Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#143125 Dec 12, 2012
WalterJ wrote:
If there would no God than Where we come? Automatically?
Every creation must have a creator, nothing can be create without creator... So there is One behind our presence in the universe.. And this One create whole universe. If it would One more creator than there must be different but what is be seen? An Perfect ecological balance in whole universe...
So every creation MUST have a creator? Nothing can be created without a creator? Then who created the creator?

“Ditat Deus”

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#143126 Dec 12, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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What belief system?
The belief system based on the belief that there is no God.

“Ditat Deus”

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#143127 Dec 12, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Can you produce anything from this "belief system"?
If it's only one belief, it's not a system.
So, what else is part of the system?
Did you just make it up?
What is that belief system called, and do yo know of anyone that follows it?
Besides that, we've told you before, again and again, basic atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
No valid definition of atheism invokes the name of any specific deity.
It's much more than one belief....

Atheists believe in a lot of things, they're just too afraid to admit it. Or maybe they're to egotistical.

“Ditat Deus”

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#143128 Dec 12, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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If standing still is dancing, if baldness is a hair color, if not collecting stamps is a hobby...
Atheism is more like calling bald is a hair style.

It is.....

“Ditat Deus”

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#143129 Dec 12, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>There is NO interpretation of your classless comments on post #142946. Under any decent social environment they would be considered rude, classless, and grotesque. Although it's probably acceptable amongst your hillbilly friends, here in the civilized part of the country you would be looked on with revulsion and pity.
What is a "decent social environment"? There's no one single definition for it. It's relative.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#143130 Dec 12, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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But you know, and I know, that that is not what motivates most people to Christianity.
Youo "know" that? Are you ignoring all the recent, and many more older, cases of parents allowing their children to suffer because "prayer works?" How many people, who are not sadistic, can watch their own children suffer curable illnesses?

What of the people who killed others in the name of that same "god?" Many of them thought they were "Jesus reincarnated" or some such insanity. If the religion was not so sadistic, do you think they'd have used such and excuse to avoid detection while recruiting others to help them out?

Then the more damning of all events of the modern era, do you know how George Bush convinced a lot of people to attack Iraq? He claimed his god told him to, on national television. No one but atheists said anything about it, no one.

“Ditat Deus”

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#143131 Dec 12, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>There is NO argument to be had, there probably is no God. And thats the polite rendition, I like this one better. Due to the complete and utter lack of evidence there simply is no God. Or.........The evidence for God is the same as there is for werewolves.
Sure, but you don't see Dick Dawkins promoting an anti-werewolf ad, do you..........

“Ditat Deus”

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#143132 Dec 12, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>A term of opprobrium.
In context, "eff-up".
Although the term actually refers to the male reproductive coupling gear.
Thanks, ole chap.

I'm not too good at English English.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#143133 Dec 12, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>12Dec12.....
.....and jest how could such a lovely 'bovine' produce such an ugly Cow as you!!!!
Ps:....Yer jest an 'udder' piece of schidt-for-brains.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
You're my father, you tell me.

“Ditat Deus”

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#143134 Dec 12, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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They wouldn't be a part of atheism, so theists could have them as well. Atheism is simply the category of people who do not have religious beliefs. Whatever else defines those people is separate from atheism.
Theism is a category, not a belief system. A theist has a belief in at least one god. An atheist has no beliefs in any gods. Theism and atheism cannot be belief systems. They lack the necessary definition to be called a system, and atheism lacks the belief part also.
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Rejecting a belief is not in itself a belief. I don't need to posit an alternative to religious claims. Atheism is the state of not adopting religious beliefs.
I think religion is harmful. That means I'm anti-theistic. I'm more free to be anti-theistic than theists are, but theists can also be anti-theistic. If you agree that religion is often harmful, you are also, to some degree, anti-theistic. These motivations or opinions do not come from having religious beliefs or not having them. They come from observation, reasoning, and empathy.
We can differentiate beliefs into categories. I haven't got any faith based beliefs at all. Faith based beliefs are very different from beliefs/opinions/conclusions derived in other manners. In a discussion about belief, where the religious and non religious are both involved, the difference must be constantly pointed out. It's really a failing in language that the word "belief" can be used to describe very different ideas.
Theism has belief systems but atheism doesn't?

