Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#145809 Dec 30, 2012
Serah wrote:
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LOL....carrying on from before!!
***Your responsibility? Did you know that? They can give you as many as they feel like it in a packet, but are limited per item. Add up your chemical intake, if you have the time to be bothered, and look up the chemicals ingredients... a lot of them are charming little bits and pieces that you can't even see, causing all sorts of nasty health issues.
Yeah, they will eventually remove them all, people have worked it out, and are demanding 'natural' foods.... but it is a money scenario, and where the heck would all the people who make drugs, additives and chemicals work? Ahhh, the Health Industry!! A big Topic, not right for this forum, but they make you sick and then tell you they can't afford to fix you, so you need private health; and then of course, that pays for all of those workers.
In country towns where they live naturally, and according to the statistics of today, people are living healthier and longer lives. And they are useful members of their communities, and respected.
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One day in 1976, Moraitis felt short of breath. Climbing stairs was a chore; he had to quit working midday. After X-rays, his doctor concluded that Moraitis had lung cancer. As he recalls, nine other doctors confirmed the diagnosis. They gave him nine months to live. He was in his mid-60s.
Moraitis considered staying in America and seeking aggressive cancer treatment at a local hospital. That way, he could also be close to his adult children. But he decided instead to return to Ikaria, where he could be buried with his ancestors in a cemetery shaded by oak trees that overlooked the Aegean Sea. He figured a funeral in the United States would cost thousands, a traditional Ikarian one only $200, leaving more of his retirement savings for his wife, Elpiniki. Moraitis and Elpiniki moved in with his elderly parents, into a tiny, whitewashed house on two acres of stepped vineyards near Evdilos, on the north side of Ikaria. At first, he spent his days in bed, as his mother and wife tended to him. He reconnected with his faith. On Sunday mornings, he hobbled up the hill to a tiny Greek Orthodox chapel where his grandfather once served as a priest. When his childhood friends discovered that he had moved back, they started showing up every afternoon. They’d talk for hours, an activity that invariably involved a bottle or two of locally produced wine. I might as well die happy, he thought.
In the ensuing months, something strange happened. He says he started to feel stronger. One day, feeling ambitious, he planted some vegetables in the garden. He didn’t expect to live to harvest them, but he enjoyed being in the sunshine, breathing the ocean air. Elpiniki could enjoy the fresh vegetables after he was gone.
Six months came and went. Moraitis didn’t die. Instead, he reaped his garden and, feeling emboldened, cleaned up the family vineyard as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/th... ***
Cancer can spontaneously enter remission. William Boyd, a pathologist, documented a large number of such instances in a book he published in 1961. He estimated that approx one in every 100,000 cases of cancer will show spontaneous remission. It had nothing to do with religion.

Unfortunately for you - picking and choosing single instances (which actually have an explanation) and trying to use them as evidence.. well... isn't really evidence.

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#145810 Dec 30, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Not very funny, but this one is:
A devout Christian is hit by a truck and is killed instantly, he see's the tunnel with the white light at the end and begins walking, closer and closer he gets, his excitement grows, just the thought of seeing God brings him to tears. He approaches the light, and soon he see's an image begin to take shape. The brightness of the light has blurred his vision, but soon he is standing before the image, as his sight returns he see's.......he see's........Gasp, and a cry escapes from deep inside, and he moans, "Holy shit, how could I have been so wrong." For before him stand SHIVA!!!!!!
Now thats funny. Of the thousands of Gods this dope picked the wrong one. Don't let that happen to you numbnuts, remember they can't ALL be the "right God." LOL
There was a family that lived across the road from me many years ago, and they were a bit slow and a bit rough, so to speak, and weren't too keen on education followed by work. Wagging school and unemployment is not to be scoffed at, not all fit into society, so while I am not judging the family for not having the required intelligence or requirement for further education, I can see the reasons for being 'on the outside'..

