Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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KJV

United States

#147630 Jan 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>And if the religulous would stop pushing their religion on children BEFORE they have reached an age where they can reason for themselves, that number would more than likely be a whole lot different.

All you've shown is how effective religious brainwashing is when they have immature minds to work with.
That may in fact be true. However who's place is it to tell parents they cannot teach their children what they believe to be true and can save them from eternal damnation. And why do so many atheist children leave atheism to become a theist?

"Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

Continued:

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147631 Jan 8, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
A starving man will go look for food.
A lazy man will ask you to go look for food and bring it too him.
There’s no lack of evidence in proving there’s a God.
There’s a lack of effort.
Actually, we went looking for truth.

We didn't find it in the bible.

And we were brave enough to admit it.

I'd wager that most atheists here made more of an effort going out and looking for your god than you did.

You, in fact, are the lazy one.
KJV

United States

#147632 Jan 8, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>How is that funny?
Humor is different for everyone and from every point of observation.
KJV

United States

#147633 Jan 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>You don't. How can you have any morals if you don't believe in irony meters? You heathen.
Sorry I will try and repent.(If I can hold a straight face long enough)
KJV

United States

#147634 Jan 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>It was the Sausage Monster that made him say it, don't blame him for it, we shall ask the holy noodles to bless him for his blasphemy.
These holy noodles are they the same ones used in spaghettio's.
KJV

United States

#147635 Jan 8, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>You do a really good job covering the issue of gun control. Perhaps you should stick with it and let go of this other. At least with gun control you bring in valid points to the argument. With Atheism you just don’t have much to say other than a few off the shelf remarks.

I’m not trying to insult you here. I’m just pointing out your much stronger in one area than the other. I was raised up with guns. But I have gotten rid of all my guns except one.

My Son in Houston has been the opposite of myself. He is a gun loving fool. He is also a sportsman that loves to hunt and fish. Shooting is a serious hobby with some folks.

In my younger days for stress relief I would take my 357 to a indoor shooting range. There’s nothing like shooting a 357 indoors. The dust at the top of the ceiling would let go and fall. You could feel the energy hit you in the face when the hammer came down.

Hopefully our country can come to grips with some reasonable gun control that keeps guns out of the hands of the crazies.
Nicely put.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#147636 Jan 8, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
A starving man will go look for food.
A lazy man will ask you to go look for food and bring it too him.
There’s no lack of evidence in proving there’s a God.
There’s a lack of effort.
There’s no lack of evidence in proving there’s a Zeus.
There’s a lack of effort.
KJV

United States

#147637 Jan 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Excuses. The starving man is actually missing something. We are not, we are just not buying what you're selling without you providing evidence to support it.
Some evidence has been presented to you. Not all by no means. But some good stuff and your choice was to disregard it. That's your call, it effects only you. But with your rejection of the evidence you should stop asking for proof. You just look silly.
KJV

United States

#147638 Jan 8, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>The bible says god isn't omniscient.
Which god are you talking about?

The God of the Bible is alway capitalized. So you must be talking of something I cannot help you with.
KJV

United States

#147639 Jan 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Since you are inherently siding with the majority it is safe to assume that you don't care about being correct at all.
Nope
KJV

United States

#147640 Jan 8, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>Let me get this straight; you refuse to repeat yourself; but you have repeated yourself 3 or 4 times? OK.

Next, you have some proof that your god exist, but you are refusing to share it? How does your god feel about that?

I know, there is a bible verse for every situation! Whether you need a for or an against on any subject, the bible has a verse for it.
First: the evidence has been presented enough time. "It don't take me too long to look at a horse shoe. "

Second: evidence is not proof, I did not say I had proof.
KJV

United States

#147641 Jan 8, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>So he's not omnipotent.
If you wish.
KJV

United States

#147642 Jan 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So far you have not presented any evidence. So presenting evidence would be a first, not a repetition.
This is a lie. I have, along with others presented evidence. As I said you simply dismissed it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147643 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Which god are you talking about?
The God of the Bible is alway capitalized. So you must be talking of something I cannot help you with.
The god of the bible is not omniscient.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#147644 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Which god are you talking about?
The God of the Bible is alway capitalized. So you must be talking of something I cannot help you with.
Actually, to specify a god of the Bible, you would use Adonai, Jehovah, Elohim, El-Shaddai, etc.

"God" is a generic term that Christians have tried to steal and claim as their own by capitalizing it. Seems stealing is a defining characteristic of the Abrahamic religions.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#147645 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Some evidence has been presented to you. Not all by no means. But some good stuff and your choice was to disregard it. That's your call, it effects only you. But with your rejection of the evidence you should stop asking for proof. You just look silly.
The Bible cannot be used as proof of the validity of the Bible.

Hearsay is not evidence.

Anecdotal stories are not evidence.

Goad of the gaps does not equal evidence.

Anthropomorphism does not equal evidence.

Anthropic philosophical arguments do not equal evidence.

Evidence is observable, measurable, independently verifiable, and testable.

Thus far you have presented absolutely NO evidence.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#147646 Jan 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
I looked it up and read one of the treatises explaining it. It seems to be more of a philosophical mish-mash than anything actually useful. There were some things that I consider to be laughably wrong and a few things that I thought were correct. I'm willing to wait and see if anything useful comes out of it. I doubt it will.
Very interesting life story Chris has.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147647 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Some evidence has been presented to you. Not all by no means. But some good stuff and your choice was to disregard it. That's your call, it effects only you. But with your rejection of the evidence you should stop asking for proof. You just look silly.
No, all I have seen are assertions, no evidence at all.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147648 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a lie. I have, along with others presented evidence. As I said you simply dismissed it.
No, you present assertions, the assertions are dismissed because you present no evidence to support them.

“Proud Member”

Since: Dec 10

The Basket of Deplorables

#147649 Jan 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible cannot be used as proof of the validity of the Bible.
Hearsay is not evidence.
Anecdotal stories are not evidence.
Goad of the gaps does not equal evidence.
Anthropomorphism does not equal evidence.
Anthropic philosophical arguments do not equal evidence.
Evidence is observable, measurable, independently verifiable, and testable.
Thus far you have presented absolutely NO evidence.
bUt Why can't i be proof of my own Power?
I paid tax on it lol

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