Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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In the general case of guns, countries like switzerland have similar laws and much lower murder rates.

Apologists like Lil Ticked like to make the broader argument that other countries with guns are safe.

Which only goes to show that most americans just can't be trusted with being allowed guns.

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KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Tinkles.

So you're an IQ judge now?
In your case, there's not a lot to judge.

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-Skeptic- wrote:
In the general case of guns, countries like switzerland have similar laws and much lower murder rates.
Apologists like Lil Ticked like to make the broader argument that other countries with guns are safe.
Which only goes to show that most americans just can't be trusted with being allowed guns.
Playtime is over put the penis extensions away insecure ignorant people.
Is that why violent crime rates are higher in the UK? Or why there is a complete gun ban in Mexico but they have the highest murder by guns than any other country?

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Anyone who believes in not banning guns is an idiot, its because they ignore facts and make excuses.
Facts.

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Jan 8, 2013
 
More BS.

Define your metrics and you'll find you're not comparing like with like.
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Is that why violent crime rates are higher in the UK?

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Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Ooa98FHuaU0XX
fbi.gov
^^ Great video thanks for that.
I love it when the truth is exposed, and it leaves no doubt.
Aside from the criminally insane who shoot up people in their defenseless vulnerable state. We can see crime is in the mega-dense packed areas and I would guess it's the troubled inner city youth behind most of that.

The interesting thing was how rifles are only used 3.4 % of the time meaning assault rifles are used even less in violent crimes and murders. This brings the question on exactly how banning them specifically would have any effect on the crimes in question and how targeting them will do anything but disarm honest Americans.

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<quoted text>This ones got there blinders on nice and tights. Lol
You are sparking research on new and indestructible irony meters.

The current models are no match for you.

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Jan 8, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
More BS.
Define your metrics and you'll find you're not comparing like with like.
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Crimes detected in England and Wales 2011/12
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/sci...

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...

Happy reading.

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http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
Can't you make one point without invoking a fallacy. Let's look at the "majority" track record.
When Adolf said "let's torture Jewish people to death," the majority of Germans thought that was a good idea ... and the majority of the world thought it was none of their business, until he threatened to take over the world.
During the Crusades, a majority of the people thought the church knew what it was doing. So they killed a bunch of "brown" people who were minding their own business. Now the majority of those people blame the US for these slights, go figure.
The majority of the people thought the Inquisitors knew what they were doing, which resulted in the torture and death of a lot of innocent people.
The majority of England thought the US should be under English rule. So the US fought back. Then the majority of the US thought black people were less than human and should be slaves. Once they were freed the majority of the US thought they were still less than human and thus deserved no rights. Nice track record there.
The majority of Ancient Egyptians thought the pharaohs were demi-gods, so much that they took what they said as law even though the priests and preistesses were actually pulling the strings.
The majority of the world's population thought human sacrifices were a great thing for a few thousand years.
The majority thought the Earth was flat.
The majority thought lightning was some magical power of the gods.
The majority thought you could use your hands to wipe your butt.
Not a very good track record for the majority, it's more often wrong than correct, so if you want to pull that fallacy, it actually makes your religion look like a really bad idea.
Excuse me if I go with the guy who doesn't depict the crusades as simply "killing brown people".
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Also it would be nice to properly show how the Atlantic slave trade worked.

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Lil Ticked wrote:
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Crimes detected in England and Wales 2011/12
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/sci...
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...
Happy reading.
Notice also how these are just the Violent crimes detected in only England an Wales not the entire UK and they still out weigh Americas violent crime rates.. per capita.

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Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Is that why violent crime rates are higher in the UK? Or why there is a complete gun ban in Mexico but they have the highest murder by guns than any other country?
Violent crime isn't the same as murder. Another creationist attempt to move the goalposts and argue a strawman.

At the end of the day the statistics about gun murders in your country are shocking. Simply shocking.

But what is more shocking is your attitude towards the damning facts of your country's murderous way of life.

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Notice also how these are just the Violent crimes detected in only England an Wales not the entire UK and they still out weigh Americas violent crime rates.. per capita.
Quoting your own quote doesn't make it more valid. Gun crime in the US is miles above any other country, the solution is the remove guns.

