Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

There are 243394 comments on the Webbunny tumblelog story from Jul 18, 2009, titled Atheism requires as much faith as religion?. In it, Webbunny tumblelog reports that:

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#146247 Jan 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Maybe not, but I can and will establish the designed intent.
You can deny that, but that makes YOU the one not dealing with reality.
Again, TNT was not designed for killing. Should we be allowed to own TNT?

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#146248 Jan 1, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You are not making any sense. First, the right to own a firearm, is a right. There are very good reasons for that to be a right.
Driving a car is a privilege and it kills more people than firearms.
TNT was invented for the propose of removing rocks and tree stumps; to use your logic, it should be legal for everyone to have. The fact that some have used to to kill or break into vaults should have no bearing on it being legal to own or not.

Exactly .

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146249 Jan 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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It's obviously offensive, but my intent was just a friendly word of caution.
If you really want to get some attention, start going online and try to order some large quantities of fertilizer and kerosene.
LOL, I've said it numurous times that out of the thousands of rounds I've fired over the years, I've never shot at anyone.

I don't own guns to kill people no more than someone owning a Harley to go fast...

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146250 Jan 1, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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How many times have shots been fired and no one was killed?
By your logic, TNT should be open for purchase to anyone.
How can you tell me what my logic can decide when you and your nutjob friends don't even understand my logic?

No, TNT should not be open to purchase to anyone because TNT's intended use is not something that any average Joe is going to need to use it for.

Just like guns. You want to use guns for competition? Fine. But how about we ban it outside of that - where the only other perceivable use is as a weapon.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146251 Jan 1, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You are not making any sense. First, the right to own a firearm, is a right. There are very good reasons for that to be a right.
Driving a car is a privilege and it kills more people than firearms.
TNT was invented for the propose of removing rocks and tree stumps; to use your logic, it should be legal for everyone to have. The fact that some have used to to kill or break into vaults should have no bearing on it being legal to own or not.
Oh, and for 200 years, owning a firearm was not a right. The 2nd amendment is speaking about the military, not average people.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

People who say the 2nd amendment is "Right to bear arms" obviously have not read it.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#146252 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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How can you tell me what my logic can decide when you and your nutjob friends don't even understand my logic?
No, TNT should not be open to purchase to anyone because TNT's intended use is not something that any average Joe is going to need to use it for.
Just like guns. You want to use guns for competition? Fine. But how about we ban it outside of that - where the only other perceivable use is as a weapon.
So you would outlaw hunting?

In my state it is guaranteed an unalienable right.
Also one that cannot be superseded by the federal government.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146253 Jan 1, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Again, TNT was not designed for killing. Should we be allowed to own TNT?
Turner Network Television?

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146254 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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A gun is much more than just a weapon.
Sure, if used as a weapom, it's a very effective weapon.
But also, if used for sport, it's also very effective.
There are many uses for guns - not just "to kill people" as you gun cowards think.
It doesn't matter what some people use things for. I use my Bible to prop up a TV stand - does that mean the intended purpose for printing Bibles is that? No, it does not.

Guns are MADE to be used as weapons. If your argument boils down to, "Guns can be used for sports, too!" your logic is entirely flawed.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146255 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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How can you tell me what my logic can decide when you and your nutjob friends don't even understand my logic?
No, TNT should not be open to purchase to anyone because TNT's intended use is not something that any average Joe is going to need to use it for.
Just like guns. You want to use guns for competition? Fine. But how about we ban it outside of that - where the only other perceivable use is as a weapon.
"the only other perceivable use is as a weapon"?!

Guns are very effective against voilence, you know. Cops use their guns all the time without ever even firing....

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146256 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> So you would outlaw hunting?
In my state it is guaranteed an unalienable right.
Also one that cannot be superseded by the federal government.
No, I wouldn't. An ideal set of gun control laws, in my opinion, would be similar to those of Australia - where you can only obtain a gun if you have a good reason to own one and can prove that you have a good reason to own one.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#146257 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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Oh, and for 200 years, owning a firearm was not a right. The 2nd amendment is speaking about the military, not average people.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
People who say the 2nd amendment is "Right to bear arms" obviously have not read it.
You have no idea what it means, that much is clear.
It means people should form militias to protect their rights and country.
It also means people have the right to own firearms period.
It means these are sovereign god given unalienable rights.

