Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[WesTheDuck]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Thank you for your comment. The following was taken from Wiki:
Wiki:
Jefferson rejected the orthodox Christianity of his day and was especially hostile to the Catholic Church as he saw it operate in France.
Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, biblical study, and morality. As a landowner he played a role in governing his local Episcopal Church; in terms of belief he was inclined toward Deism and the moral philosophy of Christianity, though when he was home he attended the Episcopal church and raised his daughters in that faith.
In a private letter to Benjamin Rush, Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803): "To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence...

You missed the point of what he wrote in that letter. Jefferson liked many of Jesus' teachings and philosophy, but so do many secular/atheist/agnostic scholars. This does not make them Christians.

Also from Wikipedia:

Terminology such as "Nature's God" - which Jefferson used in the Declaration of Independence - are typical of Deism, although they were also used at the time by non-Deist thinkers, such as Francis Hutcheson. In addition, it was part of Roman thinking about natural law, and Jefferson was influenced by reading Cicero on this topic.[19][20]
Most deists denied the Christian concepts of miracles and the Trinity. Though he had a lifelong esteem for Jesus' moral teachings, Jefferson did not believe in miracles, nor in the divinity of Jesus. In a letter to deRieux in 1788, he declined a request to act as a godfather, saying he had been unable to accept the doctrine of the Trinity "from a very early part of my life".[14][21]
Jefferson was directly linked to deism in the writings of some of his contemporaries. Patrick Henry's widow wrote in 1799, "I wish the Grate Jefferson & all the Heroes of the Deistical party could have seen my... Husband pay his last debt to nature."[22][23]

[Aura Mytha]

Richardfs wrote:

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With all due respect, defenseless against what?

Any sort of intruder.

D'Artganan, we also protect each other.

[Eagle12]

wilderide wrote:

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Being a Christian puts you at a distinct disadvantage here, because you are being held by Jesus to emulate Him as much as you possibly can, whereas an atheist is being forced to follow such a template. Moreover, Paul said in Galatians 5:22-23 that the fruits of the Holy Spirit are "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control". If you believe in the Holy Spirit, shouldn't we see you exhibiting those traits most of the time? Maybe the Holy Spirit knows you not.

Infidels preaching the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Aint that a freaking tub full of Russian hot runny cowshitskys?

Cowboy if you are going to preach to me. You damn sure better be believing in Christ as God of all Gods and the creator of all life.

Since you took the liberty to use scripture that you don’t believe. Let me refer you to Acts 19:13-20 that I do believe.

King James Version (KJV)

13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

So I ask you a question,, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

In other words it’s saying,“Who in the f*ck are you?”

Did not Jesus get a bull whip and whip some ass one day?

Don’t preach to me Wildride.

[RiversideRedneck]

Richardfs wrote:

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No not at all you are making the claim:-
"The Flood happened."
with no proof. I on the other hand have shown:-
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Which you ignored.

I did not ignore, I replied to you on Friday.

Remember, I asked you to recalculate it for where it supposedly happened, Mt Aratat?

You ignored that.....

[RiversideRedneck]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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Up there I think they know how to moonshine and make meth labs too?
Just saying...,

Up where, Kentucky and the US?

[KittenKoder]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Really? That's your argument?
OK....
eological, archeological, and dendrochronology shows evidence of a world wide flood. This has been hashed out a million times, even the logistics just makes it possible. So where is your evidence?
That was easy.

My evidence is that you have none to support your assertion. Asserting something without evidence is lying. You are asserting it happened, I'm saying I see no evidence to suggest this, you don't present any, therefore you are lying. I'm just asking for evidence to support your assertion, so where is it?

Oh, and the turn about only works when you actually are on equal terms, we're not, you made the assertion, I did not, you cannot turn that about.

[RiversideRedneck]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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I should have used a ';' not a comma. But since you are not perfect, "if one if rom", I don't feel too bad.

That wouldn't change it at all.

"from the hills of Kentucky and the US; all you have if gods and guns"

Again - What is "Kentucky and the US"?????

Can you not answer a simple f_cking question?

