Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#146962 Jan 3, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, they are completely different things.
So just like RR you too consider that everyone should and does think exactly as you do. Perhaps you have not noticed that our past disagreements disprove that childish notion.

Most people are fine, civilised and have no though of wanting to see children murdered. However, as recent events show, there are individuals who are sick in the head for one reason or another and you have no control over who that individual is or what they will do yet you consider it perfectly fine to arm then.

It seems to me that gun owners in the US (and elsewhere) are perfectly willing to accept those consequences and yet a considerable number would balk and object (often violently) to abortion.

Smacks to me of double standards.

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#146963 Jan 3, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Again, why resort to ad hom? Is it really your purpose to diverge from logic and substance? Why not explain why the idea expressed fails the test of logic when by attacking the writer instead of what is written, you imply that you cannot do the latter, further implying your own defeat? You can do better. You once did. Why not return to writing posts worth reading?
People always expose who they are through their innate default settings.

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#146964 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So just like RR you too consider that everyone should and does think exactly as you do. Perhaps you have not noticed that our past disagreements disprove that childish notion.
Most people are fine, civilised and have no though of wanting to see children murdered. However, as recent events show, there are individuals who are sick in the head for one reason or another and you have no control over who that individual is or what they will do yet you consider it perfectly fine to arm then.
It seems to me that gun owners in the US (and elsewhere) are perfectly willing to accept those consequences and yet a considerable number would balk and object (often violently) to abortion.
Smacks to me of double standards.
Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146965 Jan 3, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".
That is your choice but when it all goes titsup and some raving nutcase with the same attitude as you shoots “your” child dead think about it again

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Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#146966 Jan 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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What has Hurricane Katrina got to do with:-
England
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
And you wounder why we call you gun nuts forget the guns you are just nuts.
Apparently the more Christian someone is, the more adamant they are that they need their right to kill other people with their guns.

I wonder how many guns they think Jesus would own?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#146967 Jan 3, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>Civilization and the rule of law as well as rational thought are an illusion. Let our tidy creation begin to erode (katrina and to a lesser extent Sandy) and the true nature of humanitity shows its face.That is not paranoia that it reality.Look around the globe and see humanity rearing its true nature. I see no reason to leave myself at a disadvantge by allowing government and well meaning but misguided people disarm me.
Survival= Barbarism when necessary.The first to fall? Those who consider themselves "civilized".
If humanity was actually like that, we'd have died off before even having a chance. The other animals like to eat humans, when they are not outnumbered and organized.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#146968 Jan 3, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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I wonder how many guns they think Jesus would own?
The conservative christians do think that Jesus posse would have guns today. On the basis of the verse in Luke where Jesus instructs his disciples to buy a sword. Which is seen as the equivalent as a gun. So in the fundie mindset, Jesus is leading a militia of angry and armed dangerous people. Just like the tea party!

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#146969 Jan 3, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Apparently the more Christian someone is, the more adamant they are that they need their right to kill other people with their guns.
I wonder how many guns they think Jesus would own?
I would say that is historically correct , using the wars in which guns were used. Nearly all major empires were Christian.
But in opposition to these empires have been Muslim and Hindu as well as *Atheist Empires (If Russia/China is considered atheist)
But to be fair if it weren't Christians killing people with guns.
You would be in a Russian/Chinese Muslim or Hindu Empire.

So what is your point? Would you prefer a completely different world?

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#146970 Jan 3, 2013
Adam wrote:
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The conservative christians do think that Jesus posse would have guns today. On the basis of the verse in Luke where Jesus instructs his disciples to buy a sword. Which is seen as the equivalent as a gun. So in the fundie mindset, Jesus is leading a militia of angry and armed dangerous people. Just like the tea party!
The multiple strands of evidence that identify jesus as none other than Judas the Galilean, a terrorist captured and crucified for his crimes would indicate why he advocated arming his followers
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#146971 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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The multiple strands of evidence that identify jesus as none other than Judas the Galilean, a terrorist captured and crucified for his crimes would indicate why he advocated arming his followers
Sounds plausible.

I think the tendancy amongst theists is to pick and choose which bits of the gospels they like the best and then invent their own jesus to fit their own ideas. So you can have anglican clergy believing in a "gentle" jesus meek and mild. Compared to fundie types believing in an angry jesus turning over money changers tables, and arming his militia with swords. This is what I learned in my time as a christian you can find scriptures to support whatever you want to believe in that they present widely diverse and contradictory points of view.

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#146973 Jan 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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We can't help that you been dumb is your trademark
After a sentence like that, you have no right to call anyone dumb.

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#146974 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Really? Do you have a better one?
No, I'm just not foolish enough to blindly follow anything.

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#146975 Jan 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Simple. I have awesomeness. You don't
Aerobatty wrote:
And a gun.
Several....

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#146976 Jan 3, 2013
wilderide wrote:
Why do you & IANS do that?

You want me to go to that page & find what you're thinking?

Do you realize there's 20 posts on every page?

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#146977 Jan 3, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
Then god doesn't know you will do X.
You're stupid.
Yes He does. God knows everything.

You're stupider.

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#146978 Jan 3, 2013
wilderide wrote:
So the current system doesn't work, yet you think ramping up a broken system up will fix the problem? So let's put alot more people in jail, and make sure every jail is run like Abu Ghraib. What could go wrong, right?
Who is going to pay for all the extra jails and associated overhead? You?
Extra jails? None needed.

Just take away all the fun stuff in prisons & jails.

Like TV, coffee, games, exercise equipment, drugs, pornos, etc.

Those criminals in prison deserve nothing but 3 meals & a cot.

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#146979 Jan 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't do it and whoever said I did is lying!
I've seen the video....

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#146980 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
You assume two things, that it was made and didn't come into existence through other means, and that there was a "who" involved.
Do you assume it wasn't made?

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#146981 Jan 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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After a sentence like that, you have no right to call anyone dumb.
I have to agree with that.

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#146982 Jan 3, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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Apparently you didn't look very carefully at the chart you provided the link to.
For the chart that lists "Percent of deaths in age groups", death by firearms was the 3rd highest percentage for those in the 5-14 year group, and the 2nd highest percentage for those in both the 15-24 and 25-34. It's *over 20%* in the 15-24 group, and passed only by motor vehicle accidents.
If you don't believe me, take another look.
I'll take another look.

Oh, wait. You didn't provide a link....

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