Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#147247 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
A picture of a Boeing 737 with fuselage blown out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_F...
Payne Stewart crash due to decompression:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakot...
Quantas 747 lands safely after explosive decompression:
http://www.euronews.com/2008/07/25/qantas-747...
You should see the movie "Flight". You'd probably like it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147248 Jan 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You should see the movie "Flight". You'd probably like it.
It's on my list.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#147249 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
It's on my list.
Don't watch it with kids, there's boobies & bush 2 minutes into it...

Just a friendly warning.

Good movie - John Goodman was hilarious & Denzel is the man, as usual.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147250 Jan 5, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I get those all the time! Thanks to Spell Check, the wrong word is correctly spelled!
I read that, or tried to read that, several times and I missed it each time.:(
Don't worry about it, it was just hilarious to me how that one small letter can change the entire context of that sentence.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147251 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Have you ever seen the video of a 707 doing a barrel roll?
Google it. A properly executed barrel roll doesn't over stress a wing. And the change of weight of air is insignificant compared to the change of weight due to fuel burn.
There was also a case of a jetliner that blew out a whole section of fuselage that landed safely. A couple of people did get sucked out of that one, but the plane did not do what you said it would.
Also, the escaping air, even from an entire window blowing out has nowhere near the thrust of a jet engine. I don't know where you heard that. Even a shotgun blast would not cause that kind of effect. There was a holders plane that suffered an explosive decompression a few years back due to failure of a valve in the pressurization system. It flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
Your scenario only happens in the movies.
"Properly" executed, I wasn't talking about properly, was I? ;)

The other thing is fuel burn is factored in, but rapid depressurization is factored only as much as possible, there are always miscalculations in that aspect, you can't test for what you do not expect. I also qualified it with "small" jet engine, it's the same concept of the jet engine too, compressed air forced through a smaller opening. My scenario doesn't just happen in movies, because I gave a bunch of factors and possibilities, not a scenario. The only reason planes are as safe as they are now is because the engineers try to work on preventing the worst case scenarios, but even an engineer won't ever say it's perfectly safe. It's still the safest way to travel, but considering that there are way fewer planes in the air than cars on the ground, it's not surprising.

“Ditat Deus”

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#147252 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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"Properly" executed, I wasn't talking about properly, was I? ;)
The other thing is fuel burn is factored in, but rapid depressurization is factored only as much as possible, there are always miscalculations in that aspect, you can't test for what you do not expect. I also qualified it with "small" jet engine, it's the same concept of the jet engine too, compressed air forced through a smaller opening. My scenario doesn't just happen in movies, because I gave a bunch of factors and possibilities, not a scenario. The only reason planes are as safe as they are now is because the engineers try to work on preventing the worst case scenarios, but even an engineer won't ever say it's perfectly safe. It's still the safest way to travel, but considering that there are way fewer planes in the air than cars on the ground, it's not surprising.
You're less likely to get in an accident in a plane. However, I'd say it's probably a safe bet to state that you're more likely to live through a car crash than a plane crash.

More people die in automobile crashes than airplane crashes, yes. People also drive far more often than they fly.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147253 Jan 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're less likely to get in an accident in a plane. However, I'd say it's probably a safe bet to state that you're more likely to live through a car crash than a plane crash.
More people die in automobile crashes than airplane crashes, yes. People also drive far more often than they fly.
I included part of that point. ;) It's actually the real reason they don't let helicopters be flown without a ton of regulation, they don't want the airways to become as cluttered, and therefore accident prone, as our roadways.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147254 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>"Properly" executed, I wasn't talking about properly, was I? ;)

The other thing is fuel burn is factored in, but rapid depressurization is factored only as much as possible, there are always miscalculations in that aspect, you can't test for what you do not expect. I also qualified it with "small" jet engine, it's the same concept of the jet engine too, compressed air forced through a smaller opening. My scenario doesn't just happen in movies, because I gave a bunch of factors and possibilities, not a scenario. The only reason planes are as safe as they are now is because the engineers try to work on preventing the worst case scenarios, but even an engineer won't ever say it's perfectly safe. It's still the safest way to travel, but considering that there are way fewer planes in the air than cars on the ground, it's not surprising.
Still, if you're talking about a bullet, or even a shotgun blast, through a fuselage, it will not cause the loss of control you suggest.