The youngest girl, probably in her late 20's now, called herself numbnuts and that is the first thing I thought of when reading your posting...

We each have our own calling, and most don't doubt that, but most of us do follow intently the path of our calling. JESUS Himself has told us that HE will bring others into HIS Flock, as they too will Hear HIS Voice,(in different words of course, but in Scripture), so perhaps, when we seek our Light, something draws us into a different course, but I have no doubts that I will be drawn in the right direction ~ I AM being drawn that way now and have been for as long as I can recall :)

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#145811 Dec 30, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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That's all cool. Now explain diamonds to me.
Read a Wilbur Smith Novel.... greed and the need for money and power but I guess in reality the same can be said about oil; The Diamond Hunters, I read quite a few of his novels in my 20's, and was probably horrified at what man(kind) could, did and does do to others. Blood Diamond was also a good movie, "Blood Diamond is a 2006 American political war thriller film co-produced and directed by Edward Zwick, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Jennifer Connelly and Djimon Hounsou.[3] The title refers to blood diamonds, which are diamonds mined in African war zones and sold to finance conflicts, and thereby profit warlords and diamond companies across the world.

Set during the Sierra Leone Civil War in 1996–2001, the film shows a country torn apart by the struggle between government soldiers and rebel forces.[4] It also portrays many of the atrocities of that war, including the rebels' amputation of people's hands to discourage them from voting in upcoming elections.

The film's ending, in which a conference is held concerning blood diamonds, is in reference to an actual meeting that took place in Kimberley, South Africa in 2000 and led to the Kimberley Process Certification Scheme, which seeks to certify the origin of rough diamonds in order to curb the trade in conflict diamonds. The film received mixed but generally favorable reviews."

One would have to wonder at the uses of diamonds, and other gems and crystals, but then when one looks at a dessert rose, one can think there is only beauty to behold. Perhaps too, the same can be said of diamonds, but the dessert rose is perhaps fragile, and one of those beautiful things in life that are for no other purpose, than to be beautiful?

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#145812 Dec 30, 2012
WesTheDuck wrote:
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Spontaneous remission is rare, but not impossible. William Boyd, a pathologist, documented a large number of such instances in a book he published in 1961. He estimated that approx one in every 100,000 cases of cancer will show spontaneous remission. It has nothing to do with religion, either - just a bit of chance.
Now, I wonder how many people have prayed to be cured of cancer only to be denied their prayers... Probably too many to count.
You missed my point ~ he went home and lived naturally; with his parents, when he was in his 60's..... longevity is found where science isn't, was my point!!

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#145813 Dec 30, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>There was a family that lived across the road from me many years ago, and they were a bit slow and a bit rough, so to speak, and weren't too keen on education followed by work. Wagging school and unemployment is not to be scoffed at, not all fit into society, so while I am not judging the family for not having the required intelligence or requirement for further education, I can see the reasons for being 'on the outside'..
The youngest girl, probably in her late 20's now, called herself numbnuts and that is the first thing I thought of when reading your posting...
We each have our own calling, and most don't doubt that, but most of us do follow intently the path of our calling. JESUS Himself has told us that HE will bring others into HIS Flock, as they too will Hear HIS Voice,(in different words of course, but in Scripture), so perhaps, when we seek our Light, something draws us into a different course, but I have no doubts that I will be drawn in the right direction ~ I AM being drawn that way now and have been for as long as I can recall :)
We can all change.

I saw a bright light once.

http://members.iglou.com/perkins/newkpf/2002_...

When I got to the end it was dark.