Its a pity the spoilt toddler that is the the US, won't let mommy reason take the toy away after they killed someone with it.

Perhaps the problem is that basic moral education was substituted with religious cr*p and that's what makes you folk so f*cking stupid when it comes to guns.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You seem like such a kind & loving person.
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I don't drink & drive. Ever.
And I don't speed.
So....
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No, that means IF some piss head wants to shoot at me, he'll likely think twice about it because I can shoot back. He'll more likely shoot you straight through you protest sign.
So it has been said by people with more knowledge of me than you but thanks anyway

Does that mean that no one drinks and drives and no one speeds? Oh what a wonderful world we live in… No wonder the traffic police are being stood down and reassigned…(Bit or sarcasm for you just in case you didn’t get it)

Ehm, drunk!! He is not even going to consider thinking twice.

Despite your kind words earlier you don’t know much about me do you – what protest sign?

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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Bottom line is we wrote these things into law because of your country. They worked then to defeat you as the oppressor of my country. I find it slightly curious it is now your country that is the biggest supporter of disarming this country.
No I favor a assault weapons and high capacity clips ban , but not any outright bans or national registration.
I also think we need address the issue in schools as well as mental health screening from middle school on up, along with security in the schools.
The reason is simple you will never be able to remove access to all guns Christine , it is guaranteed under the second amendment.
But the fact remain also Christine , while there are les murders with guns over there , per capita violent crime is actually higher over there too.
Yes however civilisation has progressed over 300+ years, most civilisations anyway.

Does my country have any say in disarming your country? I can make my opinion known just as you can, that’s freedom for you. The difference is that in your country I do not get a vote.

So your idea of freedom is to limit the type of weapon to those who you think should be allowed to carry them – fine… How about the guy down the road with the semi automatic over the fire in his lounge and the shotgun on display in the back window of his suv who likes to drink until he’s falling over drunk every Friday night, does he not get a say in this?

You also seem to be in favour of “compulsory” screening to see if one is fit to carry a firearm, where is the freedom in that? Double standards or what?

Try looking up the definition of amendment FYI CHANGE. It’s down to the will of the people as to whether the majority of guns are removed from the public. It can never be all guns, there will always be some few (even in the UK) who consider unregistered guns to be a turn on (or big them up to their gang) but that goes into the realms of obsession and you cant legislate against that.

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The manner in which America's crime rate compared to other countries of similar wealth and development depends on the nature of the crime used in the comparison.[30] Overall crime statistic comparisons are difficult to conduct, as the definition of crimes significant enough to be published in annual reports varies across countries. Thus an agency in a foreign country may include crimes in its annual reports which the United States omits.
Some countries such as Canada, however, have similar definitions of what constitutes a violent crime, and nearly all countries had the same definition of the characteristics that constitutes a homicide. Overall the total crime rate of the United States is similar to that of other highly developed countries. Some types of reported property crime in the U.S. survey as lower than in Germany or Canada, yet the homicide rate in the United States is substantially higher.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Uni...
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Oh but you want to impose on my freedom just two post ago ?
Hypocrite much?
Three posts – your freedom to wear a seat belt? Look, if you don’t want to wear a seat belt that up to you but don’t come crying to me when some p|sshead rams you head on and you wife and kids are mutilated in the devastation.

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ChristineM wrote:
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So it has been said by people with more knowledge of me than you but thanks anyway
Does that mean that no one drinks and drives and no one speeds? Oh what a wonderful world we live in… No wonder the traffic police are being stood down and reassigned…(Bit or sarcasm for you just in case you didn’t get it)
Ehm, drunk!! He is not even going to consider thinking twice.
Despite your kind words earlier you don’t know much about me do you – what protest sign?
Good example. Applying Lil Ticked's creationist logic - "if we ban speeding, speeding would only be in the hands of criminals"

One to add to the creationist hall of shame I think

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Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I live here and thanks be to God you don't.As to the rest of your post is had ZERO relevance to what I was commenting on.I assure you I don't give a rats ass what you or any other Brit else thinks about the USA.
Good because I don’t give a rats a$$ about you.