You can see from the articles that I posted that even with a massive and sudden loss of cabin air, the weight is not a factor, nor is the thrust.

These planes weigh tens or hundred of thousands of pounds. The air inside simply does not have the mass to significantly overcome that inertia.

And if the decompression is explosive, as in those with whole sections of fuselage blown out, whatever thrust there is lasts for mere seconds.

If its Fromm a billet hole, it's minuscule.

Still, gunfire aboard a high flying, pressurized aircraft is not recommended unless absolutely necessary.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#147255 Jan 5, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Lie, RR, not lay.
Hey, early Saturday shift?
Oh ya, lie... My awful.

Yup, gotsta work one weekend a month.

Doth sucketh.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#147256 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Still, if you're talking about a bullet, or even a shotgun blast, through a fuselage, it will not cause the loss of control you suggest.
You can see from the articles that I posted that even with a massive and sudden loss of cabin air, the weight is not a factor, nor is the thrust.
These planes weigh tens or hundred of thousands of pounds. The air inside simply does not have the mass to significantly overcome that inertia.
And if the decompression is explosive, as in those with whole sections of fuselage blown out, whatever thrust there is lasts for mere seconds.
If its Fromm a billet hole, it's minuscule.
Still, gunfire aboard a high flying, pressurized aircraft is not recommended unless absolutely necessary.
Cool!

So rednecks can have their guns as carry ons.

“Ditat Deus”

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#147257 Jan 5, 2013
A priest, a rabbi and a vicar walk into a bar. The barman says,''Is this some kind of joke?''

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A sandwich walks into a bar. The barman says ''Sorry we don't serve food in here''

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Dyslexic man walks into a bra.....

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147258 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I included part of that point. ;) It's actually the real reason they don't let helicopters be flown without a ton of regulation, they don't want the airways to become as cluttered, and therefore accident prone, as our roadways.
Helicopters fly under pretty much the same regs as airplanes.

And they actually have much less restrictive requirements concerning where they can land.

You don't see more helicopters because they are much more expensive and extremely maintenance intensive.

They're also harder to fly. Kind of like rubbing you tummy while patting your head.

It's also said that helicopters don't fly. They're just so ugly, the earth repels them.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147259 Jan 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Cool!

So rednecks can have their guns as carry ons.
I'll leave that to the air Marshall's.

But you're welcome to try to get aboard with yours.

Mind if I take video?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#147260 Jan 5, 2013
Tacitus -

""Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in JudŠa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."

Note the descriptions --

"a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace"

"a most mischievous superstition"

"hatred against mankind"

Interesting that this is the shining example of a non-Christian reference to Christianity.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#147261 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Helicopters fly under pretty much the same regs as airplanes.
And they actually have much less restrictive requirements concerning where they can land.
You don't see more helicopters because they are much more expensive and extremely maintenance intensive.
They're also harder to fly. Kind of like rubbing you tummy while patting your head.
It's also said that helicopters don't fly. They're just so ugly, the earth repels them.
I was comparing them to cars, not planes.

But that joke was pretty good.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147262 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I was comparing them to cars, not planes.

But that joke was pretty good.
Gotcha.

And thanks.:)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#147263 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I'll leave that to the air Marshall's.
But you're welcome to try to get aboard with yours.
Mind if I take video?
LMAO!

I'll try...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147264 Jan 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You're less likely to get in an accident in a plane. However, I'd say it's probably a safe bet to state that you're more likely to live through a car crash than a plane crash.

More people die in automobile crashes than airplane crashes, yes. People also drive far more often than they fly.
Just to qualify that, you're safer in an airliner than in a car.

Light planes are about equivalent to motorcycles.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#147265 Jan 5, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
Tacitus -
""Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in JudŠa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."
Note the descriptions --
"a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace"
"a most mischievous superstition"
"hatred against mankind"
Interesting that this is the shining example of a non-Christian reference to Christianity.
Oh ya, shining....

Like the "fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures" part.

All y'alls is the same.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#147266 Jan 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh ya, shining....
Like the "fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures" part.
All y'alls is the same.
No, I think that's horrid. But I'm not the one who tries to use this as a reference for Christianity.

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