Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Dec 14, 2012
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
We have cracked down quite a bit on gun laws. Go to any US gun shop and they will act like they are outlawed or will be next week. It's a sticky situation with no easy answers.
I myself was in a situation in So.Cal where if I didn't have a gun I would have had my car stolen and myself and my lady friend hurt badly if we were lucky and not dead. Instead I fired a few warning shots, said how many of you want to die tonight? And they ran. There was at least 6 of them and there was no talking or reasoning.
I am grateful I didn't have to use it.
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We should all have guns to protect ourselves from evil sick people, who are going to try to hurt you with a gun or with something else.

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River Tam wrote:
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The only point he has is the one on his head.
My wittle boi missed his River, yes he DEEid.
OMG, I didn't know that was him, if I did, I wouldn't have spoken to him.
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Clementia wrote:
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I know people like that.
I do think that sexual behaviour should be controlled whether you are gay or not.
It's not their fault if someone feels attracted to their own sex, it can't be a sin.
There is no such thing and SIN. It's a made up religious word. A sin is when you refuse to obey the laws of that particular club. If I murder someone it's not a SIN, I have committed a crime against humanity, against the society I live in. I have failed to follow the laws of that society, and should be punished accordingly. Having homosexual desires is a natural occurrence in some people, they have no control over these tendencies, to fight them is unnatural. People who are gay have no more control over that than being white, or black, male or female.

Of course being Gay can't be a sin, their God appears to fully approve of those tendencies. He instilled it in almost every species found on the planet. If God created all living things, and many of these living things display same sex tendencies, then it is God who instilled these traits, how can it then be a sin?
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Laconic Assassins wrote:
<quoted text>Yes you do. Its name is satan. It chose you and it gets to be your daddy until you choose God.
I think I'll stick with Satan. He has a much better record than your demon God. According to the bible your God is responsible for well over 1 million deaths. Satan on the other hand, according to the bible, killed only TWO, Job's two sons, and that was only after God allowed him to. So those two death should go on God's side of the ledger. Satan is also NOT a baby killer, and a fetus destroyer. Satan looks more and more like the better option, yes?

Laughing now, of course any intelligent human KNOWS that both of these beings are strictly imaginary, but it's fun to toss them about, especially with the remarkably gullible.

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blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>There is no such thing and SIN. It's a made up religious word. A sin is when you refuse to obey the laws of that particular club. If I murder someone it's not a SIN, I have committed a crime against humanity, against the society I live in. I have failed to follow the laws of that society, and should be punished accordingly. Having homosexual desires is a natural occurrence in some people, they have no control over these tendencies, to fight them is unnatural. People who are gay have no more control over that than being white, or black, male or female.
Of course being Gay can't be a sin, their God appears to fully approve of those tendencies. He instilled it in almost every species found on the planet. If God created all living things, and many of these living things display same sex tendencies, then it is God who instilled these traits, how can it then be a sin?
I didn't mean that they should control themselves and not be gay, I meant gay/straight/bi/other should learn to control sexual desire.

"I have failed to follow the laws of that society, and should be punished accordingly."

But in some societies killing is not against their law, so is killing right then? Killing is a 'sin', it's wrong no matter what society you are from.

That's what we say if God created everyone/thing how could he have created something bad? He created the 'devil', my God is merciful and perfect so how can I hate the 'devil'? How could my God make a mistake? He can't!!
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Clementia wrote:
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I don't get your point! What's that got to do with vain thing?
I know it's completely off topic, but now and again I hear people referring to the chav problem in the U. K., and I'd like your opinion since you obviously live there. Is it real or mere exaggeration? Thank you.

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Anon wrote:
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I know it's completely off topic, but now and again I hear people referring to the chav problem in the U. K., and I'd like your opinion since you obviously live there. Is it real or mere exaggeration? Thank you.
You mean the one's that go, "yo, yo, init man, ya feelin' me bro"?

lol, I try to stay away from them, they scare me.