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#145814 Dec 30, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Read a Wilbur Smith Novel.... greed and the need for money and power but I guess in reality the same can be said about oil; The Diamond Hunters, I read quite a few of his novels in my 20's, and was probably horrified at what man(kind) could, did and does do to others. Blood Diamond was also a good movie, "Blood Diamond is a 2006 American political war thriller film co-produced and directed by Edward Zwick, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Jennifer Connelly and Djimon Hounsou.[3] The title refers to blood diamonds, which are diamonds mined in African war zones and sold to finance conflicts, and thereby profit warlords and diamond companies across the world.
Set during the Sierra Leone Civil War in 1996–2001, the film shows a country torn apart by the struggle between government soldiers and rebel forces.[4] It also portrays many of the atrocities of that war, including the rebels' amputation of people's hands to discourage them from voting in upcoming elections.
The film's ending, in which a conference is held concerning blood diamonds, is in reference to an actual meeting that took place in Kimberley, South Africa in 2000 and led to the Kimberley Process Certification Scheme, which seeks to certify the origin of rough diamonds in order to curb the trade in conflict diamonds. The film received mixed but generally favorable reviews."
One would have to wonder at the uses of diamonds, and other gems and crystals, but then when one looks at a dessert rose, one can think there is only beauty to behold. Perhaps too, the same can be said of diamonds, but the dessert rose is perhaps fragile, and one of those beautiful things in life that are for no other purpose, than to be beautiful?
Things are what they are. What one finds beautiful, others find abhorrent.

I is what I is, for better and worse.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

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#145815 Dec 30, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I think I have straighten it out.
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I know the type.
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Simply put, god sent himself to be killed so that he could forgive. Did god/jesus die? No, a god cannot die. What did god/jesus sacrifice? Nothing. If he cannot die, then he gave up nothing.
If Bill Gates says, "Hey BlackSheep, you sacrifice $100,000 to this charity and I will give you the $100,000 back." Did I make a sacrifice? Even if Bill waits three days to give me the money? No.
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I am just trying to get you to think about your god's demands.
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Read Deuteronomy 13:13-19, Deuteronomy 13:7-12, Leviticus 24:10-16, Deuteronomy 13:1-5 and Deuteronomy 18:20-22, to name a few.
Then read Matthew 5:17-19 Note: Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Most every christian makes the very same claim, yet how many christian sects are there? How did you pick the correct sect and so many others failed?
Answer. Over 40,000. It picked me, I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, and speak in tongues...... My father is an Agnostic/, and my mother is Pentecostal.

Why do you trust that you picked the right one?
Answer. Because Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with God, which is individual and personal. I have seen miracles done, in the name of Jesus. People falling to the floor with one touch of the hand. Healings for family members... Numerous speaking in tongues, which is not new to me. I saw all this as a child, and on into my adulthood. My Grandmother would speak in tongues every time she prayed. She was the most amazing woman I ever had the pleasure to know... None of this is delusional, I assure you... I don't even drink, and it has nothing to do with being a Christian, I just don't like the taste... Lol. If it's not the right one, then I'm at least in the top 10... It's very Powerful... Maybe you can join, you can be one of my prayer warriors. I don't like to quote the Bible too often, because it can be refuted. His resurrection etc.... My faith is based on.... See above again... I could go on and on about the 'Amazing' things God has done for me.... Not sure your ready for that...
Okay, go ahead and do what the Atheist always do.... I can take it... Hugs, Nevaeh.:)

I have no need to be speak privately to anonymous people, but thanks for the offer.
Your welcome anytime... Offer always stand...

BS... Just know, you will only get so many chances to hear the truth... Someone is praying for you somewhere, because no one crosses my path by accident...:)

