Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You don't know if it's a stretch, just admit that's your opinion.
Really, and what you posted wasn't? What makes your opinion on the matter more valid?

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Jan 2, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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Yeah, but you are also forgetting about the immense amount of time that these changes were supposed to occur over. Beyond that, if your argument is one of incredulity over how evolution works, then you must not believe in the existence of any matter, because how atoms work is even more far-fetched than how evolution produced sentient beings.
Gah! Atomic theory is insane. I can't figure any of it out myself. lol

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Jan 2, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I think it's a symbolic narrative.

A flood symbolizes uncontained water which has gone beyond the basic boundary between earth and water.

Floods symbolize the end of one cycle of time and the beginning of a new cycle of time. There is the dual symbolism of death and regenerative birth associated with the flood.
So every living thing that breathed and crawled upon the surface of the earth except for Noah et. al. was NOT killed in the flood?

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Jan 2, 2013
 
Perhaps Adam left out the part where he was eating all those mushrooms right before the met that snake?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. I don't see religion & science as conflicting.
There is much you don't see.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
Satan and God: who is the good guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
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#146852
Jan 2, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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Then why do you reject so much of it?
I don't. What are you talking about?

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Jan 2, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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Yeah, but you are also forgetting about the immense amount of time that these changes were supposed to occur over. Beyond that, if your argument is one of incredulity over how evolution works, then you must not believe in the existence of any matter, because how atoms work is even more far-fetched than how evolution produced sentient beings.
Agreed. Just as far fetched as evolution producing atoms.

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#146854
Jan 2, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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Free will can't exist if God already knows the future and fate, remember?
Ya right, like a song can't exist if you know the words.....

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Jan 2, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Our computers have that too. Again, "complex" is a relative term. We understand it, that was my point. We can understand a lot of complex things, it's sort of the only real difference between us and the other animals, it's our one gift to the animal kingdom, if we start to actually use it instead of just giving more animal like non-answers like "god dun it."
Well ya we understand it, that doesn't mean it isn't complex.

And no, there is no computer the size of a human brain that can do what it does.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya right, like a song can't exist if you know the words.....
A song is predetermined once established, so you actually provided evidence that demonstrates free will cannot exist if the actions are already known, because once it's known, it's predetermined, just like a song.

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Really, and what you posted wasn't? What makes your opinion on the matter more valid?
Simple. I have awesomeness. You don't

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Agreed. Just as far fetched as evolution producing atoms.
Evolution says nothing of atomic theory, and the theory of evolution does not expand into that field either.

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Aerobatty wrote:
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So every living thing that breathed and crawled upon the surface of the earth except for Noah et. al. was NOT killed in the flood?
If the story of Noah and the Flood is symbolic, then no. It's symbolic.

Let me be clear - I don't KNOW this, it's just what I believe...

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Aerobatty wrote:
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There is much you don't see.
Then you agree.

Good.

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Jan 2, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Desert nomads? No, no, no...
I will not accept the unfounded claim that all life on Earth came from one single-celled organism. That's the assumptive nature of ToE that doesn't wit quit right with me and many others.
There is obvious design in all aspects of life. The human brain is an exquisite example.
The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe. It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.
This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain.
In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans all without knowing they are doing so.
And you still haven't learned to use it.

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#146862
Jan 2, 2013
 
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>"Got to pass the bill to find out what is in it."
Now who said that?
That was the lovely and talented Nancy Pelosi!

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Jan 2, 2013
 
Richardfs wrote:
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When I was at Uni I ran into some Swedes. Curiosity got the better of and I had to ask them they where here (I mean here of all places). To which I got an answer that blew my socks off.
Apparently in Sweden if you can gain entrance to any university in the world and that uni is a leader some field or other, then the Swedish government will fully fund you.
The idea is that when you return to Sweden you bring back the best from around the world.
BTW Why were you out here, holiday?
That sounds like a very smart plan!

I was there on business and hope to return!

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#146864
Jan 2, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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...followed by...
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Well, so much for wishing the government out of your daily life then.
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Obviously in a civil society you must have laws which apply to everyone.
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True. But the sticky part is for society to determine what murder is. And that changes over time. Is abortion murder? Is euthanasia? If you kill someone in self-defense? Ect ect.
Yes, running, guiding, solidifying, or whatever you would like to call it, a society has got to be one of the toughest tasks to accomplish! In fact, I don't think any country has done a decent job, yet. Things work for a bit, but you cannot have much freedom or growth if society is locked in time.

Marijuana and gay marriage will be commonplace soon. Once states start to break away from the 'norm', the rest of the country soon follows.

Firearms and countries will be come a thing of the past, but that is a long way off.

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