Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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KJV

United States

#147590 Jan 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>But this is a straw man fallacy argument, You claim some deity exist, I simply doubt the validity of YOUR.
I see.
KJV

United States

#147591 Jan 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>Now that's some fancy singin' and dancin' there! So I cannot do anything that is inconsistent with my nature, so by this twisted logic I would be omnipotent too. That's absurd.

To accept this argument is to redefine the word "all" such that "all powerful" is some strange twilight zone parody of "all". You really fell for this lame apologetic?
The point is that God cannot do something that is a violation of his own existence and nature.
KJV

United States

#147592 Jan 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>If you refuse to provide evidence of your assertions, then you are more dishonest than I had originally thought.
No I refuse to repeat myself. I'm sorry you missed it on the first 3 or 4 times that it was posted.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#147593 Jan 8, 2013
The bible says god isn't omniscient.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Knowing it and forcing you to make it are two very different things.
KJV

United States

#147594 Jan 8, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>The CIA factbook does not show its methodology for arriving at those figures nor is there any indication of how old the data on which it is based are. Other sources are more transparent, notably the Pew Forum and ARIS. Without that metadata, there is no way of knowing how reliable its statistics are.
"The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%.

Ok let's look at this.

"nor is there any indication of how old the data on which it is based are"

July 2012 est.
This date is not good enough for you?

You say you like the Pew Forum.

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

This is a bit older but it's all I have found from pew.

As far as the lot her issues with The CIA fact book you have the capability to go to the web site for your other answers.

"A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147595 Jan 8, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me if I go with the guy who doesn't depict the crusades as simply "killing brown people".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =X0zudTQelzIXX&list=UUX6b1 7PVsYBQ0ip5gyeme-Q&index=7 4
Way to skip past the point to nitpick one of the summaries. Majority is wrong more often than not, end of story.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#147596 Jan 8, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Ooa98FHuaU0XX
fbi.gov
Nice! He touched on the big issue; "FEAR". To get a group of people to do anything, it seems that it takes fear.

Germany in the 1930's & 40's. Does anyone really believe that Germans hated the Jews? They did not, they feared hitler and the ss. Would you give up your family or would you turn on your neighbor? Far too many of us would quickly turn on our neighbor.

What about christians? If you didn't worry about spending eternity in hell, would you still believe? I don't think so. Even if your church is not the fire and brimstone type, you are taught from the beginning, that there is major consequences for not believing properly. Why would a god torture you for eternity, just for not believing that which you cannot verify?

Americans, how do you think the Patriot Act got voted in? Why are we unlawfully searched at airports? Simply, we are afraid. Some of you remember the 60's & 70's; it seemed like every week, some was highjacking an airplane.

Fear, still the best form of control.

The second best form of control; pull at the heart strings. Who doesn't feel for the children on the christian children's fund? But who sits down and figures out how to prevent hungry children? Like, stop having children that you cannot possible feed! The hard reality is, we feed these children, they survive and have children that they cannot feed, we feed them, they survive and have children that they cannot possibly feed and no one seems to say, "STOP having children! Learn how to deal with the environment or move to a place where you can deal with it. Get an education/trade."

Nope! Just a, "You are heartless for even suggesting that they take responsibility for their actions!"

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147597 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%.
Ok let's look at this.
"nor is there any indication of how old the data on which it is based are"
July 2012 est.
This date is not good enough for you?
You say you like the Pew Forum.
"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."
This is a bit older but it's all I have found from pew.
As far as the lot her issues with The CIA fact book you have the capability to go to the web site for your other answers.
"A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."
Wikipedia:
"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"
Wikipedia :
"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"
Wikipedia :
"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"
"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."
"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.
In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of
Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."
Since you are inherently siding with the majority it is safe to assume that you don't care about being correct at all.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#147598 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
No I refuse to repeat myself. I'm sorry you missed it on the first 3 or 4 times that it was posted.
Let me get this straight; you refuse to repeat yourself; but you have repeated yourself 3 or 4 times? OK.

Next, you have some proof that your god exist, but you are refusing to share it? How does your god feel about that?

