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# Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#145567 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"At that rate there was 150 tons per second of rain falling on the decks of Noah's ark"
You're implying that there was 150 tons of water falling per second around the world to make up the height of Mt Everest in 40 days & nights.
Somehow you think that all the rainclouds were only above the ark, not around the world....
So which is is? Was there 150 tons of water falling for 40 days & 40 nights or not?
No, seriously are you that stupid? Is English a second language for you or are you in the second grade?

I will spell it out and type sslloowwllyy for you:-

Data:-
Mt Everest
H= 29029ft
= 29029 x 12
= 348348 inc

Time 40 days and nights
t= 40 days
There are 60 mins in an hour
therefor
t= 40 x 60
= 57600 mins

hence the average rain fall rate around the world on the surface of the ground is:-
Rf = 348348/57600
= 6.04771 inc/min

thus the rain falling on the decks was falling at the rate of:-
= 6.04771 inc/min

Please note that I do not say all the rain required to flood the world fell on the Ark.

However I made a mistake in remembering the mass rate on the decks (I did the original calculations over 12 months ago) it is in fact:-

Mr = 484tonnes per min.

Notwithstanding that the standing water on the decks remains the same.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145568 Dec 28, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain it to buck.
You two should get along splendently.
Splendidly...

Bleh...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#145569 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"At that rate there was 150 tons per second of rain falling on the decks of Noah's ark"
You're implying that there was 150 tons of water falling per second around the world to make up the height of Mt Everest in 40 days & nights.
Somehow you think that all the rainclouds were only above the ark, not around the world....
So which is is? Was there 150 tons of water falling for 40 days & 40 nights or not?
You dolt.

That was the rate of rainfall over the whole planet.

Since the ark was supposedly ON the planet, it was receiving that much rainfall.

If it was ANYWHERE on the planet, it was under that much rainfall.

Since: Sep 10

#145570 Dec 28, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
To say that God didnt create the heavens and the earth.
That's not a sentence, Eagle.

Look at it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#145571 Dec 28, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
To say that God didnt create the heavens and the earth. Is like saying Beethoven didnt compose any of his renown pieces.
Im not a music person my good Doctor. But I know a great Symphony piece must be composed. Beethoven is gone but the evidence of his work remains. The work of others like Gershwin are also remains.
Yet when it comes to the cosmos you give no credit to its creator. I would say one of the great injustices to artist and composers. Would be to deny them credit for their creation.
You will say God is not real. But his work is on display for the world to see and enjoy. Great works just dont happen. Theyre created by masterful composers.
You have no evidence that Beethoven existed!

His works were stolen from....

....uh

.....Pagans!

derpy athitards

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#145572 Dec 28, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
You dolt.
That was the rate of rainfall over the whole planet.
Since the ark was supposedly ON the planet, it was receiving that much rainfall.
If it was ANYWHERE on the planet, it was under that much rainfall.
I have come across doorstops with higher IQs.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#145573 Dec 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct, christians do not believe anything is a myth, except reality. But you do believe that myths are real. Unless you have some actual evidence and not just more assertions.
Christians believe reality is a myth?

You've really got yourself convinced of that, huh?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#145574 Dec 28, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
No, seriously are you that stupid? Is English a second language for you or are you in the second grade?
I will spell it out and type sslloowwllyy for you:-
Data:-
Mt Everest
H= 29029ft
= 29029 x 12
= 348348 inc
Time 40 days and nights
t= 40 days
There are 60 mins in an hour
therefor
t= 40 x 60
= 57600 mins
hence the average rain fall rate around the world on the surface of the ground is:-
Rf = 348348/57600
= 6.04771 inc/min
thus the rain falling on the decks was falling at the rate of:-
= 6.04771 inc/min
Please note that I do not say all the rain required to flood the world fell on the Ark.
However I made a mistake in remembering the mass rate on the decks (I did the original calculations over 12 months ago) it is in fact:-
Mr = 484tonnes per min.
Notwithstanding that the standing water on the decks remains the same.
Try it again, this time where the flood took place, near Mt Ararat, 16,000 ft I think.

Also, don't assume that was a natural event. Remember "the floodgates of the heavens opened".....

Also keep in mind that I don't believe the whole world was covered in water. I think it's a symbolic narrative describing the cleansing of humanity through The Lord.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#145575 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians believe reality is a myth?
You've really got yourself convinced of that, huh?
Then where is evidence to support any of the claims made by your bible?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#145576 Dec 28, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Favourite creationist quote:
"I DIN COME FROM NO MOKEYYSS!! PRAISE JEBUS!"
Here's the pic you were looking for: http://www.google.com/imgres...

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#145577 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Try it again, this time where the flood took place, near Mt Ararat, 16,000 ft I think.
Also, don't assume that was a natural event. Remember "the floodgates of the heavens opened".....
Also keep in mind that I don't believe the whole world was covered in water. I think it's a symbolic narrative describing the cleansing of humanity through The Lord.
The story of Noah is about as real as the Epic of Gilgamesh

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#145578 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Try it again, this time where the flood took place, near Mt Ararat, 16,000 ft I think.
Also, don't assume that was a natural event. Remember "the floodgates of the heavens opened".....
Also keep in mind that I don't believe the whole world was covered in water. I think it's a symbolic narrative describing the cleansing of humanity through The Lord.
Now that you have realized your mistake you are trying shift the goal posts how very godbot of you.

