Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Adam]

G_O_D wrote:

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Yep.
Alcohol and automoblies are the biggest killers in the USA.
Over half of the people in US prison are the result of alcohol related crimes.

Good point. But still no reason to own military style assult weapons.

[ChristineM]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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You don't get it.
Criminals & psychos will get guns whether or not they're legal or readily available.
How do you know that Lanza wouldn't have used a car to do the same crime had he not had guns?
Cars are deadly, they kill people, not the drivers.
Cars are weapons....
Dumb ass.

Yes so that limits the number of guns to a very few percent of the population.

Then there is no incentive for criminals to use firearms unless they know similar firearms will be used in response. The punishment (certainly in most of Europe) for an offence committed using a firearm tend to be 4/5 or more times harsher than the same crime without the firearm. Armed robbery 14 to 21 years. Unarmed burglary 2 to 5 years, unarmed housebreaking, a slap on the hand and perhaps a fine if the perp can afford it.(Up to you to look up the difference between burglary and housebreaking if you are interested)

The psychos exist whether the potential victim has a gun or not and owning gun will certainly be no deterrent to a psycho.

Stupid comparison you moron, cars “can” be used as a weapon, in the hands of someone with a mind to use it as such, they are however manufactured as transport aides. Just as a building brick can be used as a weapon in the wrong hands, it is manufactured as a building material. Hell even a babble can be used as a weapon if you hit someone with it, it seems it’s caused you considerable brain damage.

Guns on the other hand are manufactured explicitly as weapons, specifically to cause physical damage, mutilation and/or death to your opponent. They not manufactured to keep you warm and cosy while driving from point a to point b or to deflect the wind in such a civilised human way or to offer spiritual contentment to those who need it

Why are you so think?

[G_O_D]

Adam wrote:

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Good point. But still no reason to own military style assult weapons.

Why do I need a reason ?

What will I use when the civil war starts, when people get sick of being raped by politicians ?

[G_O_D]

ChristineM wrote:

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.... The punishment (certainly in most of Europe) for an offence committed using a firearm tend to be 4/5 or more times harsher than the same crime without the firearm....

The courts in the USA are different. Crimes are judged largely on the amount of wealth and power you have.

A poor person is more likely to be imprisoned than a middle-class person and the wealthy are rarley convincted, and those that are will usually be put in luxury hotels that are prisons only in name.

[Adam]

I think this gun debate is clearly polarised geographically. Brits, and also perhaps east coast liberals, like stronger gun laws. Those from the bible belt and middle America, think the more guns the better.

[G_O_D]

ChristineM wrote:

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Guns on the other hand are manufactured explicitly as weapons, specifically to cause physical damage, mutilation and/or death to your opponent.....

I cry over all the paper and clay I so terribly mutilate by guns every year. Not to mention the tasty animals brought home every fall and winter.

[G_O_D]

Adam wrote:

I think this gun debate is clearly polarised geographically. Brits, and also perhaps east coast liberals, like stronger gun laws. Those from the bible belt and middle America, think the more guns the better.

I would be interested in seeing those demographic stats.

[ChristineM]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Not concerned about your safety?
Don't wear seat belts?
Don't use a handrail on stairs?
Don't look both ways before crossing the street?
Don't lock your doors at night?
uh-huh...
You're concerned about your safety, you just don't like guns. Admit it.

Hey you are the on who claimed a gun kept YOU safe. Not your children or anyone else’s children but YOU, you selfish moron.

We were talking about MURDER weapons, not common sense.

It is not common sense to point a loaded weapon designed to kill people at a child’s head and pull the trigger, that does not stop guns being used in that way but it is most certainly not common sense

That is so typical of a MURDER weapon lover to fall back on citing common sense precautions as the reason he owns a gun. What total bollocks - you own a gun because you are a weak minded moron who wants to feel like a big macho man.

It’s not that I dislike guns, they have their place in the military and even when adequately monitored in “official” security situations (but even that fail as is shown by the Swiss murder statistics).

What I do dislike is the morons like you who make false claims (something you do often) about what you are unwilling to consider. Those ignorant morons who see guns as a comfort in the arms race they call their life

Life has much more to offer than living in fear of some dickhead like you having a mental breakdown and shooting someone’s children.

[ChristineM]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Yes, you quote the (version you want) of the bible exactly as it was written.
BUT - You don't understand the meaning of what you're quoting.

