Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#143241 Dec 12, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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If I can add a fact here, Boss continues to be, besides stupid as hell, nasty as sh*t.
Hey Boss that's not ad hominem: as I said, it's the fact.
Now get back to your bible.
On the stove sets a black pot with a lid and a black kettle.

The black pot calls the kettle,“You’re nothing but an cheap black kettle with no glass. You don’t even have a top.”

The Kettle looks surprised because the pot was black too. And also was cheap with no glass. Yes it’s true he didn’t have a pot head. But he didn’t need one.

So the moral of the story, pots and pot heads need to take a close look themselves before criticizing others.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#143242 Dec 12, 2012
Clementia wrote:
LOL, you could try getting bitten by a super spider? Then you can prove to me whether or not hollywood makes BS, lol.
I don't need Spidey Sense to tell you that Hollywood makes BS.
Clementia wrote:
But when did we ever need a religion telling everyone they're going to burn in hell?
It works pretty well as a scare tactic on the ignorant and superstitious, and also children. It backfires on the "enlightened". I would recommend that Christians drop the Hell belief if they want to continue indoctrinating Americans.
Clementia wrote:
I think first world countries are just as evil, but they are evil in a sophisticated way.
I agree, but we are talking about the world that exists now. We are, for the most part, moving forward. Third world countries need to get to first world country status in order to progress even further.

Right now, I would suggest that the best way for first world countries to progress, would be to help other countries get where they are. Eliminating the very basic deficiencies in the world should be a priority.
Clementia wrote:
I'm tryin', I'm tryin', hold your horses!
"If you are listening to this, you ARE the Resistance."

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#143243 Dec 12, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>Christianity is converting sikhs too!, well praise God!!:)
Islam is already petrified by how many muslims are coming to Christ, good to see we are making inroads with your religion too.
To me it seems you're causing your anger to make you reject Jesus.
What do you gain from that? You will only die angry then the judgment. That's not healthy.
Oh God, I'm not angry!! My religion doesn't believe in converting people, I told you that you are welcome to those sikhs, my religion and I have no problem, we don't bloody care! My belief is my belief, yours is yours, stop forcing it on people. I don't think like you christians/muslims my mind is at peace.

Do you know when the khalsa was chosen by my 10th guru didn't say come and convert and be khalsa and go to heaven, they said God wants sacrifice, give your head to God if you truly believe in your God. Out of 50,000 or so sikhs only 5 got up to give their head to God. The guru didn't kill them instead he baptised them and took baptism from them and said these are the true believers in God.

Guru/God doesn't want the sheep, other religions can have them, we want the pure one's that will die for their faith, not the cowards. When death comes I hope God gives me the strength to accept my destiny. If my God wants me to go to hell then so be it!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#143244 Dec 12, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>But you believe the bible when it said Jesus says to love your enemies right?, or to help the poor and widow?
No, I only believe that coz my religion says love your enemies, help the poor and the widows even if they belong to another religion! "recognise the human species as one"-GGS.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#143245 Dec 12, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I don't need Spidey Sense to tell you that Hollywood makes BS.
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It works pretty well as a scare tactic on the ignorant and superstitious, and also children. It backfires on the "enlightened". I would recommend that Christians drop the Hell belief if they want to continue indoctrinating Americans.
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I agree, but we are talking about the world that exists now. We are, for the most part, moving forward. Third world countries need to get to first world country status in order to progress even further.
Right now, I would suggest that the best way for first world countries to progress, would be to help other countries get where they are. Eliminating the very basic deficiencies in the world should be a priority.
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"If you are listening to this, you ARE the Resistance."
NOOO, I thought it could happen, damn u hollywood u tricked me!

This hell thing is not good for kids, they use it to brainwash their lickle heads and it's difficult to get out once it's in.

Countries do shit all, it's always brave but fed up individuals that end up taking stuff into their own hands.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#143246 Dec 12, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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NOOO, I thought it could happen, damn u hollywood u tricked me!
This hell thing is not good for kids, they use it to brainwash their lickle heads and it's difficult to get out once it's in.
Countries do shit all, it's always brave but fed up individuals that end up taking stuff into their own hands.
You're smart.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#143247 Dec 12, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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You're smart.
yh, you keep sayin' it and i might just believe it.:-)

