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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#146220 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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No, he is describing "intended uses." Big difference. Guns aren't made for shooting ranges, they're made for killing/hurting animals and people.
You don't get to establish a preliminary intent of a potential gun buyer. You have no idea what that intent is.
Unless they tell you. That's where you liberals are a rotten steamy pile, the intent could be to use it for plinking.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#146221 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
Americans too

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146222 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Those were like every invention Aero taken and contracted into something that kills other people.
Olympics target shooting is not practice to kill people.
Neither is USPSA competition. If you invented the power source
like in the Dark Knight rises , someone would turn it into something that kills people. People somehow feel the need to kill other people , that's why it happens.
Take away all the guns and people will use clubs to kill each other. I'm actually not bothered by a non permanent assault weapons high capacity clip ban. The rest of the bill sucks crap
because that's just a prelim to confiscation. It also tacks a 200 fee to owners to register a grandfathered gun. Do you seriously think that's fair to the gun owners across the nation?
Especially collectors who have dozens to hundreds of them.
From my reading, the original hand cannons were invented in China.

Do you really think they were invented for target shooting?

I know people shoot competitively now. And I know it can be fun. I enjoy target shooting. I also enjoy darts (I played very competitively. Even beat a couple of Englishmen) and bow and arrow.

But those are all alternate uses for what are weapons of death. To deny that is just being evasive.

The primary purpose of any firearm, with the possible exception of small caliber, high precision firearms specifically designed for competition (Which, I will add, can STILL be used to kill) is to kill. High capacity assault weapons are DESIGNED specifically to kill humans. As many humans in as little time as possible with the capacity to reload quickly enough to thwart any attempts to disarm or gain advantage on the shooter.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

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#146223 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
RepubliCans?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146224 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
I know you're just joking.

At least I hope you are.

But I'd think twice about joking like that on a public forum.

Seriously.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146225 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
And now that I think about it, I'll bet that's the kind of humor that goes around NRA meetings and gun clubs.

And I'll bet that sometimes it's not said in jest.

That's why I question the mentality of people who feel the need to own assault weapons.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#146226 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You don't get to establish a preliminary intent of a potential gun buyer. You have no idea what that intent is.
Unless they tell you. That's where you liberals are a rotten steamy pile, the intent could be to use it for plinking.
Let's take a look at the widely used meaning of the word gun:

gun
n.
A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.

A weapon, you say? Let's see what that means!

weap·on
Noun
A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

How can you argue that a gun's intended purpose is "plinking" when the definition of the word itself contradicts this? I don't care what any buyer's intent of using a gun is, the reason that there are guns is so they can be used as weapons.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#146227 Jan 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
From my reading, the original hand cannons were invented in China.
Do you really think they were invented for target shooting?
I know people shoot competitively now. And I know it can be fun. I enjoy target shooting. I also enjoy darts (I played very competitively. Even beat a couple of Englishmen) and bow and arrow.
But those are all alternate uses for what are weapons of death. To deny that is just being evasive.
The primary purpose of any firearm, with the possible exception of small caliber, high precision firearms specifically designed for competition (Which, I will add, can STILL be used to kill) is to kill. High capacity assault weapons are DESIGNED specifically to kill humans. As many humans in as little time as possible with the capacity to reload quickly enough to thwart any attempts to disarm or gain advantage on the shooter.
Again you are talking a intended use, not intended design criteria.
I agree an assault weapon is manufactured as a weapon of war.
But you cannot assign an intended use for a potential civilian gun buyer.
You do not get to decide for them their reason , that's being disingenuous and fallacious.

The fact is a car could be bought to kill people , it is quite capable of mowing down lots of people. But then again maybe they are buying the car to have fun using it legally.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#146228 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's take a look at the widely used meaning of the word gun:
gun
n.
A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
A weapon, you say? Let's see what that means!
weap·on
Noun
A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
How can you argue that a gun's intended purpose is "plinking" when the definition of the word itself contradicts this? I don't care what any buyer's intent of using a gun is, the reason that there are guns is so they can be used as weapons.

A gun is only a *potential weapon.
So are cars, airplanes , knives, and baseball bats .
You are looking at a man from a christian country and swearing him a christian. He is in fact only potentially a christian.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#146229 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
A gun is only a *potential weapon.
So are cars, airplanes , knives, and baseball bats .
You are looking at a man from a christian country and swearing him a christian. He is in fact only potentially a christian.
The difference between cars, knives, baseball bats, etc., and guns is that GUNS ARE MADE TO BE USED AS WEAPONS. Cars are made for transportation. Guns are made to be used as weapons. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else might use them for sports, by definition, their intended use is as a weapon.

