Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#147344 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What claim?
That atheism is belief depending on evidence.

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#147345 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That's a pretty poor excuse for not having any evidence of your assertion that there is a god, much less the one you ascribe to. Sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself that you know something others don't so you don't have to face facts.
It's no excuse, it's reality.

Can you prove that you love your mom?

Go ahead & try.

“Ditat Deus”

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#147346 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, why did you make up a number. It's 2.04% that openly admit to being atheists. But the "non-religious" count as well, because without a religious belief you lack a belief in a god, therefore you're an atheist as well. The "atheist" label in that survey was likely for the atheist religions, there are a few religious that have no gods in them. So the total actually nears 14%.
But then, it doesn't matter, the majority are wrong more often than correct, and an appeal to popularity is a fallacy.
Whatever then, 2.04%...

But you can't say that 14% are atheists because 13% of them say they are non-religious or agnostic, not atheists.

You don't get to change the stats to suit your argument.

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#147347 Jan 6, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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We need to tone down the rhetoric.
What, why? What have we done? Or r u just being sarcastic or something?

“I Am No One Else”

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#147348 Jan 6, 2013
TLC wrote:
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I've been saying all along that atheism is a religion and you just agreed with that. You just called all your lame brained atheist friends liars!!! Thanks for destroying your own kind!!!
Ah, twisting the words to suit your fallacy, a typical tactic you enjoy employing, JR. May I call you JR? Typing out Just Results all the time gets tiring. Anyhow, atheism is not a religion, but there are religions that have no gods, therefore, the people following those are categorized as atheist. Do you need more English words explained to you tonight, JR?

“I Am No One Else”

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#147349 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Whatever then, 2.04%...
But you can't say that 14% are atheists because 13% of them say they are non-religious or agnostic, not atheists.
You don't get to change the stats to suit your argument.
Non-religious would also be atheist, if you don't believe in any religion, then by default you don't believe in a god, thus the label of atheist includes those as well. Why are you even caring about such numbers anyway? It's silly, childish, and stupid. But your complete disregard of the English language is insulting to the USA.

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#147350 Jan 6, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I've seen Source Code. I liked it. Did you see any of the Back to the Future movies?
If you get yourself killed I'll go back in time and strategically place a banana peel to thwart your would-be assassin.
LOL, u would do that for me? Thanks!

Who the blumin' hell hasn't seen ALL the back to future movies? They must be sad people, lol, I'm joking or am I?

Yh, I liked it too, but i'm soooo confused. When I watched the back to future movies, I was a kid, right, so u didn't think about the science behind the film and with those movies I don't even care about the paradox or things like that, but i'm so confused about source code, coz I started thinking too much about it and it doesn't make sense. How did he send her the text msg?

Another film that I cared about, being confused about, was room 1408, that was another good film, but too confusing.

“I Am No One Else”

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#147351 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That atheism is belief depending on evidence.
Meh, it's a logical conclusion since we require evidence before we are willing to believe anything. However, atheism is not a belief, it's a lack of belief and only a lack of belief in a god.

Since: Sep 10

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#147352 Jan 6, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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What, why? What have we done? Or r u just being sarcastic or something?
I'm sick and tired of the gun discussion.

It's very depressing.

Since: Sep 08

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#147353 Jan 6, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Hey Dave!
Welcome back. Again.
Interesting article. I'm wondering, though.
What gives you the idea that we don't hold science and scientists up to the same skeptical standard as we do religion?
Let me give you a couple of examples.
Super luminal neutrinos-When I saw this report, I was excited at the potential of brand new knowledge, but I was doubtful of the precision of the measurement methods and that all the factors of shooting neutrinos through that much of the earth were taken into account. As it turned out, the measurements WERE flawed, and scientists, also skeptical, found the flaws.
The Martian meteorite-Those little microbe things LOOKED like they could be once live microbes. But they also looked like they blended into the meteorite. I also wondered (still do) if something the size of bacteria can even BE fossilized. I would think they are too small and frail, but I don't know. Either way, science and scientists once again cleared this up.
LIGO-The experiment to detect gravity waves. Considering the microscopic accuracy required over a 4 mile distance, I have my doubts that even the earth's crust is stable enough for the level of precision. Same goes for the proposed space based LIGO system. Of course, I don't KNOW if my concerns are legitimate, but I am fairly certain that any potential results will be closely scrutinized.
At least there is no equivalent of the pope in science. No single, ultimate authority.
You poor simple minded soul.

There are plenty of cardinals, bishops, and a Pope or two in science. Gatekeepers of the approved way of looking at things. They also have a problem with the heretics within their church, too.

In your simple mindicity you default to this hazy religion you call science, and develop this belief this all happened along by chance. This is a religion, a belief you will find the answers in time. Well, you won't, but you hope mankind will. Part of the religion. They do the same in some churches.