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#143248 Dec 12, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>Thing is, its obvious to everyone, that they have a religion. They just feel secure deluding themselves that can prove they don't have a religion :)
With the gays, it does not matter how much they throw up gay rights and gay marriage..their lifestyle is still a sin. Sodomy is a sin.
And they may get the victory of gay marriage. But let me see them try and convince people that its not a sin.
Gays must face God. And it does not matter if they don't believe God exist. What they believe has no relevance on the existence of God. And they will have to give an account for their lifetime of practicing Sodomy.
Let God deal with them. That's why they will fight to the death mentally to make themselves believe "No God". Because if mentally they can delude themselves into thinking "No God", then they can satisfy their conscience that there will no consequence for their Sodomy.
Any Christian worth that title...knows exactly what is going on.
lol
UidiotRACEMAkeWO RLDPEACE

United States

#143249 Dec 12, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>Don't blame the messenger. Blame the originator of the message:
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life maimed, rather than having thy two hands to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire;
Mar 9:44 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:45 And if thy foot cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life halt, rather than having thy two feet to be cast into hell;
Mar 9:46 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:47 And if thine eye cause thee to stumble, cast it out: it is good for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell;
Mar 9:48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
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I point you to Jesus Christ.
You obviously have a problem with hell, take it up with Jesus.
Or is it rather convenient...those verses are part of the bible, you don't believe?
Rather convenient eh?
Your mad-man made religion , quench evil by use of fire, are you by chance pyromaniac? During the the Salem Trail for wicthcraft, not proven until but alot of innocents people where burned to death without fair trail to prove their innocences in a court of law... wow what a ugly nutty religion. Till today you xtain US fundies still killed many people around the globe ,and still waging wars worldwide
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#143250 Dec 12, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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You are entitled to you opinion Doctor. I’m not trying to take that away. But we in the topix community need to understand you’re not a scientist nor have a degree in science. Your degree is in the arts.
His degree is in the sciences so his opinion is worthy of consideration when it comes to science. Your profession is in the arts so if you make a statement about music composition or musicality that needs to be seriously considered because of your experience and education, right? Well the same goes for him.
You don’t see him on TBN or in religious circles. He is a internationally respected scientist. You are not that far from him Doctor. Go take a short ride and have coffee with him and talk about it. You know Doctors talking to Doctors, man to man.
You don't have to be a scientist to know how science works, no more than you don't have to be a trained musician to know and understand how music works. A simple music appreciate class is sufficient to understand even complex music, I teach them all the time.

When someone makes such an astonishingly stupid observation as a mile high glacier melting and causing a global flood, one of two things is possible. Either someone has taken an article he has written and twisted it to accommodate this mythical flood, or the man is an idiot, there is no third choice. A mile high glacier would be 2842 miles long, from CT to the North Pole. Forget about his credentials, just how long do you think it would take to melt this 2342 miles of mile high ice to melt? A rough estimate will be fine. Second question, do you really think Noah lived during the Pliocene era some 20 million years ago, because thats approximately when the polar ice spread down into North America?

In order to accept his premiss both these questions have to be answered. You don't need to know anything about science to realize how long that much ice would take to melt. Nor do you have to be a scientist to know anything about the Pliocene era and the ice age.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#143251 Dec 12, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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If an wooden airplane as big as a ship can fly, then the Ark could be built and float.
Catcher1 wrote:
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An wooden airplane?
Would you then say, "a ark?"
He came from a long line of wooden cigar Indians.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#143252 Dec 12, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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If you EVER produce ANY evidence that your particular deity is the right one AND all the others are NOT, I'll consider it.
Why would you ever consider going to me for evidence of a deity? I'm not a god and I'm not a spokesman for a god.

Why not go to the source? Only God can provide persuasive evidence that he exists to you. Don't look for convincing evidence, that is not effective, look for persuasive evidence.

The problem a lot of people have with getting evidence that God exists is that they do not understand the difference between persuasive and convincing evidence. Acquiring convincing evidence is not feasible because it would require that you look at all aspects of all religions and would take longer than a lifetime to accomplish. Acquiring persuasive evidence, however, tips the scale and allows an individual to form a basis for belief extending beyond the limitations of reasonable doubt.

How do you find persuasive evidence? You can "audit" the religions, first setting a level of "audit risk" or risk you are willing to take at coming to the wrong conclusion about a faith and then set your other risk levels (such as sampling risk, detection risk etc) accordingly to determine what constitutes a "material misstatement" by a religious faith and conduct your audit from there. Following this method would take a little less time than acquiring "convincing evidence" because you are sampling religions rather than analyzing the whole entity.

OR you can save yourself a big head ache and pray about it sincerely and see where that takes you.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#143253 Dec 12, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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We are all humans but we all have different personalities. I don't know if it's to do with nature or nurture, but we are different. The religious scriptures of India don't teach us to force our ideology on other people, but for some reason the Bible/Koran do and most followers of these religions think it's their duty to force their beliefs on others.
As one of those people who has gone door to door talking to people about religion, I want to let you know I wasn't trying to force my belief on any one.

