Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Jan 6, 2013
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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One, read the Bible! If that isn't enough proof...
Second, there is no evidence that a god exists.
Psst You are done waiting.
"Read the bible"?

HA! Try understanding the bible. Contrary to what atheists think, it isn't a novel.

Lots of us have seen God's evidence. Personally, I have felt God's presence & heard His voice.

That's proof enough!

pssst: keep waiting...

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Jan 6, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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I'm there right now.
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Core next.
Then upper body.
Back.

Elliptical trainer and stationary bike.

Then situps.

Now waffles.

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
That's not an absolute--it's only true if there is no reason to believe that an event or phenomenon would leave evidence behind. But if evidence is logically predictable and does not exist, then its lack is indeed evidence of absence--that is, in fact, an essential part of the falsifiability process of the scientific method. So the real question is whether so powerful and essential a force as a god could exist without leaving unambiguous evidence. I suspect not, but then, I've made no effort to predict such evidence.

The second question is whether it is reasonable to expect others to believe in something given said absence of evidence. Can logic be twisted so far as to make absence of evidence evidence for existence? Surely not.

All this leads the skeptical logician towards an agnosticism (i.e. it is not possible to know for certain) that leads towards atheism (seems more unlikely than likely). I think that's where most of the regular participants in the atheism forum find themselves.

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Jan 6, 2013
 
Ah but that argument falls flat because according to the ancient sheep herders telling their campfire bible stories there was plenty of proof for god. He even walked among them spoke and performed miracles. So if this were true and not just folk tale why can't the same happen today? Or last year? Or the last 2000 years? Maybe cameras scare god lol!

Bottom line of they with their meager knowledge and resources available could accurately observe him so should we. Unless it was just a myth.

So once again. Why should anyone accept god as anything more than the product of someone's imagination?

Lame dodge, insult and redirection coming in 5..4..3..2...
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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Jan 6, 2013
 
I figured you to be earring voices in your head. Maybe you should get something for those. And I know it's hard for you to believe but nobody else can hear those voices in your head no matter how clear they are to you.

Perhaps all the so called bible prophets had schizophrenia like RR there but just the people at the time didn't understand. That would be much more plausible than a real supernatural deity yes?
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"Read the bible"?
HA! Try understanding the bible. Contrary to what atheists think, it isn't a novel.
Lots of us have seen God's evidence. Personally, I have felt God's presence & heard His voice.
That's proof enough!
pssst: keep waiting...

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Jan 6, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Yeah, it kinda is.

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Jan 6, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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Back.
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Jan 6, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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Belgian?
Frozen. Costco.

But real maple syrup on them.

And a cup of strong French roast.

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Jan 6, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
Denying your claim is not making a claim, therefore it is your responsibility to support your own claim with evidence. Since it's your claim, you have to do it.
Wouldn't it be nice if anyone could get away with making claims without any evidence to support them? Imagine the world where bigfoot is real and hunting is banned in the Northwest to protect it, alien abductions happen to everyone and insurance has to pay for it, it is actually the other person's fault on all cases, and it really isn't their drugs. You think you get a free pass, well, you don't anymore. Where is your evidence.
Wouldn't it be nice?

MrCharlieDarwin posted:

"Atheism = belief depending on evidence"

I asked him where his evidence is.

His claim, not mine.

Try again?

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Jan 6, 2013
 
NightSerf wrote:
That's not an absolute--it's only true if there is no reason to believe that an event or phenomenon would leave evidence behind. But if evidence is logically predictable and does not exist, then its lack is indeed evidence of absence--that is, in fact, an essential part of the falsifiability process of the scientific method. So the real question is whether so powerful and essential a force as a god could exist without leaving unambiguous evidence. I suspect not, but then, I've made no effort to predict such evidence.
The second question is whether it is reasonable to expect others to believe in something given said absence of evidence. Can logic be twisted so far as to make absence of evidence evidence for existence? Surely not.
All this leads the skeptical logician towards an agnosticism (i.e. it is not possible to know for certain) that leads towards atheism (seems more unlikely than likely). I think that's where most of the regular participants in the atheism forum find themselves.
The tell me why America is filled with so many intellectual, rational people yet atheists are only .07% of the population.

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Jan 6, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Why should anyone accept god as anything more than the product of someone's imagination?
They shouldn't.

If you have faith, you'd know.

If you believed in God, you'd know.

Because once you do, He is there for you.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
I figured you to be earring voices in your head. Maybe you should get something for those. And I know it's hard for you to believe but nobody else can hear those voices in your head no matter how clear they are to you.
Perhaps all the so called bible prophets had schizophrenia like RR there but just the people at the time didn't understand. That would be much more plausible than a real supernatural deity yes?
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And you accuse me of lame dodge, insult and redirection?

Hypocrite.

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Jan 6, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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It's exactly the same evidence you need to show us that there is no teapot orbiting the sun between Jupiter and Mars.
The teapot made its debut during the Ming Dynasty in China (approximately 1350ad). The first rocket into space was the German V2 in 1944. Since there is a reliable record of rockets and space exploration since the intial V2. It is safe to say there is no evidence of a teapot anywhere in space.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wouldn't it be nice?
MrCharlieDarwin posted:
"Atheism = belief depending on evidence"
I asked him where his evidence is.
His claim, not mine.
Try again?
What claim?

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Jan 6, 2013
 
Freebird USA wrote:
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The teapot made its debut during the Ming Dynasty in China (approximately 1350ad). The first rocket into space was the German V2 in 1944. Since there is a reliable record of rockets and space exploration since the intial V2. It is safe to say there is no evidence of a teapot anywhere in space.
So, even though you cannot actually prove there is no teapot in space, you consider such a possibility to be so remote as to be an absurd consideration?

That's exactly the way I feel about Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma ... and Adonai ... and Allah .... and Jehovah ... and Thor ... and Zeus ... and all the others.( www.godchecker.com )

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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They shouldn't.
If you have faith, you'd know.
If you believed in God, you'd know.
Because once you do, He is there for you.
That's a pretty poor excuse for not having any evidence of your assertion that there is a god, much less the one you ascribe to. Sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself that you know something others don't so you don't have to face facts.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The tell me why America is filled with so many intellectual, rational people yet atheists are only .07% of the population.
Um, why did you make up a number. It's 2.04% that openly admit to being atheists. But the "non-religious" count as well, because without a religious belief you lack a belief in a god, therefore you're an atheist as well. The "atheist" label in that survey was likely for the atheist religions, there are a few religious that have no gods in them. So the total actually nears 14%.

But then, it doesn't matter, the majority are wrong more often than correct, and an appeal to popularity is a fallacy.
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Jan 6, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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That's a pretty poor excuse for not having any evidence of your assertion that there is a god, much less the one you ascribe to. Sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself that you know something others don't so you don't have to face facts.
It is good to see you are highly troubled and burdened with your atheism. If you were firmly grounded in your disbelief in God, you would be spending your time doing far more productive things outside of this forum. Looks like you are the fool you know you are.
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Jan 6, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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The "atheist" label in that survey was likely for the atheist religions.
I've been saying all along that atheism is a religion and you just agreed with that. You just called all your lame brained atheist friends liars!!! Thanks for destroying your own kind!!!

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