Yes any one of the 50 odd different versions written in English. That of course does not include those hundreds written pre KJV and those written in other languages. ALL claim to be right so which do you want me to quote from in future?

BTW. I have seen you quote 3 different versions (possibly more, not taking much notice) you hypocritical fool

Wrong, the meaning is written in words one after the other and verses one after the other and books one after the other. The meaning is given in linear fashion as in a book (which is is), not a random access database (which it is not).

What p|sses you off is that I don’t “interpret” meanings as you do, by jumping back and fourth through 4000 years of time to find bits that make sense to you as you find so comforting to suite you personal interpretation.

Of course I understand the meaning, I have shown you the verses that the god (and his buddies) you worship is an egotistical, genocidal, child murdering, condoner of slavery, apologist for rape misogynist with a bad temper.

And what have you provided in reply, passages from some 4000 years later.

You are so delusional and sad

[ChristineM]

Freebird USA wrote:

<quoted text> Recognizing reality qualifies one as a "nutcase"? Being prepared for any eventually to survive transforms me into the equivalent of a child killer? Good luck to you if the shit ever hits the fan in your lifetime.

Hey if you have a mental paddy you are capable of any act, if you carry a gun that makes the mayhem you can cause so much easier (and incidentally more removed from reality)

It’s hard to murder someone in cold blood when you do not have a weapon to do it for you second hand.

Personally I don’t need to worry that some dipshit freebird with personal issues is packing and on the edge of shooting my childen

What you worry about is up to you.

[ChristineM]

Lil Ticked wrote:

<quoted text>Getting rid of guns will not prevent children from getting murdered, or anyone for that matter.

Nope but it will get rid of children being murdered with guns

[ChristineM]

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>That is true.

Yes it’s true, people can flip their lid whether they are armed or not

The difference is that if you flip you lid when you are not armed then you can’t shoot people.

If you are determined to kill someone then you have to get close and personal to do it and it is also true that not so many people are capable of doing that even when the perp is mentally disturbed

[ChristineM]

G_O_D wrote:

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The courts in the USA are different. Crimes are judged largely on the amount of wealth and power you have.
A poor person is more likely to be imprisoned than a middle-class person and the wealthy are rarley convincted, and those that are will usually be put in luxury hotels that are prisons only in name.

So is the inequality perpetuated by the US justice system responsible for gun crime being so rife in the US?

[ChristineM]

G_O_D wrote:

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I cry over all the paper and clay I so terribly mutilate by guns every year. Not to mention the tasty animals brought home every fall and winter.

Aww poor dear, it’s only clay and paper, don’t get upset.

Yes a person can use a gun to kill animals just as efficiently as they can use it to kill people.

[Aerobatty]

G_O_D wrote:

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Why do I need a reason ?
What will I use when the civil war starts, when people get sick of being raped by politicians ?

Really?

Is that the level of paranoia you live with every day?

That's sad.

[ChristineM]

G_O_D wrote:

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I would be interested in seeing those demographic stats.

There is no argument for Britain, guns are highly regulated, ownership of handguns is illegal, even for sporting purposes.

However this more or less ties in with the middle America babble belt theme
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BmJ0sd4XzTA/UBGlpDV...
With the added huntin, shootin n fishin further up north

And this one correlates the number of gun deaths
http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybea...

And the babble belt
http://cdn.theatlanticcities.com/img/upload/2...

Not an exact match but pretty close

[Lil Ticked]

Adam wrote:

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Good point. But still no reason to own military style assult weapons.

I have a good reason... because the military owns them..
I wonder if anything ever happened in our recent history where a government removed guns from the populace and then commenced to commit atrocities against them.. Care to take a guess as to who did tht?

[Lil Ticked]

ChristineM wrote:

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Nope but it will get rid of children being murdered with guns

If you really think so.
http://www.havocscope.com/tag/arms-traffickin...

[KittenKoder]

Freebird USA wrote:

<quoted text> Which doesn't exclude the practioners from self serving barbaric behavior.

There are always "throwbacks" and various flaws in the development of the brain which do cause such, yes. But in general, humans want to do what's right by the species, even if they don't want to actually figure out what's right through logic.

[RiversideRedneck]

Aerobatty wrote:

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Not in my day.
"More stupid" was the only proper usage.
I guess we've had to dumb down the English language for dolts like you.

Lol, I guess it's dumber now....