I have found a faith that brings incredible happiness to my family and me, and so I want to share that happiness with others.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#143254 Dec 12, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Once again. This time wif feewing.
Not believing in something is not a belief system.
True! Not believing in ANYTHING is a belief in NOTHING, and nothing from nothing leaves nothing, which is the entire content of your soul.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#143255 Dec 12, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Eagle12 wrote:
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If an wooden airplane as big as a ship can fly, then the Ark could be built and float.
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He came from a long line of wooden cigar Indians.
I hesitate to call anybody an imbecile.

But with Eagle, I have a hard time restraining myself.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#143256 Dec 12, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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As one of those people who has gone door to door talking to people about religion, I want to let you know I wasn't trying to force my belief on any one.
I have found a faith that brings incredible happiness to my family and me, and so I want to share that happiness with others.
There is nothing wrong with faith as long as it is a positive motivator, some people need this. You have said it fulfills something in you . When we talk evidence however , scientifically
to qualify as such the criteria is clear.

Information that is acquired by observation or experimentation,
thus it has to be demonstrable , and repeatable to pass peer review. Sadly this is where evidence of religious nature falls short. So compelling evidence in a scientific manner would have to be verifiable. Hearsay is not evidence , neither are claims from a single source of reference.

This is why your faith is divorced from compelling evidence, as it does not require it. I'm afraid religion is built upon the fallacious and superstitious minds. This does not have to be a bad thing , we all need the gathering for certain unavoidable circumstance life and death brings.

But you will have to understand the nature of religion to truly understand the motivating factors of organized religion.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#143257 Dec 12, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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I hesitate to call anybody an imbecile.
But with Eagle, I have a hard time restraining myself.
[Tipping hat] My compliments.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#143258 Dec 12, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to be a scientist to know how science works, no more than you don't have to be a trained musician to know and understand how music works. A simple music appreciate class is sufficient to understand even complex music, I teach them all the time.
When someone makes such an astonishingly stupid observation as a mile high glacier melting and causing a global flood, one of two things is possible. Either someone has taken an article he has written and twisted it to accommodate this mythical flood, or the man is an idiot, there is no third choice. A mile high glacier would be 2842 miles long, from CT to the North Pole. Forget about his credentials, just how long do you think it would take to melt this 2342 miles of mile high ice to melt? A rough estimate will be fine. Second question, do you really think Noah lived during the Pliocene era some 20 million years ago, because thats approximately when the polar ice spread down into North America?
In order to accept his premiss both these questions have to be answered. You don't need to know anything about science to realize how long that much ice would take to melt. Nor do you have to be a scientist to know anything about the Pliocene era and the ice age.
I’m not an oceanographer or an expert on the ice age. I do know that ice and snow in North America can melt pretty damn fast. Causing widespread flooding all the way to the Gulf of Mexico.

When I lived in Arizona there were these deep canals that were nearly always dry. There would be signs saying,“Danger - Flash Flood Area.” At the time it looked like a joke because the canals were dry as a bone and this was the desert.

But at certain times of the year a wall of water comes rushing down the mountains. Like a dam break sort of speak. There’s no slow trickle of water or gradual increase in the water level in the canal. One minute the canals are bone dry. The next 10 seconds there is a massive wave of water moving down the canal.

It’s hard to understand when you haven’t seen that kind of water movement. It wouldn’t matter if you were a Olympic swimmer. The water would take you down. Lots of people have drowned in these canals because they don’t believe a flash flood can happen in seconds.

As water begins to melt it pools up in certain areas in the mountains. Ice and debris prevents the water from flowing down into the valley. Then the natural ice dam breaks and a wall of water come gushing down at a pretty rapid clip.

I said that to say there’s a lot you don’t know about ocean science Doctor. You may think you do but it’s not your field of discipline. Flooding doesn’t have to be from melting ice. A earthquake in the oceans can send a wall of water higher than a 10 story building. Japan knows something about that kind of energy. And it’s not a slow gradual flood. It happens in seconds.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#143259 Dec 12, 2012
Hard to believe that in today's day and age people would still believe that a sky wizard got angry at babies nursing and flooded the entire earth.
Eagle12 wrote:
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I’m not an oceanographer or an expert on anything.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#143260 Dec 13, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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How many werewolf believers are trying to make carrying silver illegal?
I think that carrying silver should be mandatory.

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