Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#147596 Jan 8, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Ooa98FHuaU0XX
fbi.gov
Nice! He touched on the big issue; "FEAR". To get a group of people to do anything, it seems that it takes fear.

Germany in the 1930's & 40's. Does anyone really believe that Germans hated the Jews? They did not, they feared hitler and the ss. Would you give up your family or would you turn on your neighbor? Far too many of us would quickly turn on our neighbor.

What about christians? If you didn't worry about spending eternity in hell, would you still believe? I don't think so. Even if your church is not the fire and brimstone type, you are taught from the beginning, that there is major consequences for not believing properly. Why would a god torture you for eternity, just for not believing that which you cannot verify?

Americans, how do you think the Patriot Act got voted in? Why are we unlawfully searched at airports? Simply, we are afraid. Some of you remember the 60's & 70's; it seemed like every week, some was highjacking an airplane.

Fear, still the best form of control.

The second best form of control; pull at the heart strings. Who doesn't feel for the children on the christian children's fund? But who sits down and figures out how to prevent hungry children? Like, stop having children that you cannot possible feed! The hard reality is, we feed these children, they survive and have children that they cannot feed, we feed them, they survive and have children that they cannot possibly feed and no one seems to say, "STOP having children! Learn how to deal with the environment or move to a place where you can deal with it. Get an education/trade."

Nope! Just a, "You are heartless for even suggesting that they take responsibility for their actions!"

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147597 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%.
Ok let's look at this.
"nor is there any indication of how old the data on which it is based are"
July 2012 est.
This date is not good enough for you?
You say you like the Pew Forum.
"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."
This is a bit older but it's all I have found from pew.
As far as the lot her issues with The CIA fact book you have the capability to go to the web site for your other answers.
"A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."
Wikipedia:
"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"
Wikipedia :
"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"
Wikipedia :
"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"
"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."
"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.
In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of
Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."
Since you are inherently siding with the majority it is safe to assume that you don't care about being correct at all.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#147598 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
No I refuse to repeat myself. I'm sorry you missed it on the first 3 or 4 times that it was posted.
Let me get this straight; you refuse to repeat yourself; but you have repeated yourself 3 or 4 times? OK.

Next, you have some proof that your god exist, but you are refusing to share it? How does your god feel about that?

I know, there is a bible verse for every situation! Whether you need a for or an against on any subject, the bible has a verse for it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147599 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>The point is that God cannot do something that is a violation of his own existence and nature.
So he's not omnipotent.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147600 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
No I refuse to repeat myself. I'm sorry you missed it on the first 3 or 4 times that it was posted.
So far you have not presented any evidence. So presenting evidence would be a first, not a repetition.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147601 Jan 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>And yet, you would say that about your deity.
Incredible, isn't it?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147602 Jan 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Hitler didn't screen for mental health , he screened for potential enemies, if you were not a Nazi, you were the enemy.
It started with disarming the Jews, then calling anyone who was not a Nazi a communist.
It was easy to locate and raid anyone who was potentially a threat to his regime from inside because of the reregistration.
Yes he did

The Eugenics movement and Arian ideal tempered his view

Within 6 months of him becoming chancellor compulsory sterilisation for “mental defectives” was brought into law in Germany.

Thas was some years before his downer on Jews

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147603 Jan 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
We're going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun. We're going to need to look more closely at a culture that all too often glorifies guns and violence. And any actions we must take must begin inside the home and inside our hearts.
I don’t know about the US but in the UK a persons health records are restricted and will remain so.

As to how the open access to guns is solved I really don’t know, in the UK it was made law by the will of the majority. Contrary to popular US belief one can still own a rifle (not a handgun) but you must obtain a licence first. The thing is the majority of people don’t want one, cant be bothered, what’s the point unless target shooting is a hobby. And of course many see such a weapon as an invitation for a criminal to arm himself and be prepared to overcome such resistance

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#147604 Jan 8, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes he did
The Eugenics movement and Arian ideal tempered his view
Within 6 months of him becoming chancellor compulsory sterilisation for “mental defectives” was brought into law in Germany.
Thas was some years before his downer on Jews
I suppose there was no end to his insanity.
There's a difference in screening to help a person and screening to eliminate them. But I much thought it was Aryan features he screened for in creating the Hitler youth program. His attempt was to create the blue eyed blond race. I guess if you had brown eyes you were faulty. But most of this was done by a guy under Hitler I think? Kurt Gruber And Mengle probably others.

KJV

United States

#147605 Jan 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text> http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

Can't you make one point without invoking a fallacy. Let's look at the "majority" track record.

When Adolf said "let's torture Jewish people to death," the majority of Germans thought that was a good idea ... and the majority of the world thought it was none of their business, until he threatened to take over the world.

During the Crusades, a majority of the people thought the church knew what it was doing. So they killed a bunch of "brown" people who were minding their own business. Now the majority of those people blame the US for these slights, go figure.

The majority of the people thought the Inquisitors knew what they were doing, which resulted in the torture and death of a lot of innocent people.

The majority of England thought the US should be under English rule. So the US fought back. Then the majority of the US thought black people were less than human and should be slaves. Once they were freed the majority of the US thought they were still less than human and thus deserved no rights. Nice track record there.

The majority of Ancient Egyptians thought the pharaohs were demi-gods, so much that they took what they said as law even though the priests and preistesses were actually pulling the strings.