[UIDIOTRACESMAKEW ORLDPEACE]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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ABC 'news' is a very liberal 'news' program, but there are all those points that I made. Also, we have Mexico, with it's problems with drug cartels that you don't have. There are too many differences to make a good comparison.
The three countries that I know of, off the top of my head, that have strict gun laws, are island nations.
For what it is worth, I have entertained several Aussies and Japanese, here in the States and everyone of them has enjoyed the gun range with me. Some who had their children with them, allowed me to teach them gun safety and allowed them to shoot.
Now, just as a sport, the guns are not worth so many innocent lives, but as a right, I am not willing to give that up. There are great reasons behind us having this right and it should not be given up. There are ways of dealing with the issue and forcing law abiding citizens to become defenseless is not one of them.

you forgot those corrupted US intel is also in the Drug-for-profitering business and this ties in with US small arms manufacturers who provide incentive to keep business and American Drug addicts that keep world illegal drug business going!

[KittenKoder]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Infidels preaching the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Aint that a freaking tub full of Russian hot runny cowshitskys?
Cowboy if you are going to preach to me. You damn sure better be believing in Christ as God of all Gods and the creator of all life.
Since you took the liberty to use scripture that you don’t believe. Let me refer you to Acts 19:13-20 that I do believe.
King James Version (KJV)
13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
So I ask you a question,, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
In other words it’s saying,“Who in the f*ck are you?”
<1> Did not Jesus get a bull whip and whip some ass one day?
Don’t preach to me Wildride.

1. So far, no. Unless you have something to present that's actually evidence to demonstrate the following:

The specific person named Jesus was actually the one spoken of.

The specific person actually went through what the book states.

[Catcher1]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Cowboy if you are going to preach to me.

That's not a sentence.

[RiversideRedneck]

Richardfs wrote:

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With all due respect, defenseless against what?

Dumb question....

Oh, maybe a home invasion robber armed with a bat.

Or a jihadist terrorist armed with a friggin box cutter. It sure would've been nice if someone could've shoved a shotgun in their murderous faces!

Just for starters..........

[TheBlackSheep]

Richardfs wrote:

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With all due respect, defenseless against what?

You name it. The our government, another governments, thugs. Our Forefathers seen what governments can do to their people and they did not want to see that happen here.

[RiversideRedneck]

KittenKoder wrote:

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My evidence is that you have none to support your assertion. Asserting something without evidence is lying. You are asserting it happened, I'm saying I see no evidence to suggest this, you don't present any, therefore you are lying. I'm just asking for evidence to support your assertion, so where is it?
Oh, and the turn about only works when you actually are on equal terms, we're not, you made the assertion, I did not, you cannot turn that about.

There, you did it again - pretending that your word is evidence. It don't work that way, Koder.

See watch, I can do it too: My evidence is that you have none to support your assertion. Asserting something without evidence is lying.

Koder says the Great Flood didn't happen, that's fact.

Redneck says the Great Flood did happen, he's lying.

WTF?!?

[TheBlackSheep]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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That wouldn't change it at all.
"from the hills of Kentucky and the US; all you have if gods and guns"
Again - What is "Kentucky and the US"?????
Can you not answer a simple f_cking question?

LOL! Everyone else figured out exactly what I meant, why are you having such a problem?

[Richardfs]

"The New York Times has referred to Australia's gun laws as a "road map" for the US, saying that "in the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings - but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect."

It does not matter who reported what, the facts are simple:-

"in the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings - but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect."

The same thing was reported in the OZ press.

[TheBlackSheep]

UIDIOTRACESMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:

<quoted text>you forgot those corrupted US intel is also in the Drug-for-profitering business and this ties in with US small arms manufacturers who provide incentive to keep business and American Drug addicts that keep world illegal drug business going!

Just because I did not write down every reason, does not mean that I forgot anything.

People who break the law are not going to give up their guns, right? So, by taking guns away, you are mostly only helping the criminal.

[Eagle12]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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Gun rights advocates really don't need your help! You can go back to lying and insulting for jesus.

Gun rights activist have screwed themselves over and all the rest of us legal gun owners because of their stubbornness. It’s all because they didn’t want to give one inch. Well now they are going to lose 10 miles.

[Aura Mytha]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Up where, Kentucky and the US?

Absolutely

[UIDIOTRACESMAKEW ORLDPEACE]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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Just because I did not write down every reason, does not mean that I forgot anything.
People who break the law are not going to give up their guns, right? So, by taking guns away, you are mostly only helping the criminal.

Sure as those in dirty business don't want want to mention as most work for those US evils, the US gestapo, US war-for-profiters, US arms/weapons manufacturers. drugs-for-[profitering... profiting from nisery of humanity!

[UIDIOTRACESMAKEW ORLDPEACE]

misery not nisery!