Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#146715 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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..Genesis was written sometime around 6000 years ago (according to Hebrew scholars) and Revelation was written around the time of Flavius Domitian Caesar some 4000 years LATER
So as previously I will ask was it hindsight or were those later authors blessed with the skill of time travel?
This quote sums up nicely what I think of revelation...

"Religion is not provided to us by revelation, it doesn't come from the heavens, it doesn't come from the beyond, it doesn't come from the divine. It's man-made. And it shows. It shows very well - that religion is created, invented, imposed by a species half a chromosome away from the chimpanzee."

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#146716 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Neither am I. We're on the same page with that.
Donít seem that way, you appear to want anyone and everyone to be armed

Donít seem to matter to you whether they are murderers or not.

You canít have it one way for you and another for those you donít want.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146717 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Nothing in the OT has been disproven, nothing. You are mistaken.
Adam wrote:
Thats a funny joke.
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
um.....

Is that your idea of disproof?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146718 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Definition SERPENT - A large snake.

Your INTERPRETATION is simply your INTERPRETATION

There is no evidence, it is not written it is just what YOU believe deal with it
I bet he had trouble giving up his teddy bear, too.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146719 Jan 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yeah.
Ok.
*I* need to get a grip.
Sure.
You're learning!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#146720 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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England would disagree with you.
Just sayin.
I'm not talking about England. Interesting you'd point that out though, as it would seem to undermine your point about gun control.

“Ditat Deus”

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#146721 Jan 2, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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So, he didn't "transform" into a snake? How was he one, then? Does he have a snake-clone or something like that?
I don't know how Satan appeared as a snake.

Do you?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146722 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
However in the babble it DOES NOT say ANYWHERE that the serpent was satan Ė NOT ANYWHERE
ugh...

Revelation 12:9

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

See that?

"that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"

NOT ANYWHERE, huh?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146723 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Donít seem that way, you appear to want anyone and everyone to be armed
Donít seem to matter to you whether they are murderers or not.
You canít have it one way for you and another for those you donít want.
You moron.

Having people armed and wanting chldren dead are completely different things.

Since: Jun 07

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#146724 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Nothing in the OT has been disproven, nothing. You are mistaken.
<quoted text>
um.....
Is that your idea of disproof?
Fossils disprove the bible story, so does straight up logic and reason.

The fact is that you have no proof of god and are here to sell us your religion, while being immoral and untruthful about it.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146725 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Nothing in the OT has been disproven, nothing. You are mistaken.
It's official. He's crazy.

("Whereupon are the foundations [of the earth] thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;" - Job 38:6)

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#146726 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't know how Satan appeared as a snake.
Do you?
There's no such thing as satan or god. You can't invent creatures and make intelligent people fear them.

Since: Jun 07

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#146727 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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ugh...
Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
See that?
"that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"
NOT ANYWHERE, huh?
Words of a rambling idiot, palmed off a absolute truth without a shred of evidence.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146728 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't know how Satan appeared as a snake.
Do you?
No, because he didn't appear as a snake, because no one ever SAID he appeared as one.

Since: Jun 07

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#146729 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You moron.
Having people armed and wanting chldren dead are completely different things.
But one results in the other. Its a pity that creationists lack a function in their brain that allows them to add up facts.

Actually the fact part is missing altogether.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#146730 Jan 2, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I do believe that the federal government should not be in our daily lives
...followed by...
Morality is based on the society in which you live, so while I do not believe that it is the governments right or responsibility to dictate morality, it still has to make laws on morality.
Well, so much for wishing the government out of your daily life then.
Such as, Americans, in general, do not believe that we can kill our daughters for dishonoring the family. It seems that some nations are quite OK with this practice. What do we do? Do we make a law against murder or do we say that each individual has the right to their own morals.
Obviously in a civil society you must have laws which apply to everyone.
If you believe that honor killing is morally right, then you are pissed that the government is dictating your morality. But if you believe that murder is wrong, then you want to live in a society that punishes murders.
True. But the sticky part is for society to determine what murder is. And that changes over time. Is abortion murder? Is euthanasia? If you kill someone in self-defense? Ect ect.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146731 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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ugh...
Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
See that?
"that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"
NOT ANYWHERE, huh?
RR! We've been over this!

Jesus called the pharisees serpents! BECAUSE IT IS A KNOWN INSULT FROM THE TIME! You need to demonstrate that this verse is not using "serpent" as an insult - which you or any honest theologian has yet to do.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146732 Jan 2, 2013
Adam wrote:
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This quote sums up nicely what I think of revelation...
"Religion is not provided to us by revelation, it doesn't come from the heavens, it doesn't come from the beyond, it doesn't come from the divine. It's man-made. And it shows. It shows very well - that religion is created, invented, imposed by a species half a chromosome away from the chimpanzee."
You think because Hitchens said it, it must be true?

Go figure you'd quote a socialist pig like him.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146733 Jan 2, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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I'm not talking about England. Interesting you'd point that out though, as it would seem to undermine your point about gun control.
Why?

Even with a national gun ban (even for the police), England has a higher firearm crime rate per capita than the US....

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146734 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You're learning!
Too bad that you're not.

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