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#145816 Dec 30, 2012
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Most every christian makes the very same claim, yet how many christian sects are there? How did you pick the correct sect and so many others failed?
Answer. Over 40,000. It picked me, I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, and speak in tongues...... My father is an Agnostic/, and my mother is Pentecostal.
Why do you trust that you picked the right one?
Answer. Because Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with God, which is individual and personal. I have seen miracles done, in the name of Jesus. People falling to the floor with one touch of the hand. Healings for family members... Numerous speaking in tongues, which is not new to me. I saw all this as a child, and on into my adulthood. My Grandmother would speak in tongues every time she prayed. She was the most amazing woman I ever had the pleasure to know... None of this is delusional, I assure you... I don't even drink, and it has nothing to do with being a Christian, I just don't like the taste... Lol. If it's not the right one, then I'm at least in the top 10... It's very Powerful... Maybe you can join, you can be one of my prayer warriors. I don't like to quote the Bible too often, because it can be refuted. His resurrection etc.... My faith is based on.... See above again... I could go on and on about the 'Amazing' things God has done for me.... Not sure your ready for that...
Okay, go ahead and do what the Atheist always do.... I can take it... Hugs, Nevaeh.:)
I have no need to be speak privately to anonymous people, but thanks for the offer.
Your welcome anytime... Offer always stand...
BS... Just know, you will only get so many chances to hear the truth... Someone is praying for you somewhere, because no one crosses my path by accident...:)
I can speak 5 languages fluently and many others haltingly. Speaking in tongues is natural to me.

I find your faith interesting. My parents have faith in supernatural things but I don't. I don't think I ever will.

Understand this: You will get so many chances to hear the truth. It doesn't go away.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145817 Dec 30, 2012
BoThSiDeSoFsToRy wrote:
<quoted text>*** HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN MIRACLES SIR??**** Mere coincedences?? My husband had a 6 pound tumor pushing his lungs back, they said he would die in a matter of months. He was revived and is now in remission. He is lucky to be alive. This is a coincedence that it just went away right? Dont think so. By heavy prayer and faith, he kept going. God is real and those who choose to deny him will also be denied. I do not like to be called ignorant and gullible. I believe what I see and what I experience. Its also a coincedence that we moved and I quit my job not knowing if i could find another one. Well what do you know, I got a call from an application I put in months ago, that I forgot about and was hired the same day I moved. Good luck or GOD? Luck is a myth, I dont believe in. When you feel God one day you will understand.
And what do you say to all those people who believe as you do, but their rumors don't go away or they don't find that job?

Pray harder?

Jesus likes you better?

Wrong Jesus?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145818 Dec 30, 2012
BoThSiDeSoFsToRy wrote:
<quoted text>YOUR GOD??? How about everyones God? So we are here for no reason now right? No purpose, everything created itself huh? that is pure ignorance to believe that we are nothing. God is a forgiving God. Jesus died for your sins, he loves you. He died so we can live and be forgiven your right about that. But also, your wrong that God took him just so he could forgive us. The people persucuted him, his own people. Love each other like I love you, thats what we are here for is to love each other, show each other, teach each other and to live. And to your question, yes I do understand sacrifice, do you? Apparently not. You sound really selfish not to understand sacrifice. Your own mother sacrifices her life for her children. The government sacrifices spending time with their family to work. Lives have been saved by sacrifices of few good men. Sacrificing that candy bar at the store to save up for your childs christmas? You must think you are immoral if you do not understand this? think before you call anyone ignorant, look in the mirror. Life is about love, sacrifice, forgiveness. If not what is it for? Material stuff, sex, power, NOOOO!!!!
Nobody died for MY sins.

Sin is your thing.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145819 Dec 30, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>The experiment started with DNA from a living organism.

The claim of creating life is a lie.

Atheists love it, and quote it often, being too stupid or too dishonest to admit it's a lie.
So according to you we're no closer to understanding the origin of life.

You've got one huge anchor tied around your neck.

I wouldn't go swimming if I were you.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145820 Dec 30, 2012
BoThSiDeSoFsToRy wrote:
<quoted text>And, totally off subject, Jesus still has more records on Earth than Obama with his fake birth certificate (that has no US Seal), no record of schools, only a couple pictures. But everyone is doing just fine worshipping him and idoling him. THOU SHALT NOT WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS!!! This is true, just wait for it.Oh, but i shouldnt talk about this subject right, too controversial right? Too sensitive. Everyone needs to stop abandoning the true Lord, and being manipulated by the society and the world leaders, and come back to him before it is too late. Every beginning has an ending. That means that Earth wont last forever, we have to go somewhere. We are not here for nothing, thats like saying we are nothing. To call yourself nothing is ridiculous.
A birther.