"shall not be infringed"

But it doesn't mean laws can't be made to outlaw them.
That's where the true meaning of exactly what it means comes out.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146258 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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Oh, and for 200 years, owning a firearm was not a right. The 2nd amendment is speaking about the military, not average people.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
People who say the 2nd amendment is "Right to bear arms" obviously have not read it.
You're behind the times. We've already beaten back gun haters like you.

"In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions officially establishing this interpretation. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

en.wikipedia.org/.../Second_Amendment_to_the_...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146259 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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No, I wouldn't. An ideal set of gun control laws, in my opinion, would be similar to those of Australia - where you can only obtain a gun if you have a good reason to own one and can prove that you have a good reason to own one.
That's not the American way, douche.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146260 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"the only other perceivable use is as a weapon"?!
Guns are very effective against voilence, you know. Cops use their guns all the time without ever even firing....
Doesn't matter, they're still weapons.

weap·on
Noun
A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
A means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest: "resignation threats are a weapon in his armory".

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146261 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's not the American way, douche.
I don't care, and even if I did, you've yet to even define what this "American way" is.

America has a legal system which is set up to be able to change if necessary. This is why owning a slave is no longer legal. This is why you can no longer teach pseudo-science in public schools. Et cetera, et cetera.

Once again - so far, the only arguments I've heard you use that aren't ad hominem or downright foolish is "Guns can be used in sports," and "That's not the American way!"

How is that even an argument?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146262 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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It doesn't matter what some people use things for. I use my Bible to prop up a TV stand - does that mean the intended purpose for printing Bibles is that? No, it does not.
Guns are MADE to be used as weapons. If your argument boils down to, "Guns can be used for sports, too!" your logic is entirely flawed.
You say guns are intended to kill. Period.

The statement makes too broad of an assumption. It implies that this is the most important reason why guns exist in our society.

Guns can be used as tools to make sounds (like in a race), to shoot at paper for entertainment and to hunt.

You cannot make the broad statement that guns are designed to kill and maintain logical integrity.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146263 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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Doesn't matter, they're still weapons.
weap·on
Noun
A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
A means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest: "resignation threats are a weapon in his armory".
A gun isn't designed to "inflict bodily harm", though.

The purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile from zero velocity with respect to the gun to a certain velocity in a controllable vector.

A gun is a tool. How its used is not its definition.

One could argue that guns are intended to start a horse race.......

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#146264 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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No, I wouldn't. An ideal set of gun control laws, in my opinion, would be similar to those of Australia - where you can only obtain a gun if you have a good reason to own one and can prove that you have a good reason to own one.
Again it is tyranny for you to make that decision.
It is not up to others to make justification of a person's right
or reason for owning a gun.

"Shall not be infringed"

I'm for temporary banning of large capacity clips.

Where the problem is you are talking about people who are not intent on breaking the law who will be affected.
Those who do intend on breaking the law , nothing will stop them. Those are the ones who will find a way to do it despite gun laws.

The Brady bill did absolutely nothing to cure the problem.

The problem is with the people not the gun.
The only solution to counter the killing is to meet the killer on equal ground.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146265 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You say guns are intended to kill. Period.
The statement makes too broad of an assumption. It implies that this is the most important reason why guns exist in our society.
Guns can be used as tools to make sounds (like in a race), to shoot at paper for entertainment and to hunt.
You cannot make the broad statement that guns are designed to kill and maintain logical integrity.
When looking at the purpose of something, you do not look at the reason why people buy it, you look at how and why it is MADE.

Guns are made to be used as weapons.

By the logic you use, I should be allowed to buy grenades because I want to use them to go fishing.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146266 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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I don't care, and even if I did, you've yet to even define what this "American way" is.
America has a legal system which is set up to be able to change if necessary. This is why owning a slave is no longer legal. This is why you can no longer teach pseudo-science in public schools. Et cetera, et cetera.
Once again - so far, the only arguments I've heard you use that aren't ad hominem or downright foolish is "Guns can be used in sports," and "That's not the American way!"
How is that even an argument?
Are you American?

If so, it's pretty sad that you don't know what the American way is.

Guns are not designed to kill. Period.

It's my American right to own a gun and you can't stop it.

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