You, and many others like you, get lost in the sophistry of modern physics. You started worshiping that concept I mentioned instead of the unknowable creative force. You make the mistake of denying its existence.

If you had some more smarts about how things work, it would be easier for you to realize that you are just a construct in this manifestation. You are no different than a damned light bulb, except they are brighter. You are circuitry for a force set into motion. Like a light can reveal things by its energy impacting them, AND those reflections in turn affect it, your existence is very similar, just a whole bunch more complex. The difference is the potential for you to manifest as a more coherent form on another level, or even here.

Here is the difference between a light bulb and a human being. A light bulb doesn't know there is a switch powering it. It just exists, just like your average Topix atheist. No fucking brains to see beyond itself and the moment.

Thanks for the welcome back.

:-)

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#147354 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Non-religious would also be atheist, if you don't believe in any religion, then by default you don't believe in a god, thus the label of atheist includes those as well. Why are you even caring about such numbers anyway? It's silly, childish, and stupid. But your complete disregard of the English language is insulting to the USA.
Those stats are as accurate as possible. An atheist would label themselves as such.

An agnostic is not an atheist.

I care about the stats because its fun to put down atheist remarks that their numbers are growing.

“I Am No One Else”

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#147355 Jan 6, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I'm sick and tired of the gun discussion.
It's very depressing.
I'm bored of it, but then I was bored of it a couple decades ago.

“Ditat Deus”

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#147356 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Meh, it's a logical conclusion since we require evidence before we are willing to believe anything. However, atheism is not a belief, it's a lack of belief and only a lack of belief in a god.
Ya, which is why I contended his stupid comment.

Then you attack me not know that we were on the sane side of the argument.

An atheist that says its a fact that there is no God is a liar.

Since: Sep 08

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#147357 Jan 6, 2013
BTW, you idiot Topix atheists, the subject of this thread is about atheism requiring a belief system, not about proof of the religious beliefs of others.

If you don't know how something happened, let's take the creation of this universe for an example, then you have a belief system of some sort to account for your existence.

Unless you are mindless and exist as a rock.

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#147358 Jan 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
BTW, you idiot Topix atheists, the subject of this thread is about atheism requiring a belief system, not about proof of the religious beliefs of others.
If you don't know how something happened, let's take the creation of this universe for an example, then you have a belief system of some sort to account for your existence.
Unless you are mindless and exist as a rock.
Lol, good point.

But they don't call it "beliefs", they call it "theories"....

“I Am No One Else”

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#147359 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, which is why I contended his stupid comment.
Then you attack me not know that we were on the sane side of the argument.
An atheist that says its a fact that there is no God is a liar.
Where did I attack you? I asked, and I quote "What claim?" ... that was all. Everything is buried in heaps of boring gun debate, I can't go through all that crap for one post.

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#147360 Jan 6, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I'm sick and tired of the gun discussion.
It's very depressing.
Yh, I've been bored too, I'd rather just sit and do my work then come on topix, but I have got a lot of it done, so being bored of topix has helped me, lol.

I can try and help make it fun for a few days, but then I'm going away for 3 weeks, i wish u best of luck, u guys r gonna need it! People are getting more boring!!!

“I Am No One Else”

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#147361 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's no excuse, it's reality.
Can you prove that you love your mom?
Go ahead & try.
That would be impossible, I cannot love someone who did not love me. Even then, it's common knowledge that you cannot prove you do, nor how much you do, love someone or thing. That's why there are so many poems and songs about it, people attempt to prove it but cannot. They cannot prove it because they don't know what it actually is.

Now ask a neurologist to demonstrate it, they'll show you images of how it effects the brain, much like blowing up a balloon demonstrates air exists, the effects the chemicals that produce the feeling we call "love" demonstrates that love exists. But you have already been shown these scans, so meh.

“I Am No One Else”

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#147362 Jan 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
BTW, you idiot Topix atheists, the subject of this thread is about atheism requiring a belief system, not about proof of the religious beliefs of others.
If you don't know how something happened, let's take the creation of this universe for an example, then you have a belief system of some sort to account for your existence.
Unless you are mindless and exist as a rock.
No, the original, note the qualifier, topic is:

"Atheism requires as much faith as religion?"

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#147363 Jan 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
BTW, you idiot Topix atheists, the subject of this thread is about atheism requiring a belief system, not about proof of the religious beliefs of others.
If you don't know how something happened, let's take the creation of this universe for an example, then you have a belief system of some sort to account for your existence.
Unless you are mindless and exist as a rock.
DAVE!! Hey sweetie!!!!

I started to get worried, u know, when u went missing! I was asking these guys, "where is Dave", I thought u got abducted by aliens or by God!

Nice to have u back!:-)

Oh and I got my TV fixed!

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