Should we ban everything thing that CAN be used as a weapon? No. Should we ban things that are made to be used as weapons to kill or maim? Yes, we should.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146230 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are talking a intended use, not intended design criteria.
I agree an assault weapon is manufactured as a weapon of war.
But you cannot assign an intended use for a potential civilian gun buyer.
You do not get to decide for them their reason , that's being disingenuous and fallacious.
The fact is a car could be bought to kill people , it is quite capable of mowing down lots of people. But then again maybe they are buying the car to have fun using it legally.
I beet you're good at dodging bullets, too.

You just can't admit that the primary and designed purpose of an assault weapon, no matter what it will actually be used for, is to kill people, can you?

If you want to consider your car analogy valid, then practically anything can be used, not for its designed purpose, but to kill people.

Your arguments are alarmingly weak.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#146231 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference between cars, knives, baseball bats, etc., and guns is that GUNS ARE MADE TO BE USED AS WEAPONS. Cars are made for transportation. Guns are made to be used as weapons. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else might use them for sports, by definition, their intended use is as a weapon.
Should we ban everything thing that CAN be used as a weapon? No. Should we ban things that are made to be used as weapons to kill or maim? Yes, we should.
That is only true with certain types and even then is an intent you do not get to establish. You can say it till you turn blue it wont change the fact a gun is only potentially a weapon.
If it is used for hunting it is not a weapon , it's a tool.

If you assign a gun a singular intended use then cars are weapons airplanes are weapons baseball bats are weapons and knives are weapons.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#146232 Jan 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I beet you're good at dodging bullets, too.
You just can't admit that the primary and designed purpose of an assault weapon, no matter what it will actually be used for, is to kill people, can you?
If you want to consider your car analogy valid, then practically anything can be used, not for its designed purpose, but to kill people.
Your arguments are alarmingly weak.
I said assault rifles are manufactured as weapons of war, but a civilian version is manufactured as any other gun and it's intended use can't be assigned
by anyone but the buyer.
War = killing other people yes.

My position is reality Aero , and you or any other cannot establish intent before the fact.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#146233 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That is only true with certain types and even then is an intent you do not get to establish. You can say it till you turn blue it wont change the fact a gun is only potentially a weapon.
If it is used for hunting it is not a weapon , it's a tool.
If you assign a gun a singular intended use then cars are weapons airplanes are weapons baseball bats are weapons and knives are weapons.
Guns are DEFINED as weapons. I don't care what you say, until you can somehow manage to get every credible definition to change this definition, they are weapons.

Cars/airplanes are defined as tools for transportation.

A baseball bat is an instrument to play a sport with.

Knives are tools commonly used to aid cooking, etc.

And guns are weapons.

Or does the meaning of words no longer matter?

Oh, and would you kindly list some guns that aren't weapons, if that only applies to certain kinds? Which kind of gun isn't designed to be used as a weapon?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146234 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
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Cute. Let's joke about killing foreigners now.
Foreigners?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146235 Jan 1, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Americans too
lol, there's the double pointers!

MexiCan AmeriCans

AfriCan AmeriCan

- my fav -

Can-adian AmeriCan

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146236 Jan 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you're just joking.
At least I hope you are.
But I'd think twice about joking like that on a public forum.
Seriously.
Oh gimme a break, of course I'm kidding.

What, did I offend your soft lil liberal tushie?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146237 Jan 1, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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RepubliCans?
D'oH!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146239 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's take a look at the widely used meaning of the word gun:
gun
n.
A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
A weapon, you say? Let's see what that means!
weap·on
Noun
A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
How can you argue that a gun's intended purpose is "plinking" when the definition of the word itself contradicts this? I don't care what any buyer's intent of using a gun is, the reason that there are guns is so they can be used as weapons.
A gun is much more than just a weapon.

Sure, if used as a weapom, it's a very effective weapon.

But also, if used for sport, it's also very effective.

There are many uses for guns - not just "to kill people" as you gun cowards think.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146240 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
Guns are DEFINED as weapons. I don't care what you say, until you can somehow manage to get every credible definition to change this definition, they are weapons.
That depends on what it's used for.
Cars/airplanes are defined as tools for transportation.
Unless they're used as a weapon.
A baseball bat is an instrument to play a sport with.
Unless it's used as a weapon.
Knives are tools commonly used to aid cooking, etc.
Not much experience with knives, huh?
And guns are weapons.
Depending on how they're used.
Or does the meaning of words no longer matter?
Of course they do, look up "weapon" & "tool", you'll see that "gun" applies to both.
Oh, and would you kindly list some guns that aren't weapons,
My biceps.
if that only applies to certain kinds? Which kind of gun isn't designed to be used as a weapon?
All civilian guns. There's a lot of them, I don't want to list them all.

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