better documented study.

Beyond the accuracy of the statistics, using them to advance an ad populum argument will not play for anyone who is familiar with the basic principles of logic. When assessing ideas, it is foolish to see what the majority of people believe and go with that. Ideas the come to be widely accepted are often accepted by tiny minorities at their inception. We all agree, for instance, that slavery was an outrageous injustice, but it was accepted as normal for most of human history. Racial segregation and discrimination was the rule of the day until after the middle of the last century. Women's roles in society were commonly accepted as secondary until about the same time, and the struggle for women's suffrage required decades before the nineteenth amendment finally gave all American women equal voting rights.

Majorities can be wrong. Communities decide on action by voting, but only on the ship of fools is truth put to a vote.
True. Feel free to ask the CIA how and where and when they get their data.

And yes that is the United States Central Intelligent agencies.
That those numbers did come from there.

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Jan 8, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
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Lie again.
The Bible is not the only evidence I have posted or others there has been much much more.
Where? All i have seen you post is assertions made based on the bible's assertions. Where is the evidence for any of the assertions?

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Jan 8, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
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The evidence in the Bible is being backed up all the time by science.
This is not a court of law using man made rules this is a book that like non other. You can make up rules to remove all evidence presented. Notice I am saying evidence not proof. But that doesn't change the fact that God gave us the Bible to learn about him.
Where? You keep making these assertions but never provide any actual evidence, just assertions claiming that the bible is true "just because."

Oh, and there is no court of law that allows stoning of children or non-believers, your bible commands that. Don't bother screaming "context" either, if there is any context you can justify stoning children or those who just disagree with you, you're a monster.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>Here's the really interesting point about the retention data: while the news article says it comes from "a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA)," ist actually comes from a blog by CARA editor Mark Gray. He displays the data in a graph that show the data coming from at least two sources, one of which is the Pew Forum. CARA appears to do surveys only of the Catholic supbpopulation, relying on other sources for comparative data. Since these other studies are conducted differently, the data from them cannot be compared with defensible validity. Moreover, the subjects for their internal surveys self-select, which invalidates their results as well.

That said, the data they present may be reasonably accurate. Or not--we have no way of knowing for sure. CARA does not show its metadata.
You really found all this out about the "a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA),"

Wow that's some good work. Please show me the links where it shows this.
You have gone all out I must say.

I do have like 20 surveys all showing the round about same numbers.
Most have been scoffed at because of the sources. So I've been limited to the CIA and Pew and Encyclopedia Britannica survey.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>What's so much more important for the god of your bible than any of the other gods?
It's correct grammar.

"Holy Bible

- Names for the Bible – Capitalize all names for the Bible, for parts and versions of the Bible and all names of other sacred books.
Examples:
· Bible · Scriptures · Word of God · Holy Bible · Old Testament · New Testament
· Gospels · Ten Commandments · Lord’s Prayer · Gospels · Gospel of Luke
· King James Version · New International Version
- Creeds and Confessions – Capitalize all names of creeds and confessions of faith and general Biblical terms.
Examples:
· Lord’s Supper · the Apostles’ Creed
· the Westminster Catechism · Nicene Creed
- Deity - Capitalize all names for Deity
Examples:
· Father · Almighty · God · Lord · Holy Spirit · Son of Man
· Messiah · Lord of Hosts · Redeemer · Savior · Holy Trinity
- Devil - Capitalize all names for the Devil
Examples:
· Devil · Satan · Adversary · Father of Lies · Evil One · Lucifer
· Prince of Darkness · Beelzebub (meaning Satan)
* Do not capitalize when used in a general sense or as an expletive.(Example: The devil is a formidable adversary.)
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#147678
Jan 8, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Why?
Because it's proper grammar.

Holy Bible

-Names for the Bible – Capitalize all names for the Bible, for parts and versions of the Bible and all names of other sacred books.

Examples:
· Bible · Scriptures · Word of God · Holy Bible · Old Testament · New Testament

· Gospels · Ten Commandments · Lord’s Prayer · Gospels · Gospel of Luke
· King James Version · New International Version

- Creeds and Confessions – Capitalize all names of creeds and confessions of faith and general Biblical terms.

Examples:
· Lord’s Supper · the Apostles’ Creed
· the Westminster Catechism · Nicene Creed

- Deity - Capitalize all names for Deity
Examples:
· Father · Almighty · God · Lord · Holy Spirit · Son of Man
· Messiah · Lord of Hosts · Redeemer · Savior · Holy Trinity

- Devil - Capitalize all names for the Devil
Examples:
· Devil · Satan · Adversary · Father of Lies · Evil One · Lucifer
· Prince of Darkness · Beelzebub (meaning Satan)

* Do not capitalize when used in a general sense or as an expletive.(Example: The devil is a formidable adversary.)
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Jan 8, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Those are religious rules, not actual language rules. Your god has no meaning to us, why should we care to bother capitalizing it's title? I mean, it's not even a name.
No they are not. I copied only the Bible part of the web pages. One was collage level grammar. Follow the links.

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