But your facetious and sloping shouldered response really shows your (lack of) intelligence in responding to valid (and no doubt uncomfortable) comments made in response to your own posts and about the wording of your own post…

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Quoting your own quote doesn't make it more valid. Gun crime in the US is miles above any other country, the solution is the remove guns.
Its a pity the spoilt toddler that is the the US, won't let mommy reason take the toy away after they killed someone with it.
Perhaps the problem is that basic moral education was substituted with religious cr*p and that's what makes you folk so f*cking stupid when it comes to guns.
The solution is for us to decide also Skeptic, and not for foreigners to make policy in America.
But it's not religion that makes policy either.
It was the ratification of the bill of rights in our constitution.
I suggest you read this carefully.

"In September 1789, the first Congress of the United States approved 12 amendments to the U.S. Constitution and sent them to the states for ratification. The amendments were designed to protect the basic rights of U.S. citizens, guaranteeing the freedom of speech, press, assembly, and exercise of religion; the right to fair legal procedure

and to bear arms;

and that powers not delegated to the federal government would be reserved for the states and the people."

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Yes however civilisation has progressed over 300+ years, most civilisations anyway.
Does my country have any say in disarming your country? I can make my opinion known just as you can, that’s freedom for you. The difference is that in your country I do not get a vote.
So your idea of freedom is to limit the type of weapon to those who you think should be allowed to carry them – fine… How about the guy down the road with the semi automatic over the fire in his lounge and the shotgun on display in the back window of his suv who likes to drink until he’s falling over drunk every Friday night, does he not get a say in this?
You also seem to be in favour of “compulsory” screening to see if one is fit to carry a firearm, where is the freedom in that? Double standards or what?
Try looking up the definition of amendment FYI CHANGE. It’s down to the will of the people as to whether the majority of guns are removed from the public. It can never be all guns, there will always be some few (even in the UK) who consider unregistered guns to be a turn on (or big them up to their gang) but that goes into the realms of obsession and you cant legislate against that.
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The manner in which America's crime rate compared to other countries of similar wealth and development depends on the nature of the crime used in the comparison.[30] Overall crime statistic comparisons are difficult to conduct, as the definition of crimes significant enough to be published in annual reports varies across countries. Thus an agency in a foreign country may include crimes in its annual reports which the United States omits.
Some countries such as Canada, however, have similar definitions of what constitutes a violent crime, and nearly all countries had the same definition of the characteristics that constitutes a homicide. Overall the total crime rate of the United States is similar to that of other highly developed countries. Some types of reported property crime in the U.S. survey as lower than in Germany or Canada, yet the homicide rate in the United States is substantially higher.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Uni...
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Three posts – your freedom to wear a seat belt? Look, if you don’t want to wear a seat belt that up to you but don’t come crying to me when some p|sshead rams you head on and you wife and kids are mutilated in the devastation.
Screening for potentially mentally disturbed people is not imposing on freedom, and specifically with all the school shooters there were warning signs that were ignored. Screening is just putting someone to look and not ignore these signs.

But I suggest it go further and since we do bear arms we should be responsible enough to give training and discuss this problem with the children openly. After all this is really a mental heath issue
aside from gang wars and people who are going to break laws regardless.

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Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>The point is... Make a law banning guns then only criminals will have guns.
Yes, and gang members who want to feel big in front of their buddies, that would not change by very much. However the chances that the average Joe flips his lid, or gets stinking drunk or holds a grudge pulling out a gun and indiscriminately kills children and/or shoppers diminishes to almost zero.

Criminal behaviour (particularly violent criminal behaviour) is quite rare and even more rare in countries that have gun control. It is no coincidence that the number of violent crimes involving firearms is between 4 and 20 times worse in countries without gun regulation than countries with gun regulation.

Tell me do you associate with criminals and gang members? Do you go shopping? Do you have kids in school?

What you are advocating is a cold war between criminals and the average Joe. When the criminal knows he is likely to be faced with a firearm he is more likely to take the stance of - do onto others as they would hath done unto you, only do it first.

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