No. You're not being manipulated much.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145821 Dec 30, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>Mountains are often covered by snow because of the temperatures at higher elevations donÂ’t allow much thawing. I would say that counts as being covered wouldnÂ’t you?

Snow is made up of H20, same as water, correct?

Are you claiming a high hill is the same elevation as Mt. Everest?

Now Atheist are claiming a hill is a mountain?

Please explain.
You're stretching, and you know it.

That's good.

I think some reason is starting to penetrate that thick skull of yours.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145822 Dec 30, 2012
turkey wrote:
<quoted text>What happens if you drop a rock and hiding off the side of a 20 story building? Answer, who cares
You must be Christian.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145823 Dec 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, "don't allow much thawing" s a massive understatement. They are covered in snow because at that elevation the temperatures are so low everything freezes. Most mountains are above the vapor elevation for our atmosphere, not to mention it's almost impossible to breathe at that altitude ... well, unless you're a Sherpa, but that's evolution for you. Imagine if a wooden boat actually reached that altitude, it wouldn't be a boat after about an hour and everything would have suffocated.
Good point.

It never occurred to me that a boat at 29,000 feet would ice over and probably capsize, not to mention the rare atmosphere at that altitude.

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#145824 Dec 30, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Nobody died for MY sins.
Sin is your thing.
Take responsibility for your own actions.
When they pray for my sins it just encourages me to do more of it. Yesterday, I coveted my elderly neighbors's snow. I stole all of it from her driveway. I'm a bad girl.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#145825 Dec 30, 2012
Brilliant!

Topix should upgrade to LED bulbs.

Could somebody shoot a tranquilizer dart into my neck, please?

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#145826 Dec 30, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know how the rest of know you are clutching at straws? You post inane personal remarks which have nothing to do with the topic.

You know, I think you were dropped on your head when you were a kid....repeatedly.
And on purpose.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145827 Dec 30, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>No I'm not; I have in my own way mentioned that it is by belief, supported by evidence, but here is a bit taken from a different perspective;

*** Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day.

At the end of the Flood, after thick sequences of sediments had accumulated, the Indian subcontinent evidently collided with Asia, crumpling the sediments into mountains. Today they stand as giants—folded and fractured layers of ocean-bottom sediments at high elevations. No, Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them!

Thus we find the Biblical account not only possible, but also supported by the evidence. A pre-Flood world with lessened topographic extremes could have been covered by the Great Flood. That Flood caused today's high mountains and deep oceans making such a flood impossible to repeat. This is just as God promised, back in Genesis.

http://www.icr.org/article/520/ ***

One cannot definitely say that the only living things to survive were in the Ark, because recall we are talking of Scribe's writings way before travel as we know it, was even a twinkle in someone's eye. It is not just a guess that there would be fossils high in the mountains; it was not a guess of Matthew's to tell us the very hairs on our head are numbered; they are indeed to be taken as we find them.

The Bible swims with time, and whether you know it or not, more has been proven wrong about science than has been proved wrong about the Bible.... because what couldn't be true then, as such, in many eyes, has since happened so we have 'modern day Scribes' proving their points.

The Numbers support the Bible....
Wow.

Your education, if you had one, has failed you miserably.

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#145828 Dec 30, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
Brilliant!
Topix should upgrade to LED bulbs.
Could somebody shoot a tranquilizer dart into my neck, please?
Gun free zone.

No shooting.

I'd be happy to stab you with one but sometimes I get carried away and that would mean getting really close to a homosexual and who knows what that might lead to. Have you had your gay immunizations? One never knows.

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