It's real, but it depends were you live, init, lol.

Why you ask? You want to move here?

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Clementia wrote:
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I didn't mean that they should control themselves and not be gay, I meant gay/straight/bi/other should learn to control sexual desire.
"I have failed to follow the laws of that society, and should be punished accordingly."
But in some societies killing is not against their law, so is killing right then? Killing is a 'sin', it's wrong no matter what society you are from.
That's what we say if God created everyone/thing how could he have created something bad? He created the 'devil', my God is merciful and perfect so how can I hate the 'devil'? How could my God make a mistake? He can't!!
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But in some societies killing is not against their law, so is killing right then? Killing is a 'sin', it's wrong no matter what society you are from.
Define killing. Is it only a sin to kill humans? Do you have any idea how many sentient beings are slaughtered each day for profit?
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Clementia wrote:
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You mean the one's that go, "yo, yo, init man, ya feelin' me bro"?
lol, I try to stay away from them, they scare me.
It's real, but it depends were you live, init, lol.
Why you ask? You want to move here?
Yes, that would definitely be them, and no, I'm not considering moving there, but I am hoping to visit someday. Just wondered how large a problem they actually are. Your description seems to indicate they're more of a localized problem as opposed to a widespread concern. Thank you for answering.

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Define killing. Is it only a sin to kill humans? Do you have any idea how many sentient beings are slaughtered each day for profit?
I don't know.

No, killing a human (good or bad), animal or plant are all wrong. We even kill germs.

I'm a vegetarian, I know.

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Anon wrote:
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Yes, that would definitely be them, and no, I'm not considering moving there, but I am hoping to visit someday. Just wondered how large a problem they actually are. Your description seems to indicate they're more of a localized problem as opposed to a widespread concern. Thank you for answering.
yh, if you are going to stick around with educated people and visit the nice areas then you won't even see any. If you do, you don't have to associate with them! It's nothing to worry about!

Oh, there are lots of atheists here, you'll love it!:-)

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UIDIOTRCEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>wRONG Again warmongering scum Ah0le don't work at low wage Retail establishment... you Simpleton class war mongering pinhead! not hating you peebrain of warring bullying scum, you ruining our Food Chain and fungible water, u detroying America and world with your evil war/oil for profiteering, ruining US dollar financially , you ruining Ecosystem - you polluting Ecosystem with toxicity as Agriculture land can be returned to former use as posioned fuits and veggies , and u killing human race with you dirty filthy blood war machines .... All you warring scums should eat oil and Drink oil for rest of you life, and your generation to come will be cursed for what you did to world and America, you filthy of Schdit-for-pee-brain are lowest of low on plane of humanity, bully others as seen on here thread. Curse you and your war mongers (FOR-ever and Ever infinitum!) and War/oil-for-profiteers who ruining world and AMericans ! Up yours big bully of warmongering animal,warring scumBuckets! WBHAHHHAAAaaaaA
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.....Von ding fer shure.....

..You just cannot afford a Christmas turkey, let alone da trimmings.

Ps:....You are one envious, jealous, hateful, hypocritical, hAtheist schidt=for-brains.

.....as ALL posters can see....even yer hAtheist buddy ILK.

Now, go and fester, ya 'pusHead'.

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Dec 14, 2012
 
Thinking wrote:
bob nob gobbler types like Spike the cartoon dog's scriptwriter. With Alzheimer's.
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15Dec12.....

....and yer 'still' readingUp ALL BobLoblah's postings, ain't ya, ya LIAR.

Ps:.....Read'em and weep ya dementiated eeejit.

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I didn't mean that they should control themselves and not be gay, I meant gay/straight/bi/other should learn to control sexual desire.
"I have failed to follow the laws of that society, and should be punished accordingly."
But in some societies killing is not against their law, so is killing right then? Killing is a 'sin', it's wrong no matter what society you are from.
That's what we say if God created everyone/thing how could he have created something bad? He created the 'devil', my God is merciful and perfect so how can I hate the 'devil'? How could my God make a mistake? He can't!!
Most civilized people Do control their sexual desires.

