Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#146954 Jan 3, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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OK then.
One Aphrodite coming up.
Cool, thanks mate but don't tell my wife.

:)

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#146955 Jan 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Thank you.
Happy New Year to you, too.
Beef jerky time!
:) It is going to be a hot one here tomorrow, between 111 and 115 degrees, so Praying that the Fire Fighters come through unscathed. It is hot enough without needing all of their protective equipment, and we thank them for their unselfish efforts protecting other people's lives and property!!

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146956 Jan 3, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I bet he had trouble giving up his teddy bear, too.
Has he given it up already?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#146957 Jan 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Creationist trying to argue with the rules of logic.
Again, why resort to ad hom? Is it really your purpose to diverge from logic and substance? Why not explain why the idea expressed fails the test of logic when by attacking the writer instead of what is written, you imply that you cannot do the latter, further implying your own defeat? You can do better. You once did. Why not return to writing posts worth reading?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146958 Jan 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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ugh...
Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
See that?
"that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"
NOT ANYWHERE, huh?
Ahh yes you are of course correct, my mistake, the NT does mention it. However the Tanakh in which events were claimed to have happened and from which the OT is “selectively” copied DOES NOT.

So here we go again with the convenient time travel thing

Adam, Eve and the secret slippery serpent – what around 6000 years ago according to the goddidit brigade, the OT, the Qu’ran and of course the one that really counts, the original, the Tanakh. But is the great RR’s interpretation different we ask ourselves???

Then we have Revelation written when… less than 2000 years ago in the time of Domitian. Been here before, hindsight is great of a babble interpreter – yes?

Flick a switch, abracadabra - ohh look yet another hole in the OT magically fixed.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146959 Jan 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You moron.
Having people armed and wanting chldren dead are completely different things.
Are they? Are they?

Why are you so wilfully and stupidly ignorant?

Since when was it you choice to think for other people?

I assume you were unable to think for Adam Lanza and James Holmes.

But hey, it don’t matter because RR wants a gun

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146960 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Has he given it up already?
Good question.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#146961 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Are they? Are they?
Why are you so wilfully and stupidly ignorant?
Since when was it you choice to think for other people?
I assume you were unable to think for Adam Lanza and James Holmes.
But hey, it don’t matter because RR wants a gun
Yes, they are completely different things.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146962 Jan 3, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, they are completely different things.
So just like RR you too consider that everyone should and does think exactly as you do. Perhaps you have not noticed that our past disagreements disprove that childish notion.

Most people are fine, civilised and have no though of wanting to see children murdered. However, as recent events show, there are individuals who are sick in the head for one reason or another and you have no control over who that individual is or what they will do yet you consider it perfectly fine to arm then.

It seems to me that gun owners in the US (and elsewhere) are perfectly willing to accept those consequences and yet a considerable number would balk and object (often violently) to abortion.

Smacks to me of double standards.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#146963 Jan 3, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Again, why resort to ad hom? Is it really your purpose to diverge from logic and substance? Why not explain why the idea expressed fails the test of logic when by attacking the writer instead of what is written, you imply that you cannot do the latter, further implying your own defeat? You can do better. You once did. Why not return to writing posts worth reading?
People always expose who they are through their innate default settings.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#146964 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So just like RR you too consider that everyone should and does think exactly as you do. Perhaps you have not noticed that our past disagreements disprove that childish notion.
Most people are fine, civilised and have no though of wanting to see children murdered. However, as recent events show, there are individuals who are sick in the head for one reason or another and you have no control over who that individual is or what they will do yet you consider it perfectly fine to arm then.
It seems to me that gun owners in the US (and elsewhere) are perfectly willing to accept those consequences and yet a considerable number would balk and object (often violently) to abortion.
Smacks to me of double standards.
Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146965 Jan 3, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".
That is your choice but when it all goes titsup and some raving nutcase with the same attitude as you shoots “your” child dead think about it again

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#146966 Jan 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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What has Hurricane Katrina got to do with:-
England
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
And you wounder why we call you gun nuts forget the guns you are just nuts.
Apparently the more Christian someone is, the more adamant they are that they need their right to kill other people with their guns.

I wonder how many guns they think Jesus would own?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#146967 Jan 3, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".
If humanity was actually like that, we'd have died off before even having a chance. The other animals like to eat humans, when they are not outnumbered and organized.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#146968 Jan 3, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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I wonder how many guns they think Jesus would own?
The conservative christians do think that Jesus posse would have guns today. On the basis of the verse in Luke where Jesus instructs his disciples to buy a sword. Which is seen as the equivalent as a gun. So in the fundie mindset, Jesus is leading a militia of angry and armed dangerous people. Just like the tea party!

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#146969 Jan 3, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Apparently the more Christian someone is, the more adamant they are that they need their right to kill other people with their guns.
I wonder how many guns they think Jesus would own?
I would say that is historically correct , using the wars in which guns were used. Nearly all major empires were Christian.
But in opposition to these empires have been Muslim and Hindu as well as *Atheist Empires (If Russia/China is considered atheist)
But to be fair if it weren't Christians killing people with guns.
You would be in a Russian/Chinese Muslim or Hindu Empire.

So what is your point? Would you prefer a completely different world?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146970 Jan 3, 2013
Adam wrote:
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The conservative christians do think that Jesus posse would have guns today. On the basis of the verse in Luke where Jesus instructs his disciples to buy a sword. Which is seen as the equivalent as a gun. So in the fundie mindset, Jesus is leading a militia of angry and armed dangerous people. Just like the tea party!
The multiple strands of evidence that identify jesus as none other than Judas the Galilean, a terrorist captured and crucified for his crimes would indicate why he advocated arming his followers
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#146971 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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The multiple strands of evidence that identify jesus as none other than Judas the Galilean, a terrorist captured and crucified for his crimes would indicate why he advocated arming his followers
Sounds plausible.

I think the tendancy amongst theists is to pick and choose which bits of the gospels they like the best and then invent their own jesus to fit their own ideas. So you can have anglican clergy believing in a "gentle" jesus meek and mild. Compared to fundie types believing in an angry jesus turning over money changers tables, and arming his militia with swords. This is what I learned in my time as a christian you can find scriptures to support whatever you want to believe in that they present widely diverse and contradictory points of view.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146973 Jan 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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We can't help that you been dumb is your trademark
After a sentence like that, you have no right to call anyone dumb.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146974 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Really? Do you have a better one?
No, I'm just not foolish enough to blindly follow anything.

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