How convenient.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#143135 Dec 12, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So every creation MUST have a creator? Nothing can be created without a creator? Then who created the creator?
The super Devil did.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#143136 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Sure, but you don't see Dick Dawkins promoting an anti-werewolf ad, do you..........
How many werewolf believers are trying to make carrying silver illegal?

“Ditat Deus”

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#143137 Dec 12, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
A Christian is one who believes in and worships Jesus and his teachings.
Repeatedly you have said Catholics are not Christians therefore you are indeed saying Catholics do not believe in Jesus, no matter how much you beat and scream
So come on coward tell us what church you align yourself with, it's obviously a wacky anti Catholic Church one. Why are you so ashamed of your branch of Christianity? Sheesh what a coward.
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You're just not getting it.

I don't think I can help you.

Catholics are Christians like white people are Americans.

They have a different belief system, different bible, different way of practicing their religion, etc.

Catholics are a member of Christianity, but they are by no means Christian.

(which is why they're called "Catholics")

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#143138 Dec 12, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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What belief system?
The belief system which follows the line of thought which indicates that there is no God.

Everyone believes what they believe because they have had certain experiences that lead them to believe that way.(or a lack of certain experiences) An individual's belief that there is no god is supported by a system of interconnected underlying data and thoughts collected by the individual to support that assertion.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#143139 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's much more than one belief
Actually it's much LESS than one belief. But I realize that this idea is too difficult for a theist to comprehend.

So tell me, how many beliefs do all theists have in common?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Atheists believe in a lot of things, they're just too afraid to admit it. Or maybe they're to egotistical.
Right...so atheism is the arrogant belief that the entire universe with its billions of galaxies was not created for us.

“Ditat Deus”

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#143140 Dec 12, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>12Dec12.....
.....and what's a 'Redneck'!!!!!!!!.Define RedNeck.
..Sounds like you are a Redneck with its brains kicked Out.
Ps:.....Does it have anything to do with being member of a 'Racist' club like you???
.....Have you ever gone 'down' to a section of town where 'you' can identify Rednecks (BobLoblah is sure dat you know one ven you see one ..... you being one)....just don't have the guts to getUP in front of Rednecks and call Rednecks....'hey Rednecks'.
...An hAtheist is a Redneck with its brains kicked Out....a schidt-for-brains like YOU, ya 'Racist'.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Redneck doesn't mean racist, Bobolah!

Rednecks are good folks. Sure, we got shotguns in our trucks, but we're good people.
enquirer mind

Des Plaines, IL

#143141 Dec 12, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You're my father, you tell me.
May I suggest you up your hormone shots cause you are still a tadd too manly. Your welcome.

Since: Sep 12

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#143142 Dec 12, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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So that they can make the world a better place!
How do you feel that would make it a better place?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#143143 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Theism has belief systems but atheism doesn't?
How convenient.
You are replying to a posts which says, and I QUOTE -- "... Theism and atheism cannot be belief systems....."

“Ditat Deus”

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#143144 Dec 12, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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And what's included in that "system" other than the "belief" that there is no god?
The belief that you're right.

The belief that the bible is all lies.

The belief that religious people are stupid.

The belief that life created itself.

The belief that prayer is all in your mind.

The belief that Jesus never existed.

The belief that Moses never existed.

The belief that Paul never existed.

The belief that God isn't omnipresent.

(funny one) The belief that God causes bad things to happen or doesn't prevent them from happening.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

That's your belief system.

If you could prove ANY of it, it becomes fact instead of belief.

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