Killing another man being will always be wrong, not a SIN. SIN, once again, is a religious word made up to conform to their idea of Good and Evil. Killing is against the laws of humanity, the act of killing another has NOTHING to do with religion. Evolution has ingrained in us the importance of cooperation with one another, or caring and compassion, and of kindness. If I am kind to another, I have cultivated a feeling of trust that will hopefully be afforded to me. We don't need religion to tell us that killing another human being is terrible wrong. The GOLDEN RULE is much more useful than religious edicts. "Don't do to someone as you would not want done to you." No God involved and no SIN. Why is it so hard for you people to understand that we can all be kind, careering, and compassionate, without a belief in an imaginary God thing?

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

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Clementia wrote:
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I don't know.
No, killing a human (good or bad), animal or plant are all wrong. We even kill germs.
I'm a vegetarian, I know.
It isn't fair.

I hope that we can someday synthesize all kinds of food using only basic elemental ingredients.

If we can't stop killing humans though, how are we going to stop killing other things?

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Define killing. Is it only a sin to kill humans? Do you have any idea how many sentient beings are slaughtered each day for profit?
15Dec12.....

.....and exactly WHY do you as an hAtheist believe in 'Sin'!!!

Ps:....According to you and your ILK, you're not going anwheres when you suck in your last breath anyways. Right!!!

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And thank you JESUS for caring

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Dec 14, 2012
 
River Tam wrote:
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Colour is chemistry. So is sight.
If a blind person touches a rose bush they may never do it again, depending on where they touch it. But it smells good, right?
We can't call everything by one word can we? You used touch and smell ~ perfect examples of naming things... like naming colours :)

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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It isn't fair.
I hope that we can someday synthesize all kinds of food using only basic elemental ingredients.
If we can't stop killing humans though, how are we going to stop killing other things?
15Dec12.....

.....SomeDay humans will eat humans.

The football team whose plane crashed in the Andes some years ago, survived by eating the dead. You otta read da book 'Alive'.

Ps:....BobLoblah can see two people now sitting around a 'roasted' human on da spit and one of dem sayin'....."I don't know about you, but I'm having a ball".

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blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Most civilized people Do control their sexual desires.
Killing another man being will always be wrong, not a SIN. SIN, once again, is a religious word made up to conform to their idea of Good and Evil. Killing is against the laws of humanity, the act of killing another has NOTHING to do with religion. Evolution has ingrained in us the importance of cooperation with one another, or caring and compassion, and of kindness. If I am kind to another, I have cultivated a feeling of trust that will hopefully be afforded to me. We don't need religion to tell us that killing another human being is terrible wrong. The GOLDEN RULE is much more useful than religious edicts. "Don't do to someone as you would not want done to you." No God involved and no SIN. Why is it so hard for you people to understand that we can all be kind, careering, and compassionate, without a belief in an imaginary God thing?
But my mummy and religion taught me "Don't do to someone as you would not want done to you." My religion was written by honest, loving people who wanted to live in peace with everyone. If believing in God helped them become good humans and i'm trying to follow thier teachings, what's so wrong?

Here Kabeer is asking hindus and muslims a question, If we all belong to one God then what's the fight all about?

We don't know if God created light first that's just an example kabeer is using. Kabeer was a very nice person, all the saints in my religion were, they saw God, even in evil people, what's so wrong? They tried to help humans, animals and even plants by teaching us to eat less, what's so wrong if my belief makes you a better person??

Prabhaatee:

First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.
From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad?||1||
O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt.
The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places.||1||Pause||
The clay is the same, but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways.
There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay - there is nothing wrong with the Potter.||2||
Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command, knows the One Lord. He alone is said to be the Lord's slave.||3||
The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen. The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses.
Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere.||4||3||

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