The majority of the world's population thought human sacrifices were a great thing for a few thousand years.

The majority thought the Earth was flat.

The majority thought lightning was some magical power of the gods.

The majority thought you could use your hands to wipe your butt.

Not a very good track record for the majority, it's more often wrong than correct, so if you want to pull that fallacy, it actually makes your religion look like a really bad idea.
It's no fallacy Them's the facts.
I didn't write those surveys I didn't supervise those surveys. I simply quoted those surveys.

Just like I'm quoting some atheist who claim everyone is born an atheist in this post below.

2.3% what a joke your religion is!

You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.

That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!

WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?

Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#147606 Jan 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Quoting your own quote doesn't make it more valid. Gun crime in the US is miles above any other country, the solution is the remove guns.
Its a pity the spoilt toddler that is the the US, won't let mommy reason take the toy away after they killed someone with it.
Perhaps the problem is that basic moral education was substituted with religious cr*p and that's what makes you folk so f*cking stupid when it comes to guns.
If the solution is to remove the guns then explain Sweden. Maybe you could explain why some one from UK cares about US gun laws anyway..
KJV

United States

#147607 Jan 8, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>Is it a popup book?

Those are the best.
LOL!
KJV

United States

#147608 Jan 8, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>The point is... Make a law banning guns then only criminals will have guns.
Is that kind of like when you're looking for something and it's always in the last place you looked? After all why keep looking once you found it. If guns we outlawed then yes anyone with a gun would be breaking the law even if the owner never planed on using it for any other criminal intent.
KJV

United States

#147609 Jan 8, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>You are sparking research on new and indestructible irony meters.

The current models are no match for you.
Funny how atheist believe there is no God yet they all seem to believe in a gadget called an irony meters.
KJV

United States

#147610 Jan 8, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Yes however civilisation has progressed over 300+ years, most civilisations anyway.

Does my country have any say in disarming your country? I can make my opinion known just as you can, that’s freedom for you. The difference is that in your country I do not get a vote.

So your idea of freedom is to limit the type of weapon to those who you think should be allowed to carry them – fine… How about the guy down the road with the semi automatic over the fire in his lounge and the shotgun on display in the back window of his suv who likes to drink until he’s falling over drunk every Friday night, does he not get a say in this?

You also seem to be in favour of “compulsory” screening to see if one is fit to carry a firearm, where is the freedom in that? Double standards or what?

Try looking up the definition of amendment FYI CHANGE. It’s down to the will of the people as to whether the majority of guns are removed from the public. It can never be all guns, there will always be some few (even in the UK) who consider unregistered guns to be a turn on (or big them up to their gang) but that goes into the realms of obsession and you cant legislate against that.

Quote
The manner in which America's crime rate compared to other countries of similar wealth and development depends on the nature of the crime used in the comparison.[30] Overall crime statistic comparisons are difficult to conduct, as the definition of crimes significant enough to be published in annual reports varies across countries. Thus an agency in a foreign country may include crimes in its annual reports which the United States omits.
Some countries such as Canada, however, have similar definitions of what constitutes a violent crime, and nearly all countries had the same definition of the characteristics that constitutes a homicide. Overall the total crime rate of the United States is similar to that of other highly developed countries. Some types of reported property crime in the U.S. survey as lower than in Germany or Canada, yet the homicide rate in the United States is substantially higher.
Endquote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Uni...

Aura Mytha wrote, "<quoted text> Oh but you want to impose on my freedom just two post ago ?
Hypocrite much? "

Three posts – your freedom to wear a seat belt? Look, if you don’t want to wear a seat belt that up to you but don’t come crying to me when some p|sshead rams you head on and you wife and kids are mutilated in the devastation.
Yes the homicide rate in the United States is substantially higher. But only because of the first amendment freedom of speech. If some people would just shut and not piss everyone off they would not be getting shot!

Take Septic for instants.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#147611 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that kind of like when you're looking for something and it's always in the last place you looked? After all why keep looking once you found it. If guns we outlawed then yes anyone with a gun would be breaking the law even if the owner never planed on using it for any other criminal intent.
Oh, mean like the drug war.. or is it the war on terrorism.. or is it the war on childhood obesity?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#147612 Jan 8, 2013
Why?
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny how atheist believe there is no God yet they all seem to believe in a gadget called an irony meters.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147613 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how atheist believe there is no God yet they all seem to believe in a gadget called an irony meters.
I used to believe in irony meters.

But you just keep breaking them.

I don't believe in them any more.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147614 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
It's no fallacy Them's the facts.
I didn't write those surveys I didn't supervise those surveys. I simply quoted those surveys.
Just like I'm quoting some atheist who claim everyone is born an atheist in this post below.
2.3% what a joke your religion is!
You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.
That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!
WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?
Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
So, you didn't even look at what the fallacy is that you are employing. You are using a fallacy, end of story.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#147615 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
It's no fallacy Them's the facts.
I didn't write those surveys I didn't supervise those surveys. I simply quoted those surveys.
Just like I'm quoting some atheist who claim everyone is born an atheist in this post below.
2.3% what a joke your religion is!
You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.
That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!
WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?
Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
And if the religulous would stop pushing their religion on children BEFORE they have reached an age where they can reason for themselves, that number would more than likely be a whole lot different.

All you've shown is how effective religious brainwashing is when they have immature minds to work with.

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