I know, there is a bible verse for every situation! Whether you need a for or an against on any subject, the bible has a verse for it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147599 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>The point is that God cannot do something that is a violation of his own existence and nature.
So he's not omnipotent.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147600 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
No I refuse to repeat myself. I'm sorry you missed it on the first 3 or 4 times that it was posted.
So far you have not presented any evidence. So presenting evidence would be a first, not a repetition.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147601 Jan 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>And yet, you would say that about your deity.
Incredible, isn't it?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#147602 Jan 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Hitler didn't screen for mental health , he screened for potential enemies, if you were not a Nazi, you were the enemy.
It started with disarming the Jews, then calling anyone who was not a Nazi a communist.
It was easy to locate and raid anyone who was potentially a threat to his regime from inside because of the reregistration.
Yes he did

The Eugenics movement and Arian ideal tempered his view

Within 6 months of him becoming chancellor compulsory sterilisation for “mental defectives” was brought into law in Germany.

Thas was some years before his downer on Jews

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#147603 Jan 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
We're going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun. We're going to need to look more closely at a culture that all too often glorifies guns and violence. And any actions we must take must begin inside the home and inside our hearts.
I don’t know about the US but in the UK a persons health records are restricted and will remain so.

As to how the open access to guns is solved I really don’t know, in the UK it was made law by the will of the majority. Contrary to popular US belief one can still own a rifle (not a handgun) but you must obtain a licence first. The thing is the majority of people don’t want one, cant be bothered, what’s the point unless target shooting is a hobby. And of course many see such a weapon as an invitation for a criminal to arm himself and be prepared to overcome such resistance

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#147604 Jan 8, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes he did
The Eugenics movement and Arian ideal tempered his view
Within 6 months of him becoming chancellor compulsory sterilisation for “mental defectives” was brought into law in Germany.
Thas was some years before his downer on Jews
I suppose there was no end to his insanity.
There's a difference in screening to help a person and screening to eliminate them. But I much thought it was Aryan features he screened for in creating the Hitler youth program. His attempt was to create the blue eyed blond race. I guess if you had brown eyes you were faulty. But most of this was done by a guy under Hitler I think? Kurt Gruber And Mengle probably others.

KJV

United States

#147605 Jan 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text> http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

Can't you make one point without invoking a fallacy. Let's look at the "majority" track record.

When Adolf said "let's torture Jewish people to death," the majority of Germans thought that was a good idea ... and the majority of the world thought it was none of their business, until he threatened to take over the world.

During the Crusades, a majority of the people thought the church knew what it was doing. So they killed a bunch of "brown" people who were minding their own business. Now the majority of those people blame the US for these slights, go figure.

The majority of the people thought the Inquisitors knew what they were doing, which resulted in the torture and death of a lot of innocent people.

The majority of England thought the US should be under English rule. So the US fought back. Then the majority of the US thought black people were less than human and should be slaves. Once they were freed the majority of the US thought they were still less than human and thus deserved no rights. Nice track record there.

The majority of Ancient Egyptians thought the pharaohs were demi-gods, so much that they took what they said as law even though the priests and preistesses were actually pulling the strings.

The majority of the world's population thought human sacrifices were a great thing for a few thousand years.

The majority thought the Earth was flat.

The majority thought lightning was some magical power of the gods.

The majority thought you could use your hands to wipe your butt.

Not a very good track record for the majority, it's more often wrong than correct, so if you want to pull that fallacy, it actually makes your religion look like a really bad idea.
It's no fallacy Them's the facts.
I didn't write those surveys I didn't supervise those surveys. I simply quoted those surveys.

Just like I'm quoting some atheist who claim everyone is born an atheist in this post below.

2.3% what a joke your religion is!

You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.

That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!

WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?

Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#147606 Jan 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Quoting your own quote doesn't make it more valid. Gun crime in the US is miles above any other country, the solution is the remove guns.
Its a pity the spoilt toddler that is the the US, won't let mommy reason take the toy away after they killed someone with it.
Perhaps the problem is that basic moral education was substituted with religious cr*p and that's what makes you folk so f*cking stupid when it comes to guns.
If the solution is to remove the guns then explain Sweden. Maybe you could explain why some one from UK cares about US gun laws anyway..
KJV

United States

#147607 Jan 8, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>Is it a popup book?

Those are the best.
LOL!
KJV

United States

#147608 Jan 8, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>The point is... Make a law banning guns then only criminals will have guns.
Is that kind of like when you're looking for something and it's always in the last place you looked? After all why keep looking once you found it. If guns we outlawed then yes anyone with a gun would be breaking the law even if the owner never planed on using it for any other criminal intent.
KJV

United States

#147609 Jan 8, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>You are sparking research on new and indestructible irony meters.

The current models are no match for you.
Funny how atheist believe there is no God yet they all seem to believe in a gadget called an irony meters.

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