1. It was supposedly a global flood.
2. You don't know the bibull very well.

Aren't you embarrassed that we atheists know the bibull better than you?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#145580 Dec 28, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientists update their knowledge according to new evidence and findings.
Meanwhile creationists still believe the earth is 6000 years old and don't want to become more intelligent or knowledgeable about the world or nature.
I suppose its because you don't have any respect for the hard work and curiosity of scientists.
Thank GOD they do....

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Sadly though, it takes a long time for the government to make them takes these additives out of our foods ~ but not sad for the scientists, they get to give us more drugs to cure the damage they have done!!

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#145581 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Try it again, this time where the flood took place, near Mt Ararat, 16,000 ft I think.
Also, don't assume that was a natural event. Remember "the floodgates of the heavens opened".....
Also keep in mind that I don't believe the whole world was covered in water. I think it's a symbolic narrative describing the cleansing of humanity through The Lord.
As a rule I don't respond to the same post twice but I will make an exception here:-

If as as you say:-
"the floodgates of the heavens opened"
which by the way means heaven must be water logged.

Then where did all the water go? The bath plug to hell? Please tell us where this bath plug is.

FYI "the floodgates of the heavens opened" comes from Malachi 3:10 which has nothing to do with the flood so please try and stay on track and stop making it up as you go.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#145582 Dec 28, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
The only agenda of science is to increase human understanding.
The only agenda of creationism is to lie about human understanding.
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Once upon a time, our diet was science free.....

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#145583 Dec 28, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Now that you have realized your mistake you are trying shift the goal posts how very godbot of you.
1. It was supposedly a global flood.
2. You don't know the bibull very well.
Aren't you embarrassed that we atheists know the bibull better than you?
You can't even spell it, let alone know it LOL.

You don't believe in it, but nit pick about there being a global flood. There is much evidence (that you believe in most times) that there are fossils of ocean dwelling inhabitants of all types high up mountain sides, supporting global flooding, to a degree.

It is your imagination that takes the degree to whatever level it is that you are satisfied with to disprove history and evidence. Are you embarrassed about your inability to spell simple words? If you are doing it on purpose, aren't you embarrassed at your lack of social skills?

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“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#145584 Dec 28, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Thank GOD they do....
The Worst Additives [in alphabetical order]
20 Jun 2000  So many references are made to the following additives that they need ... As the additive causes cancer in animals, it is likely to also cause ...
Food Additives ~ CSPI's Food Safety
www.cspinet.org/reports/chemcuisine.htm
Two rat studies suggest that the additive might cause cancer. It was for those reasons that in 1996 the Center for Science in the Public Interest urged the FDA to ...
18 Jan 2012  You'll see that a majority are linked to cancer in animals. Yes, I know you're not a lab rat, but when an additive causes cancer in animals, it may ...
www.sixwise.com  Newsletters  2006  April  5
5 Apr 2006  With any processed food you run the risk of coming across additives, and ... additives have been found by some studies to cause cancer in rats.
Tests show that the additive causes cancer in animals, which means it may increase cancer in humans. Avoid acesulfame K and products containing it....
E211 additive switches off parts of DNA « Ant's Roots
28 May 2007  This weekend The Independent newspaper reported on a recent soft drinks research, which reveals some brands may cause serious health ...
Chemical in soft drinks 'can wreck your child's DNA'| Mail Online
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Chemical-soft-drinks-... ...
28 May 2007  Research shows that E211 - found in drinks such as Fanta and Pepsi Max - can switch off vital parts of DNA, causing serious damage to cells....
Sadly though, it takes a long time for the government to make them takes these additives out of our foods ~ but not sad for the scientists, they get to give us more drugs to cure the damage they have done!!
Now that you have shown that we scientists make mistakes and correct them where are the corrections to the bibull?

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#145585 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no evidence that Beethoven existed!
His works were stolen from....
....uh
.....Pagans!
derpy athitards
:)

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#145586 Dec 28, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Except that we know Beethoven existed.

So you claim.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#145587 Dec 28, 2012
Anytime theres heavy rain there is going to be flooding.
Heavy Rain = Flooding, thats not too hard to understand. However because it is recorded in the Bible. Atheist think it is a joke.

Atheist think its crazy that there was a first, Flood Control Commission. With the very first appointed Chairman.

That chairman was instructed in disaster planning and preparedness. He took his job very serious and he went to work preparing for the worlds first massive flood.

Despite the cynicism coming from our dearly beloved Atheist. There was indeed a first massive flood. In fact the bible actually records the average depth.

Perhaps it snowed in higher elevations. But only the base of mountains flooded. One must also consider that in a mountain range there are gullies and deep trenches where the water was much deeper.

Questions abound if this was a local flood or a global flood. Local flooding can encompass millions of square miles. Not just a couple city blocks. The world of human kind, as they knew it, flooded. Only those who took the Flood Control Commission serious was saved.

Not much has changed. We still have people building their dream homes on or near rivers, lakes and oceans. When massive rains and storms come. Those home flood, many are washed away from their foundations.

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